Islam is not only a religion in a spiritual sense, but also is said to have all answers on politics, science, banking & economics, etc.
As humans, our thinking is constantly changing, improving, learning - yet when it comes to religion, not a comma can be changed?!!
Re: Is Islam a static religion?
The commands and basic articles of faith never change..
Allah is the same
Angels are same
Book is same
Prophets are the one who came
Prayers are same...
If you mean for example, Islam should accomodate interest based system in its economic system because it's inevitable by today's standard then, you have a wrong understanding of Islam being for all times..
Re: Is Islam a static religion?
As per my information, As per some basic like brother AQ have said, cannot be changed and that is also for the betterment of Human-Kind. It is Important for Human to have one center so that they can be unified.
Examples can be taken from the history ( of any nation) the moment they got into a centrel command that particular nation achieved the RISE. the moment the spilt they were history.
Islam has rules and regulation not to satisfy Allah Subhan.o.tala but for the betterment of Humans, no society can exist without certain regulations and laws, Islam has provided some basic laws for the survival of the society which cannot be changed!
1) One should not worship any other god But Allah. ( Worship doesn't means that he only have to pray and fast, as per my info, it also includes, how one is performing his duties(assigned to him by Allah) in the society.
2) One shall not kill another Human, unless he have killed someone or done somthing for which death is the only penalty, but still Allah likes the one who forgives.
3) One should not Commit Adultary
4) One should not Steel and Lie
5) One should keep his promise as they are like debts.
And there are few other fundamentals, otherwise Islam has nothing static, yet everything is dynamic.
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how can a religion be true and divine if any average joe can change it according to his whims and desires?
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It should not be that an average Joe could change the religion, but intellectuals should be able to change the finer points.
The interest based economic system is here to stay and those of them who believe that that Islamic form of economics are missing a moot point. These laws were brought into the Arab world where tyrant money lenders used to squeeze the poor. Interest was banned to protect the poor people at that time. Now the times have changed. With financial institutions mushrooming across the world it is very difficult to be short charged by interest unless you want to.
All things said and done why should people lend you money unless and until they get some benefit out of it.
There have been arguments here on why 4 women witness=1 male witness. This is another rule that does not stand testimony to the change that has happened in the world today. Today women are better educated and are able to think for themselves. This was not true for women of those times. Women could easily be tutored by their husbands to give false testimony. The 4 women rule was done to mitigate this kind of situation..
Re: Is Islam a static religion?
it is what you make of it. Islam is not static, it is however, not a molding piece of clay either. it is faith and its principles are expected to be reinforced in lives of us, as believers. real test is that rules and principles are not distorted for avaricious human nature that is gullible by satan.
as a man, i think it is extremely clear - women witness amounting more than a man, is a rule of math that only Allah knows, but it is logical, as women have better memory than men, and their unanimous verdict will be in fact beneficial for them, if the jury process is not contemptuous itself.
regardless of that injunction, the true verdict cannot be forestalled in favour of a man or a woman, if they are wrong. and a pretty damn good job is carried out by a believer, when one does not have to foreshadow what one has to do to feel and be truly religious. it must all come about as heartfelt as possible. my two pence.
cheers!
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It should not be that an average Joe could change the religion, but intellectuals should be able to change the finer points.
the intellectuals and scholars are given that right.remember ijtehad. as for the rest of your post, you dont classify for either an intellectual or a scholar so i would refrain from remodelling something that i dont have any command over to begin with.
Re: Is Islam a static religion?
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It should not be that an average Joe could change the religion, but intellectuals should be able to change the finer points.
The interest based economic system is here to stay and those of them who believe that that Islamic form of economics are missing a moot point. These laws were brought into the Arab world where tyrant money lenders used to squeeze the poor. Interest was banned to protect the poor people at that time. Now the times have changed. With financial institutions mushrooming across the world it is very difficult to be short charged by interest unless you want to.
All things said and done why should people lend you money unless and until they get some benefit out of it.
There have been arguments here on why 4 women witness=1 male witness. This is another rule that does not stand testimony to the change that has happened in the world today. Today women are better educated and are able to think for themselves. This was not true for women of those times. Women could easily be tutored by their husbands to give false testimony. The 4 women rule was done to mitigate this kind of situation..
I know what you are coming from but your arguments are weak.
1- Interest based finance is STILL being used to make enormous amount of money at the expense of those who are either really genuinely poor or are self made poor looking for a lavish life at low but adequate income.
2- Issa Bin Marium (PBUH) fought for the financial freedom of people as well against few rich men.
3- An interest based finacial system is a vehicle to make few very very rich but many, very very poor or indebted to the point that they pass on to their generation the debt.
4- It is indirect way of making people slave. Off course there is responsibility on those people who fall into this trap. More you desire, more you get deeper into "financial slavery".
5- There will not be a need to borrow money from someone else if the desire are reduced to minimum and this on large scale of population can abolish interest based system.
6- For example, if I can afford to rent or buy a smaller house then there should not be a need for me to buy a larger house with all the amenities and eventually get loan on interest.
7-Credit card companies, money lenders etc. love people who are greedy. They do not want to encourage people to do business in cash for their own interest. (Pun is intended!)
8-Your comments about women is discussed many places and you showed lack of knowledge in making those comments.
Yes Islam is static in many many ways (thats a good thing) and is capable of of showing its dynamic qualities if the static rules are applied to any change in the society wisely.
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In short what you are saying is that people should curb their desires and live frugally !!! (Welcome to utopia my dear friend)
All arguments said and done is it feasible in today's world to abolish interest. What is the alternative.
For a moment let us imagine that there is no interest on money lent. Let us not talk about Islamic finance due to the fact that it is interest again by some other name.
Financial institutions would cease to exist due to the fact that they are not able to generate profits.Supposedly I meet with an accident and I do not have money to bear the hospital bills. So what do I do. I have a monthly income but that is not going to help in this situation since I need mony now and not later. So I borrow money from all my friends. If that does not suffice what do I do...
Just think before you start stating your opinions.
Re: Is Islam a static religion?
The mullahs and wannabes are trying to make it not only static but actually regressive. By misinterpreting, lying and making up rules commandments and clarifications they have a large number of muslims believing in a lot of crap that simply serves their own sorry upkeep and maintenance. The interest issue is just one such example. They come up with this nonsense and do not distinguish between usury and inyerest.I can go on and on about other lies these religious peoiple have perpetrated on the aam. These are the reasons why muslims are killing themselves all over the world, are becoming to be known as terrorists unless otherwise proven.Get rid of the mullas first and terrorism will vanish.More importantly, many young muslims are no longer capable of confidently doing anything without first asking if it is permitted or not. That's exactly what the mullas want. So they can sit there and pronounce judgements on what is sin and what is not.Therefore in my opinion mullas have made islam static and worse.
Re: Is Islam a static religion?
how can a religion be true and divine if any average joe can change it according to his whims and desires?
Because truth and divinity are not limited to the desert areas of the Middle East thousands of years ago. Because the people who designed (those that followed revelation that determined how the religion is to be practiced) the religions didn't necessarily understand the whole truth and in all probability were not divine.
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the wisdom and essenced of a religion must be interpreted to see how the concepts apply in changing plaves and times.
Re: Is Islam a static religion?
Get rid of the mullas first and terrorism will vanish.
i like practical approaches, you can't GET RID of anyone who doesn't fit in your philosphy of life. Most mullah's truly beleive in what they say / do. Neither you, nor them should GET RID of anyone - but discuss / open healthy debates , create awarness and educate each other and come to terms on most issues.
This certainly not an easy or quick process ... but I think this is the ONLY way to progress.
More importantly, many young muslims are no longer capable of confidently doing anything without first asking if it is permitted or not.
Funny you mentioned this, europe went through similar phases ... you had to ask the CHURCH in order to undertake everything (eg, sex with wifey, occupation for ur son etc). They call that age : DARK AGE of europe
Re: Is Islam a static religion?
The mullahs and wannabes are trying to make it not only static but actually regressive. By misinterpreting, lying and making up rules commandments and clarifications they have a large number of muslims believing in a lot of crap that simply serves their own sorry upkeep and maintenance. The interest issue is just one such example. They come up with this nonsense and do not distinguish between usury and inyerest.I can go on and on about other lies these religious peoiple have perpetrated on the aam. These are the reasons why muslims are killing themselves all over the world, are becoming to be known as terrorists unless otherwise proven.Get rid of the mullas first and terrorism will vanish.More importantly, many young muslims are no longer capable of confidently doing anything without first asking if it is permitted or not. That's exactly what the mullas want. So they can sit there and pronounce judgements on what is sin and what is not.Therefore in my opinion mullas have made islam static and worse.
Please take a break from your usual conjecture and enlighten us as to what "rules commandments and clarifications" have been made up by the decadent mullahs as well as what have they misinterpreted and misinformed the public on???
Re: Is Islam a static religion?
u need to do more research…Islam came after Judaism n Christianity (all three are monotheistic religions). before Quran there were several holy book sent on many Prophets (:as:) and Messenger (:as:).
what we have today is the finished form of guidlines and rules and regulations. (and as a Muslim we should be proud of that that we dont have to face wat previous nationz faced. i think many members over here can direct u with several wakiats (anecdote) where something was halal then it was made haram, or vice versa)
in every other holy book message was same, simple and plain. ALLAH SWT is one and he can only be Praised, and we need follow wat his Prophet (:as:) says. but unlike Muslims, every other nations (qomain) made several blunders, and many destroyed cuz of exceeding limits.
for Quran-e-Pak, ALLAH SWT take the responsiblity himself, so believe the words of divine and happily follow them 
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DARK AGE of europe
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So this is the Dark Age of Islam? Makes sense... Everybody has one...
Re: Is Islam a static religion?
^^ In short what you are saying is that people should curb their desires and live frugally !!! (Welcome to utopia my dear friend)
All arguments said and done is it feasible in today's world to abolish interest. What is the alternative.
For a moment let us imagine that there is no interest on money lent. Let us not talk about Islamic finance due to the fact that it is interest again by some other name. Financial institutions would cease to exist due to the fact that they are not able to generate profits.Supposedly I meet with an accident and I do not have money to bear the hospital bills. So what do I do. I have a monthly income but that is not going to help in this situation since I need mony now and not later. So I borrow money from all my friends. If that does not suffice what do I do... Just think before you start stating your opinions.
Ok i start of first by saying that "There is no god but Allaah, and Mohammed is the messenger of Allaah". The above stated quotes are something which i believe in completely.
One needs to believe in that as well as believe in Allaah which comes first to me ofcourse, i am also referring here to the first chapter of Quran, Surah Al Fatiha which i declare 17 times a day, Allaah is Lord of whole mankind, Allaah is merciful, thanks and praise be to Allaah, for Allaah only we worship and from Allaah alone we seek help, guide us throught the straigth path.
Now let me quote some verses which you have to understand from the context you have mentioned above,
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**SHAKIR:* O you who believe! Be upright for Allah, bearers of witness with justice, and let not hatred of a people incite you not to act equitably; act equitably, that is nearer to piety, and he careful of (your duty to) Allah; surely Allah is Aware of what you do.
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**SHAKIR:* Allah has promised to those who believe and do good deeds (that) they shall have forgiveness and a mighty reward.
It cleary say O you who believe, it clearly say act nearer to piety. Ok let me get another verse in which there is free will,
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**YUSUFALI:* O ye Children of Adam! Let not Satan seduce you, in the same manner as He got your parents out of the Garden, stripping them of their raiment, to expose their shame: for he and his tribe watch you from a position where ye cannot see them: We made the evil ones friends (only) to those without faith.
Well read the above ayah a million times with context, i am not changing the words of the Quran but trying to explain, you are allowed to wear clothes both which a immodest as well as modest, you got your free will here but clothes with modesty are best liked by Allaah.
Same here its your free will if any muslims wants to take a an interest based loan due to some unfortunate events in his/her life then its there free ahlan wa sahlan let them take it, but if they wanna avoid it just coz for the sake of Allaah then its good for them and Allaah likes it.
Now guess in the first chapter we declare we seek help only from Allaah, in the verses section Allaah tells us fair enough you wanna be pious then believe in Allaah.
But remember Allaah only says this to the men of understanding of Quran and the one who believe you are one of the unfortunate ones who dont do both, well its your believe of not trying to understand, well good for you i respect your belief.
I would love to talk about capitalism and interest but this should be enough for now. Waiting for your reply in the other thread as well as in this thread, lets go ahead after that.
Re: Is Islam a static religion?
religion is a personal issue. for being a good muslim i have always been told, i first need to be a good human being.
no need to fear religion but follow it with good committed intent without a pompous show that one is religious more than others.
Re: Is Islam a static religion?
Because truth and divinity are not limited to the desert areas of the Middle East thousands of years ago. Because the people who designed (those that followed revelation that determined how the religion is to be practiced) the religions didn't necessarily understand the whole truth and in all probability were not divine.
ijtehad can be done by ulemas of any region. even in the us of a. so relax.as for the rest of your post i have told you before i dont discuss faith, it is not debatable to me. i go my way you go yours.
Re: Is Islam a static religion?
Islam is not only a religion in a spiritual sense, but also is said to have all answers on politics, science, banking & economics, etc.
As humans, our thinking is constantly changing, improving, learning - yet when it comes to religion, not a comma can be changed?!!
There are those who are afraid to change and reinterpret their beliefs, and those are the ones who sort of keep Muslims mired in backwardness...
Its up to the individual however to intepret and understand the religion for him or herself... But if we leave it to Molvis and clerics, then nothing will be done to make Islam more relavent.