Re: Is Islam a followable religion in the modern world.
Hinduism is thousand of years overdue in having a reformation, and abolishing the evil caste system. Just look at how high caste Hindu’s even today refuse to have much contact with the lower castes, even during major disasters like the Tsunami.
Promote the rights of Dalits, tribals and economically marginalized: Your government has initiated discussions with local Dalit rights groups to address the issues of caste-based discrimination. But as we documented in a May 2005 report After the Deluge, India’s Reconstruction Following the 2004 Tsunami, caste-based discrimination remains a major problem in rural India despite over five decades of legislation banning such acts. It was not government officials, but survivors of the upper caste communities who survived the tsunami, who refused to share emergency shelters and relief material with their Dalit neighbors after the tsunami. Tribal communities faced similar discrimination.
The experience after the tsunami proves that there is urgent need to vigorously enforce laws against discrimination. Your government should routinely inform communities that such discrimination is illegal, promote dialogue with the ultimate aim of encouraging all caste groups to live together with mutual respect, and monitor and respond quickly to conflicts between caste groups, including those encouraged by organizations and individuals with political agendas.
Re: Is Islam a followable religion in the modern world.
service based economies, mass communication hmmm the list goes and?
needs of people remain the same islam is not pretending its a political order it is a political order point blank that is why the west is desperate and focusing on islam 100% to the point where they have re colonised the lands no longer trusting their puppets in the area to keep the status quo. Hindusim xstianity have no problems adapting to western capitalism because they have no political order and they have compromised all the way, islam has not and that is why you see the problems arising from morrocco to Xinjiang because the secualr system and the ideas of the people clash head on.
As for the old aged argument four witness this is part of islam you accept or you don’t, woman have always had education and have been rich also thats irrelevant point to this dicsussion which you make because no one is doubting woman are educated or have skills issue in islam, man and woman are different and they have different roles in life and if what they choose to do is halal no problem if they cannot then they leave it.
Re: Is Islam a followable religion in the modern world.
Not just integration, but a long over due reformation of Hinduism. When will the priests and sadhu's of Hinduism all sit down and formally announce the abolition of the Hindu caste system?
Re: Is Islam a followable religion in the modern world.
things are changing very slowly even upper caste wants to be included in qouta
system. it has to change from agricultural to industrial society to eliminate
the caste sysytem.
Born into the Brahmin caste, Sunil Sharma occupies the highest rung of India’s ancient social hierarchy. But as he sat the other day in his tiny one-room apartment, with its single barred window and a portable gas stove in the corner that serves as the kitchen, it was hard to see quite where the advantage lay.
The illiterate son of an illiterate milkman, Sharma, 35, is a truck driver who supports a wife and 10-year-old son on about $15 a week. They have no running water and often have to borrow money from neighbours.
Re: Is Islam a followable religion in the modern world.
service based economies, mass communication hmmm the list goes and?
needs of people remain the same islam is not pretending its a political order it is a political order point blank that is why the west is desperate and focusing on islam 100% to the point where they have re colonised the lands no longer trusting their puppets in the area to keep the status quo. Hindusim xstianity have no problems adapting to western capitalism because they have no political order and they have compromised all the way, islam has not and that is why you see the problems arising from morrocco to Xinjiang because the secualr system and the ideas of the people clash head on.
As for the old aged argument four witness this is part of islam you accept or you don’t,there has always been woman who are education or have been entrepreneurs also thats irrelevant point to this dicsussion which you make because no one is doubting woman are educated or have skills issue in islam, man and woman are different and they have different roles in life and if what they choose to do is halal no problem if they cannot then they leave it.
Re: Is Islam a followable religion in the modern world.
Maddy, please explain a little more on your answers:
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Interest-free banking is very widespread and accelerating in growth in many parts of the Muslim world. It's been so successful that even most major Western investment and commercial banks now have Islamic banking divisions that are continually growing
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I am under the impression that the interest-free banking of Islam and the interest-bearing banking system result in the same amount that needs to be paid. Isn't you just playing with words in order to get the same result? Both result in the same payment over the same period but is termed different.
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Only some Muslim scholars think that's a part of Islam. Others believe the restriction only applies to journeys that exceed a specified length or duration.
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I understood from reading on Gupshup that Islam is a complete religion. Why the uncertainty w.r.t. above? What is the standard/official viewpoint?
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Having Islam constantly open to the best interpretation of knowledgable people prevents it from the trap of falling into a single, corruptable set of rules. Music is a case in point. Islam is a perfect religion and at teh time of the Prophet a single, unified opinion existed about music, but somewhere along the line someone innovated, and invented sayings of the prophet to either support or oppose music. Scholars are divided over some believing the evidence against music to be post-Islamic innovation, whilst other believe the evidence in favour of music is post-Islamic innovation.
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What would be the proper/standard view? Is music haraam or not? Surely people trying to conduct their lives according to principles of Islam should know what to do.
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Four witnesses are required for an accusation of consensual sex, not for rape
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This true? Seemed to have seen many comments from Muslims on Gupshup that understand it to comply to rape as well.
I believe that the question RashGuy asked initially about Islam's position in modern world is relevant to all religions. Definitely there is a big debate in Christianity today where certain theologians are trying to "change" the way Christians deal with many issues. You touched on the issue somewhat with your reference that there exist in Islam different viewpoints and ways to interpret certain modern issues. Is Islam adaptable or is the rules/regulations inflexible?
Re: Is Islam a followable religion in the modern world.
//needs of people remain the same islam is not pretending its a political order it is a political order point blank //
That is where the whole problem likes. While needs of the people remain the same, the means of achieving them have become totally different. How can we come to a valid conclusion regarding cloning etc. True a maulvi could issue a fatwa but this is open to interpretations. While Islam talks about the treatment of slaves, I feel those have become redundant. It speaks of life in Arabia in 14th century which might not have great relevance today.
//that is why the west is desperate and focusing on islam 100% //
Where did you get this idea from. Just because West is trying to colonise the middle east, does not mean that they are trying to look to Islam for answers. While it is easy to get carried away by emotions it is very important that we view matters in a proper perspective. If west is the picture of imperfection why do we still dont have a perfect Islamic Country till date. If ever there was one, why did it loose out. Did it loose touch with reality.
//As for the old aged argument four witness this is part of islam you accept or you don't,there has always been woman who are education or have been entrepreneurs also thats irrelevant point to this dicsussion which you make because no one is doubting woman are educated or have skills issue in islam, man and woman are different and they have different roles in life and if what they choose to do is halal no problem if they cannot then they leave it.//
So uou agree that women cannot be trusted !!!. Well isnt that the bottom life of your long rant..
Re: Is Islam a followable religion in the modern world.
In one verse in Quran, I think it is in 3rd chapter, that a Muslim man should beat his woman. This woman can be anyone, his wife, or one of his wives or his lady slave.
One verse explains that a man can have two, three or four wives, only if he can be equally rational with all of them. And if he cannot, he must satisfy himself with only one, or with his lady slave.
Re: Is Islam a followable religion in the modern world.
Masci writes "1) Isnt taking and giving interest(banks) haraam. Is it really possible to survive in this world without the concept of interest. I would rather prefer usury to be banned rather than banning the concept of interests. I know that there are banks which cater to the interest free concept. But how many muslims would bank that way.
*Interest-free banking is very widespread and accelerating in growth in many parts of the Muslim world. It's been so successful that even most major Western investment and commercial banks now have Islamic banking divisions that are continually growing"
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WRONG!! The reason banks hasve islamic banking divisions is not because it is "so successful" as an investment strategy. In fact, it is probably one of the worst. It is because it allows then to add capital to their asset base so that they can leverage their risk across different asset classes. They take the money a mulsim gives them and use it to trade in RIBA based products to make real money. Also, islamic banking is full of RIBA, putting lipstick on a pig, doesn;t make the pig halaal
Re: Is Islam a followable religion in the modern world.
Abay, ak47 can you please responsd once without distorting my words. I said some people pretend Islam is a political order…it’s nothing of the sort. This is a massive innovation.
The needs of the people remain the same ONLY if you define the needs as basic (i.e. food, water, shelter). Education, for example, was never a neccessity, but always a luxury. Except today. Today, it’s a matter of survival.
Hmm…so it has nothing to do with the fact that they’re KILLING said people? Nooo…it’s all about the ideology.
No one? Islamists the world over doubt it. The Quran only mentions women in this context only with regards to financial transactions, and it’s quite clear that it’s to appease the concern of the contemporaries of the Prophet (pbuh) that a women might forget. Yet, Muslim scholars throughout the ages have taken it to mean that in all matters, esp. criminal matters, a women’s witness is only worth half a man’s. Not because the Quran said so, but because of some other silly, extra-Quranic reasons.
Re: Is Islam a followable religion in the modern world.
Islam is political ideology correct
killing people ? dont know where your going here
you take one aspect of the islamic judicial system and focus on that if you want to discuss the entire islamic judicial system and discuss in context its better for you.
the verse regarding 2 woman witness is restricted to one aspect alone a financial transaction the verse never states that womans witness is worth half a mans this is your interpretation. Furthur the 2 woman situation is requested in the event that one of the woman witnesses marrying the man and thus becoming biased.
2:282 if not two men, then a man and two women whose testimony is acceptable to all. Thus, if one woman becomes biased, the other will remind her. It is the obligation of the witnesses to testify when called upon to do so
Re: Is Islam a followable religion in the modern world.
anjaan,
yarr, it matters not what ignorant non-Muslims think of said verses, but how Muslims interpret them.
Context, context, context...and we Muslims are not ignorant of that. And to be quite honest, lightly patting a women (which is understood by what the verse means) is hardly the horrific act of violence, like say, wife burning which is sanctioned in Hinduism and was only reformed by force from the outside.
Further, Muslims follow the Sunnah. By following the Sunnah, we will never beat or strike a fellow Muslim, especially our wives.
Re: Is Islam a followable religion in the modern world.
picoico, I damn care how you interprete the word of God(?) every time to your satisfaction and take shelter of contexts. I understand what i read, that you state the religion of modern world, science etc. I did not know that God maent a 'little patting' when it says 'beat your woman'.
Yes, AK, may be I am jeolous, how you can declare the modern world following your quotes. I think the word 'laundi' is used for lady slave in Quran and it tells to use her for satisfaction.
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