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Originally posted by Rani:
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"Bhaag gayi? par bhagney se pehley ye sunti jao" you bina desh ki rani!
Fakhira,
You are as Fakhir in your knowledge as your name. All you are about is fight without any logic.
Is there anyone who can understand what this stupid comment is meant for? Fakhira & Logic.......? Kuchh na samjhey khuda karey koyi!
Why do any conversion from Islam to other religion is punishable by death, ....because you guys are afraid that all the followers will run away.
There is no restriction on coverting your religon. As per our Holy Book, you are at your liberty to accept it or reject it. Your problem is that you have collected all the fake materials attached to Islam. Now, tell everybody that a woman from Islambad has told you that such non-sense is not in Islam.
You are talking about toleration, and muslims don't even allow non-muslims to visit Mecca, whereas we even allow muslims to build Musjids in our holy cities.
A mosque is a premises where all the governmental affairs are conducted in a Muslim society. A "mohallah" mosque is of course on a local level, a Jamia Mosque is on a larger scale say on a town level and City of Mecca is supposed to be a place for international affairs (for Muslims of course). If you want to better understand it then you can visalize the needs of various governmental offices to be centralized at UNO. So Mecca is supposed to be a meeting point for world Muslim Community. Try to get it in your silly brain. As it is meaning less for a non-Muslim to enter in a Mosque, similarly the whole city of Mecca is regarded as a Mosque. This point is nothing to do with toleration. We dont allow Non-Muslims to poke their nose into our governmental affairs.
As for the Hindu site (given by Sophia) go and examine it last news posted on it was at least year old and the site is dying like Hindus in Pakistan....I have no reason to believe in URL given by you, how can anybody prove that it is supported by Hindus....I guess it never occured to you. Everybody should believe mullahs like you otherwise you will kill them.
I understand, it is hard for you to swallow that Hindus in Pakistan are really living in peace. If Sophia's referred site did not appeal you then you give a source to know the facts. I have travelled from Islamabad to Karachi more than 8 times by road and I second Sophia's idea that leaving Punjab, entering Sindh we come to know that how these villages are still under the influence of Hindus. Once in a small town Kashmore, we visited a Hindu transporter's home and I requested them to let me visit theri Mandir. This may even be surprising to you that in that Mandir they had Granth Sahib (same in the cradle like Sophia mentioned in your Nankana Sahib Gurudwara). We never hear any news from your zee tv if there is any fuss about hindus in Pakistan. You are suggested to establish your own channel so that your fussy-propaganda may reach to more & more people. In fact, its not so!
Sikhism accepts everybody and treats everybody equally regardless of their gender and religion, there are no Kaffirs in Sikhism and nobody is sent to hell for not pleasing God. Unlike you we don't kill people for their believe system. Anybody who creates fuss should be killed is your barbaric motto....don't teach me about toleration when you don't even know what it means.
The tolerance of Sikhs is preserved in the history. In Ranjit Singh regime, his jarnail Hari Singh Nalwa has made history of killing Pathans. For many month, it was his order to capture 4 pathns everyday and hang them on 4 Minars of Masjid Mohabit Khan in Peshawar. In Punjab, people still tease pathans with the legend that Pathan women used to frighten their children saying, " Nalwa Raghley" (Gabbar Singh aa jaye ga!). If barbarism is ommitted from your Sikhism nothin will remain, it was the sword & sword alone which give you this entity. (and you borrowed it from Muslims! do you have any word in Punjabi for Shaheed?) and what to say about Sikh agression in 1947......and how this Canadian base lass talk about toleration! Hindus say that the earliest Sikhs who answered guru Govind Singh's call were the Shudars.......well! I dont believe in cast or secterianism.....this is how others look at you.
There are no Sikhs left in Pakistan most of them came to India to escape Mullahs like yourself and your version of Islam "kill anybody who creats fuss" in other words doesn't agree with you or has different belive system. Indira was killed for killling innocent people not for her beliefs. Picking up sword for self protection is also part of Sikhism, I think you are too confused and intolerant to understand the difference.
I am pleased that you have learnt it by heart "kill the fuss creators". Thank God you quote it repeatedly without changing it to "kill who believe in other religons". Think it cool mindedly (I don't think you can) try to get a defination who is fuss creator and then you will start believing it. The whole unrest in the world is due to some fuss creators, they mush be eliminated. We believe in confinement baby!
Sikh toleration is apparant in Guru Arjan Dev Ji's honoring a muslim to lay foundation of a holiest Sikh shrine, thus sending the message that all human beings are born equal. I am sure with your dirty mind you will find some fault with it.
Be it Baba Nanak or Guru Arjun Dev ji, they tried their best to make the two communities (Hindus and Muslims) live in peace & harmony but what is the result? A new sect came into existance, the Sikhs! Be realistic, Both of these major sects have rich doctrines and it will take centuries to compromize on various philosophies presented by both doctrines in their opposite ways. What is in Sikhism, they have just "copied" (you call it "cut & paste" today!) some "achhi achhi batein" from both religons, but who cares? Guru to sub chaley gaye aur hamarah wastah purd gaya un ke khalsooN se! Ek number ke na Khalis!
As far as I am concerned this discussion is closed, you and Sophia can keep on abusing everybody and patting each other on the back and advocating killing non-muslims who don't live by your rules...obvilious to the fact what goes around comes around. In this age of mass communication it is very difficult to hide and whitewash the truth.
You will get "eeint ka jawab pathhar" whenever you will create fuss with anyone about Pakistan, Muslims Or Islam. I have told you we dont kill Non-Muslims but only fuss creators. Everybody has right to choose and live as per belief. Dont attach such blames to our Islam. At the same time, before critisizing our abusing, see within yourself, I have go through your long debate with an Indian Muslim, where you were demonstrating your decency with self praise for Sikhs and saying all the worst for UP Muslims. You taunt Indian Muslims relating them to Kotha prostitutes..What a shame! Can you claim that no Sikh women are in this profession? Talking about a certain communities body size and boasting about Sikh physique, that shows your mental level. I have visited Sharajah many a times for Cricket matches , and seen overthere Sikhs in abundance. Labourers, carpanters, masons and all such jobs, I dont understand what makes you feel the most prosprous community in India. Watch you Sikh yatri coming back home from Pakistan, who they shop cloth and electronics like wild people.....
Anyway, say Thank to God, that you are on Internet, jitni bak-bak tum kar chuki ho, agar merey samney hoti to klashankof ka ek burst kafi hai tumharey liye!
[This message has been edited by Rani (edited August 27, 2000).]**
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