I am always surprised.
Looking at some documentaries, when they show thousands of year old Hindu/Buddh temples in india, there are pictures of woman. Like in a way which is not conservative at all.
But modern day india is you go close to girl try to kiss and she slaps you.(from movies)
I always wanted to know when how did that happen? At what point image of women changed in india?
Its like we convert to islam all the way.
Hindus converted half way. 
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You are right to some extent. We made them conservative. There was just too much open-ness before Islam. Consider statue of shirtless dancing girl found in Mohenjodaro.
I also heard that the ghaghra (or whatever) women wear under saree is a Muslim invention.
But to be precise, both of us influenced each other.
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I also heard that the ghaghra (or whatever) women wear under saree is a Muslim invention.
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We invented ghagra?? I am so proud of our ancestors.
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A very deep thread Mr. Monk.
In fact in the latest Mahabharata versions, Arjuna mia greets Janab Krishna with Salaam.
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to your monkness.
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Indian architecture definitely has some amazingly suggestive stuff, but in reality, that’s not how women on the street were walking by 
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The english part of your signature seems to have a Hindu influence
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The choli or blouse which is worn with the saree was a South Indian invention from the Chola dynasty. According to Rajatarangani, a tenth century literary work by Kalhana, states that the Choli from the Deccan was introduced under the royal order in Kashmir.Pre-Christian era paintings of Maharashtra and Gujarat are considered the first recorded examples of choli.
Choli - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
File:Iacuci11d0b62ppy.D.0.Ajanta-Cave-painting-Painting-Dance.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Maybe the garment became more popular in the north during the Mughal era.
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Sorry. I do not understand what you are trying to convey by the last 2 sentences. Do you mean to say women were morally deficient before and have become more conservative now because of the way they dress. Irrespective of the way ancients dressed, there are no historical evidences of wanton debauchery. Not saying everything was hunky-dory. The status of women changed over time in different places of the subcontinent differently, some for better but usually for the worst. There was no concept of slavery in Ancient India. It came with the muslim invasions. Monogamy was encouraged although polygamy was practiced by some. Segregation like pardah was not practiced or enforced either at social or religious gatherings .
There was a lot of muslim influence in art and architecture.
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I am sorry, the red parts in your post are wrong and misleading.
You are making segregation a negative trait based on current thinking, fine,…
…but it really did not cause such a big deal or harm to those who follow it now or followed before.
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Temples were a place where all the artisans put up their art for people to see as this was the place where all the people would come to meet or gather for all social and religious events.
Also, no one got slapped as people weren’t so treacherous back then. They had the decency to know what was theirs and what was not. So, aaj-kal ka movie scenario is irrelevant. India’s ancient culture never taught anybody to be ashamed of their bodies or anatomy. Beauty was appreciated/accepted and not pounced/cursed upon.
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^ I like the last two sentences. I didn’t think of it this way. Beautifully put. What is there to be ashamed of with nature and natural acts of love. Appreciation of natural aspects of life is a good thing. Thank you for that perspective.
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The highlighted part about slavery not being a part of Hinduism, how is that misleading or wrong ?
To summarize the essence of Hindu belief on the matter of “slavery”, the following Sutra from “Maha Nirvana Tantra (Method of Great Liberation)” will suffice: “O Devi of the Kulas! the human body is the receptacle of piety, wealth, desires, and final liberation. It should therefore never be the subject of purchase; and such a purchase is by reason of My commands invalid (140, Maha Nirvana Tantra)”. Manu Smriti (an interpretation and application of eternal truths propounded in Vedas) also does not condone slavery or ownership of humans. Intolerance of slavery by Hinduism (supported by Vedas as well as fringe scriptures) may not be confused with historical studies, past, current, or future practices in India, legislation in India, or political movements.
Slavery and religion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Monogamy was encouraged but polygamy was also practiced by some groups. There are enough teaching in the vedas promoting monogamy over polygamy..
As for segregation, IMO it is not right. People should be able to walk about independently without a relative. Must be able to meet and exchange ideas irrespective of gender as long as decently done. If non segregation did not lead to social problems in ancient India, then there is something wrong about today’s society that warrants segregation. It is sort of very pessimistic view in believing that people are always slaves of their baser natures that half of the society needs to be kept under lock and key.
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NO!!
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how little people know.. and how much they want to argue.
So.. bottom line no one know how that change came about.
I look some where else for answers.
Thank you.
This thread can be locked. It has potential to get boring
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Muslims influenced India so much, it really changed. Mohammad bin qasim came with rich Islamic culture and it changed lot of things in India especially the caste system.
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Misleading post.
Here is the rebuttal.
Slavery in Hinduism By Avijit Roy
Hinduism is the one and only religion in this world which has a documented concept of “Occhut” (Untouchables). It is the only religion in this world which spread racism directly by scripture, and by preachers. Those ‘untouchable Dalits’ who has been considered as ‘slaves’ by Aryans, are, no doubt, the most pitiable victims of Hindu religion. In ancient Rig-Veda, we find clear mention of slaves. From Aryan scripture, we get three types of slaves [Ref. Pracheen Bharotey Dash-protha : Devraj Channa] - 1. Slaves because of incurring debts
2. Slaves because of loosing in gamble
3. Slaves because of loosing in war.
Since then the slaves are denoted as captivated purchasable product. It has been legalized to have intercourse with the women of defeated side after the war as the women were considered as the “spoil of war”. There are numerous examples in ancient Hindu scriptures where royal sages made relationship with slave-girls. One example may be the birth of Kaksmibaan as depicted in Rig-Veda (1|116) who was born because of the relationship between Dirghotomaa and a slave-girl of Angamhishi. Kobosh-Oilush was also a child of a slave girl.
Hindu scriptures intentionally described slaves as “black”, “black-vagina”, “inactive” or even “inhuman” etc. Aryans were different for the slaves and it is said that Indra, the soverign of the hindu gods, did this separation (Rig-Veda 2|20|7, 10|22|3, 86|19, Atharva veda 5|13|8). A Slave was considered nothing but as a property, and (s)he was even allowed to be destroyed for just the benefit of Aryans (Rig-Veda 1|19|8, 5|34|6, 6|25|2, 8|40|6). It was also an ancient tradition to provide a slave girl with a new bride just after the marriage for her convenience in new house. In Vedic literature of later ages, we get an incident of a paramount ruler who made presentation about thousand slave-girls to his clergy [Oitoreyo Brahmmon 39|8]. Ramayan and mahabharat also mentioned about slaves. In an incident of Ramayana, we once found Raja Ram meeting with slave community (Dhibor Das) who lived by the bay of Ganges. They used to live their life by fishing, hunting and collecting fruits in near by jungles. It is quite interesting to note that there is a lot of evidence that slaves were being kept in the palace of Ram and Kaikeyi. (BUT SURPRISINGLY THERE WAS NOT A SINGLE EVIDENCE OF KEEPING SLAVES in the royal mansion of Ravan in Lanka.) We also find a very clear indication of a well-established slave-based Hindu society in Mahabharat .
Regards.
Avijit.
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http://islamhinduism.com/hinduism/analysis/158-slavery-in-hinduism
In the Rigveda, there are numerous places where gifts of beautiful girls as salves are made to saintly persons. For example, Rigveda 6/27/8 mentions Abhyavarti, son of Chayaman, presenting a gift of slave girls stuffed in two big wagons to Rishi Bhardavaj.
I do not think anyone would want me to find any more sources.
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I am not interested in continuing this discussion with you. Your sources are suspect and not reliable. In the same light, maybe if a book was written by Mullah Omar titled, “The true Islam”, I am pretty confident, it would be an authentic source to learn about your religion. That is pretty much what you are doing with Hinduism.