Is Indian culture invading Pakistan?

[_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah]

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Indian media (i.e. movies) can be eliminated if Pakistan develops it own decent industry.
As you know, the Pakistani Music Industry is expanding fast, and I think produces much better music than anything Indian, the same could be done with the Film Industry.

[Das_Reich]

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as an Islamic country pakistan does not need a music industry

[mAd_ScIeNtIsT]

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@metromomma

Is the sari originally Indian? I saw Troy adn the Greek were wearing what looked like saris.

There strong evidence that the sari was introduced to India by the Bactrian Empire, which was a Greek nation.

Pictures on vases from Ancient Greece seem to show that Macedonian women wore something that strongly resembled a sari.

[Blitzkrieg]

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@LastOfTheDinosaurs

Hahaha:p

why is your name so “militarilistic”?

^^ See I can be quick like lightning but you can’t exist as last of all the dinosaurs have all died thousands of years ago!

Btw, you said that langauge is a a form for communication not a religious or cultural symbol yet you are affording the same status to pashto?
Would you be willing to call someone a true pashtun or say his/her pashtunwalli is diluted if he/she doesn’t speak pushto?

Aren’t you contradicting yourself here???

[metromomma]

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@mAd_ScIeNtIsT

There strong evidence that the sari was introduced to India by the Bactrian Empire, which was a Greek nation.

Pictures on vases from Ancient Greece seem to show that Macedonian women wore something that strongly resembled a sari.

Exactly! So I wasn’t wrong. In Troy the women looked so..Indian. Sari with ethnic looking jewellery, kohl. Is there anywhere on the net that has this information about Bactrian Empire etc? I can’t find it.

[Das_Reich]

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bactrians

[LastOfTheDinosaurs]

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Blitzkreig, we can look at language from two dimensions; utilitarian when it just serves as a mean of communication; and socio-psychological where it functions as an identity marker for a group of people (identity based on common culture not race). Sometimes a language also comes to be associated with a race (just like Hebrew is for Isreal). Usually, for a people who initially create a language and/or use it for communicating cultural/social information for one or more generations, it becomes an identity-symbol and an emotional thing.

So as a "symbolic System", language can carry any feeling or thought, whether Hind, Muslim, or Christian. In this sense, it can simply be considered "a technology" that can be used by any one. It is when it comes to be associated with a group and carries the culture and history of that group, especially art, poetry, folklore, traditions, etc., it becomes an emotional and socio-psychological symbol/marker of the group..

The problem with the so-called Pakistan patriots is, they deliberately or unintentionally, exaggerate the expressive "power" and "cultural/artistic-content" of Urdu-Hindi without realizing that Sindhi, Pashto, and probably, Baluchi also, have a sufficiently extensive wealth of art, poetry, music, etc. and wouldn't go away so easily. No Sindhi, Baluchi, or Pashtun would like to throw away his/her past and that also for "some irrational Pakistaniyat" with only 57 years of not-so "bright and pideful" history. They also try to isalmize, although failingly, Urdu-Hindi just on the basis of few foreign words and Perso-Arabic script. They think that mere a few words and the script can make them distinct from inhabitants of Hindustan.

Well there can be a rational approach to this. Let people voluntarily choose meduim of expression without propaganada and imposition.

[LastOfTheDinosaurs]

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Pakistani music cannot rival Indian music in diversity, glamour, artistic quality, and sophistication. Until there are restarins of culture and religion, there cannot be any worthwhile revival of arts. Art is the highest form of creativity and for that there should be maximum freedom.

[LastOfTheDinosaurs]

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@parissenoor

why??
learning others languages is the best way to get closer to their culture and smoothen cultural barriers…and stop ethnic hate

Yes, I understand that. Learning other languages is always good that helps one to understand other societies and cultures as well as appreciate their art but that (learning) should be voluntary and not forced (or induced by colonialistic/imperialistic propaganda).

[Blitzkrieg]

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@LastOfTheDinosaurs

Pakistani music cannot rival Indian music in diversity, glamour, artistic quality, and sophistication. Until there are restarins of culture and religion, there cannot be any worthwhile revival of arts. Art is the highest form of creativity and for that there should be maximum freedom.

^^ On personal note, I think pashto music is tooo crude :yukh: and no one for god sakes should listen to it!

But I don’t mind pathanis!

[parissenoor]

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@Blitzkrieg

^^ On personal note, I think pashto music is tooo crude and no one for god sakes should listen to it!

But I don’t mind pathanis!

you obvioulsy don’t know pashto music, there are beautifull songs, with poetic lyrics…not crude at all!:o

@LastOfTheDinosaurs

The problem with the so-called Pakistan patriots is, they deliberately or unintentionally, exaggerate the expressive “power” and “cultural/artistic-content” of Urdu-Hindi without realizing that Sindhi, Pashto, and probably, Baluchi also, have a sufficiently extensive wealth of art, poetry, music, etc. and wouldn’t go away so easily. No Sindhi, Baluchi, or Pashtun would like to throw away his/her past and that also for “some irrational Pakistaniyat” with only 57 years of not-so “bright and pideful” history. They also try to isalmize, although failingly, Urdu-Hindi just on the basis of few foreign words and Perso-Arabic script. They think that mere a few words and the script can make them distinct from inhabitants of Hindustan.

shabash!

[Blitzkrieg]

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@parissenoor

you obvioulsy don’t know pashto music, there are beautifull songs, with poetic lyrics…not crude at all!:o

shabash!

Then show me these “good songs” that will melody lets say with urdu or even punjabi’

Ich fordere Sie heraus

[Blitzkrieg]

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Sie können nicht werden, was Sie nicht sind * Tiptip *

[Fret_Wizard]

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@Das Reich

as an Islamic country pakistan does not need a music industry

You call Pakistan an “Islamic” country? Music is the least of their worries.

[BalleBalle]

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didnt musharraf (or one of the other pak leaders) ban the indian satellite channels in pak a few years ago ? just curious....

[Kattabomma]

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what's this nonsense about custure invading? if your people have a void in entertainment, creative channels or recreation, they're going to find it wherever they can get it from.

just be thankful it's from India and not from china (subservience) or arabia (violence)

[Das_Reich]

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@Kattabomma

what’s this nonsense about custure invading? if your people have a void in entertainment, creative channels or recreation, they’re going to find it wherever they can get it from.

just be thankful it’s from India and not from china (subservience) or arabia (violence)

Void for entertainment??? if meaningless soapoperas,vulger movies and repulsive music is what you call entertainment in the name of art then we are better w/o it

[Das_Reich]

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@Fret Wizard

You call Pakistan an “Islamic” country? Music is the least of their worries.

True we have a lot of unislamic practices besides music,but music esp.the kind in indian(desi) movies leads to immorality and it cannot be good best thing is to ban it altogather.

[Blitzkrieg]

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Half of Pakistan is "indian" if you know what I mean... ;)

[Goliko]

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@nicols_john

Culture Cloning
Shaista Rameez
November 19, 2005

I have never considered myself the kind of a person who is sensitive about the preservation of the culture we consider essentially Pakistani. So, as yet, I have stayed away from the emotionally-charged “we are losing our culture to the satellite channels” debate. I watch and enjoy Indian movies and am a big fan of Shahrukh Khan and Rani Mukerji. And I watch Moeen Akhtar doing his impersonation of a Memon Seth in Such Much and Abrar-ul-Haq sing “Shareekan Nu Agg Lagdi…” with as much interest. If we don’t have a Shahrukh, they don’t have an Abrar-ul-Haq and that is a fact. They are ALL stars and in considering them ALL stars I thought I was a very neutral kind of a person. But there are some things that stir you to the core, and the recent “developments” in our television channels in the wake of the “Pak Bharat dosti” have finally managed to do so.

First it was the Tulsi sponsored Mujra-like songs that are being aired on ARY and Geo… I really fail to understand the idea behind these songs and where Pakistan enters into it… They are not our creation, they are not in keeping with our culture, then why hire Pakistani models and shoot them in Pakistan to try to pass them off as Pakistani and fool people into believing that this is the Pakistani answer to the remix wave engulfing India. If these people think that by airing dances they would be able to capture the Indian audience or compete with the Indian channels then there is really no comparison.

The Indians’ idea of a remix is adding the sleaze factor to the bashful 70’s numbers… Can we tolerate something so thoroughly disgusting and insulting to the female body airing on our television? HEAVENS, NO!!! PLEASE NO!!! Then there is no point of making half-hearted censor-scared attempts in the same direction. We need to understand that the Indians are remixing old numbers to fill up space in their pop charts because there is nothing happening in their pop scene. Our perfect answer to that is Ali Azmat’s “Na re Na” or Zeshan and Sajid’s “King of Self”. YES we are different from them and we are VERY CLASSY, which is proven by the immense response even every Atif, who crosses the border, gets in India.

If you look closely at the Indian television programs, their channels either telecast films or film related programs 85% of the time. Why follow them in TV programming? Zee had been airing the same Antakshiri for over 10 years. What we need to learn is advertising, backing our own talent and presenting it to the world as ours. And believe me, we are learning. Videos and advertisements in Pakistan now are way above the ones aired 10 years ago.

As yet, the major electronic media issue has been the satellite invasion in the country and the threat that Indian satellite channels post to our culture. But I have seen this issue recently take a very different turn. What came as a shock to me was a cooking show on HUM TV namely “billo ka dhaba” and the “billo” (a popular Pakistani TV actress) greeting the viewers with “Namaste”, with her hands joined and all.

What, may I ask, happened to the “Assalam-o-Alaikum viewers”??? Have we all, at the spur of the moment, converted to Hinduism??? Should all we married ladies have a bindiya on the forehead and sport sindur in the maang like Maria Wasti in one of her serials? And it is not just the independent channels, Shagufta Ijaz greets her new bahu in one of the serials on PTV, making circles with “sadqa” money in her hands in front of the bahu like the “arti” in Hinduism. Where in Pakistan are bahu’s greeted that way by there mothers in law? Need I remind us all that Sadqa is given by touching the money to the person’s right hand or the head or if you want to make circles so much, making them above the head and not like an aarti? Switch to Geo and you will catch at least a rush of “Jo baat ghar mein hai…”

It is really difficult to distinguish it from “Kahani ghar ghar ki…” not just because of the title but also because all the females sport sarees and excessive makeup and the evil ones wear snake like marks on their forehead and heavy kajal. What happened to the shalwar kameez??? What happened to the simplicity and realism of Pakistani drama??? Why are our channels airing semi-filmi soap operas like India, whose own dramas have not progressed in the 15 years I have been watching television???

The scariest picture the media presented of the cultural invasion of Pakistan five years back was a little child singing “Aati kya khandala” in the streets. It WAS pretty scary but yet there was that identification of it being an Indian song and the result of the Indian influence on the media. What I am really scared of, now, is a little child singing “Aati kya khandala” and not even being able to identify it as foreign.

If our media progresses this way, our children may be wearing sindur and greeting each other with a Namaste. It is a loss of identity, a loss of culture and above all a loss of religion. If this is what our media gurus have learnt from the national debate on the topic than I am really disappointed. We, as a nation need to take stock of this for we are a different nation, not a shadow of our dear friend India. The good part of it is, that there is no effect as yet on the masses. We still wear a shalwar kameez and don’t need sindur.

But such a trend developing in our channels is not a cultural invasion, it is a culture cloning of the Indians and a cultural marshal law imposed on the masses. I hope our “independent” channels realize that and do what they are truly meant to do i.e. represent Pakistan in the satellite world. Until that happens and The MUSIC’s logo does not read “kewal aik music channel” and the main characters of Indus Vision drama serials are not called “Anahita”, I can only watch and exclaim “dekh tere sansaar ki halat kya ho gai bhagwaan… Kitna badal gaya insaan…” Oops!

http://www.chowk.com/show_article.cgi?aid=00005603&channel=chaathouse&threshold=1&layout=0&order=0&start=170&end=179&page=11#1

By Indian culture…do you mean “Hindu” culture???..As Pakistanis already have the same culture as “Muslims” of India…There is no invasion there…