Is Islamism a bankrupt ideology?

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Re: Is Islamism a bankrupt ideology?

@shweetdreamz

^^ the point was to exist as one big muslim nation or to believe in one God and do good in the world?

As a nation under God…from the earliest time, we were a nation that was never left alone and constantly harassed. I’m saying this no doubt influenced later Islamic regimes (from the fall of the Noble Caliphs onward)…

you are saying that it was absolutely necessary for the muslims to expand their empire from spain to india to africa and had they not done so they themselves would have been wiped off?

Such was the case with Byzantium and Persia. After that, Islamic rule had become Imperial, and so one can’t really say the expansion was strictly for religious reasons, or even for survival, although it sure as hell was the most secure point in our history.

again…this justifies every other religion’s/country’s actions too.

I used to be concerned about this too…until I realized that ALL country’s do it anyway and will come up with their own justifications for why the do. If our options are to sit back and turn the other cheek (which is nonsense, imho) or to play the game and dominate (assuming there’s no middle ground except being servile to another power)…what would you suggest we do?

The Muslim powers during the middle ages were far from perfect, but I can’t fault them for their foreign policies as it was quite rational.

however, keeping in sync with the topic, the whole issue of killing apostates is what i meant by saying that islam is spread by the sword…if your religion is so true, why is there so much insecurity that u need to kill those that turn away from it.

Point is, I don’t feel insecurity at all untill these guys turn coat. I mean, look at a country like Pakistan. You can find dozens of people who want nothing to do with religion and are silent about it…they really could care less…I say leave them be as they may turn around one day.