IS ISRAEL GOING TO ATTACK IRAN?

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yes, I am taking quotes out of online resources......difference is that at least I am referencing what I am stating........

and if u think that Iran got "slaughtered" by Iraq in the 80's then u put on display ur level of knowledge..........that 8 year battle fought by Iran in the face of Saddam cheer led by almost all the western countries remains symbol of strong defense and determination........do u watch a lot of FOX news?.......

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During the Iraq and Iranian war. Although officially stalemate the Iranians lost about 500,000-1000000 dead Compared to about 300,000 Iraqis dead. Economic cost into hundreds of billions. Point is Iran couldn't Iraq which is a lot smaller and borders Iran. Do you think Iran can hurt Israel with the US behind them?

I'm not American so I don't watch such channels.

All you're doing is arguing and being patriotic with fellow Muslims.

Your points are laughable. Even Saudi Arabia would allow Israel to use it's air space to attack Iran.

I've simplified everything for you.

Oh and references and quotes my friend don't get me started. For now I shall go to bed and view your points later in the day.

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well, u can carry on assessing the conflicts just thru the numbers.........Saddam's given reason for invading Iran was to capture the oil laden areas West of Iran on the borders of Iraq.......Saddam's allies, i.e. the Western countries, Israel, and Arabs wanted the fall of revolutionary government in Iran.............guess what?...........after the 8 years of war Saddam failed to get even an inch of Iranian territory....and this was despite unprecedented and unconditional support of USA, Israel, most of the Arabs and the other Western nations put together including access of Chemical and Biological weapons..........
The revolutionary regime also survived and despite terrorist bomb attacks against Iran such as the one in 1981 that killed more than 70 top level government personnel of Iran including then chief justice, cabinet ministers, and parliamentarians yet the regime not only survived the terror tactics but came out it all much stronger and surprised everybody by its resistance.........

To me if Bangladesh plays a whole 5 day test against the Aussies at WACA and manages to draw the test then it is akin to their victory and the defeat of the Australians in the hindsight regardless of how many runs were scored............oh well, we have different way of measuring success........

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It tallys with Asia Times … good find… :k:

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"Destroy their country from within". That's the point. If it can't sell its oil to anyone and if any dealing with its central bank are made illegal then it will destroy the country.
If Iran has no hopes of survival anyway then closing of strait will become an attractive choice.
Iran has not said that it will close the strait NOW.

It would be dumb to think that one can choke someone to death and yet the other person would keep smiling.

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Maybe they're sleeping with the zionists.
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Why are you bringing Saudis into this?

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Hence give up on Palestine and Baitul Maqdas.
Point well taken.

I also think that Iran should stop its opposition of Israel. This opposition has only brought Iran trouble. Besides, with all the consequences it is bearing for supporting Palestine, it still does not call shots there. So why continue this support?

Saudis don't like Israelis but when it comes to Iran, they would rather support Israel and allow their occupation. It is because they consider Iran a bigger enemy than Israel.
Iran should do the same. Arabs are already calling shots in Palestine conflict. So let Arabs take care of this problem. And let Iran concentrate on Saudi mischief-makers.

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maybe or maybe not.

as far capability concern, Israel does have it. They can easily knock out Iranian air defenses whenever they like :chai:

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I don't understand why Iran is against Israel?

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Islamic "khair-sagaali" regarding occupation of Baitul Maqdas.
But it has brought nothing but trouble for Iran from Americans and Israelis. And it has brought no respect or friendliness from any Gulf Arab states. Actually these Islamic countries are colluding with Americans and Israelis to teach Iran a lesson for standing up for Baitul Maqdas.
Plus Iran's support has ZERO effect on solution or liberation of Palestine.

So yeah, I also don't understand why Iran be the only one against Israel, especially if all other Muslim countries hate Iran championing Palestine cause.

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That is true. And that is true for ANY Muslim country.
This is why Baitul Maqdas is a lost cause.

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The reasons for invasion by Iraq is not of relevant importance. What I'm trying to explain is that Iranians suffered heavy casualties against an decently armed Iraqi army. Only difference is the Israeli have the best of technology and weapons. Iraq could only dream of the weapons Israel possesses. Whether is was right or wrong is another question but in terms of conflict Iran wouldn't survive a war. Also keep in mind Israeli nuclear weapons.

Don't get me wrong I don't support Israel. Personally, I think it's a terror state that consistently breaks international laws. I'm being practical here and basing it on what most consider general knowledge.

Muslims have an obligation to support each other. The issue here for me at least is Palestine is holy land to us Muslims. I'd ideally like to see a Palestinian state with East Jerusalem as it's capital. It's a big compromise from my early beliefs where I thought Israel should not even exist. Arabs are mainly to blame for the consistent mess ups regarding this issue. As the Arab League doesn't want anyone to get involved. Which is fair enough if you can at least resolve the damn thing. Iran and other Muslim countries should accept Israel soon after Israel accepts Palestine within 1967 borders with full territories and rights over land, air and sea. Well it's not good to sea Arabs vs Persians or other Muslims. However, that is what is currently happening. It's a shame because Muslims have been exploited due to lack off solidarity between all Muslims.

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I absolutely agree, but this is not happening.

Iran is the only country which openly talks of elimination of Israeli regime and liberation of Baitul Maqdas. Due to this policy Iran has suffered wrath of America, the most influential country. And yet other Muslim countries, instead of helping Iran in its ordeal, are supporting Americans punish Iran for its opposition to Israel.
For example, oil embargo on Iranian export will be disastrous for Iran. But it is difficult since many countries rely on Iran's oil. So now Saudis have come forward and promised to increase their output so as to make this embargo happen. Without Saudi help Americans and Israelis would fail in their attempts to put effective embargo.

So all this talk of Muslims supporting each other for the common cause of Palestine, is nothing but rhetoric.

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I couldn't agree more. I guess it boils down to Sunni vs Shia. It's a shame. We could go on for days trying to establish the underlying issues between the Arabs and Persians. However, we wouldn't get anywhere.

All I am going to say is that until Muslims unite they will be the slaves of the non-Muslims.

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Maybe

-DP

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Oh yes I forgot it's a threesome! Zionists will use anyone and throw them like a used condom.

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Didn't iran try its luck there in the eighties with the tanker war? Sure, Iran might have more ships in the region than the US, but the US navy packs more punch even now with its advanced destroyers and frigates and missile and air power. The only game changer would be if Iran had nukes which they don't right now. Asymmetric warfare would have ideally worked if american was in iraq but they have withdrawn from there. Sure, iran could try something in afghanistan but there influence in iraq was more. US might be bruised but it will keep the strait opened along with other NATO allies.

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It was Iraq which had started the Tanker war. It wasn’t Iran.

The Tanker War started properly in 1984 when Iraq attacked Iranian tankers and the vital oil terminal at Kharg island.

I am pretty sure it will not be long when America will take the control of the Strait of Hormuz. But until the time it happens the price of oil will shoot through the roof.
I don’t want to pretend to be a military expert, but even after losing control, Iran will still have capability to utilize its speedboats and missiles to perform guerrilla operations on tankers passing through there.

I don’t think Iranians are foolish enough to think that they will be able to stop the traffic indefinitely. They know America’s capabilities. If you and I can think about it then so has Iran. And they have had plenty of time to think it through.
So we can argue about what can potentially happen all day long but this discussion is more like making castles in sand. And so I would rather disengage from it.

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It's a threesome already happening to Baitul Maqdas and Quds. Saudis must be enjoying doing it to Islam's first Qibla.

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So we can argue about what can potentially happen all day long but this discussion is more like making castles in sand. And so I would rather disengage from it.
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:)

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very true, the sunni v shia issue can be easily squashed i don't see it as biggest problem to unity. The biggest problem stopping unity is the sell out rulers and regimes in power!