Is India/Pakistan rivalry missing that "spark" as compared to other rivalries?

After watching one of the single greatest ODI’s this game has produced, where everything clicked. Every single event and ocassion produced something, whether that be Andrew Hall’s one-handed catch at mid-on to dismiss Gilchrist, or a continuous mindset of raining sixes after sixes in consecutive overs, it got me to thinking; we all have heard and read the fierce rivalries that surround the scene of International Cricket, at some point in time of our lives. Certainly, starting with India/Pakistan (moreso because of political tension than anything else, I’d reckon), the Ashes (with dozens of reports indicating that a huge cricketing fanbase have been glued to this game ever since this past Ashes series), and last but not the least, growing it’s roots from all the way back from the Semi-Final of circa '99 World Cup, the Australia vs. South Africa rivalry (the game itself, which, ultimately, resulted in a draw).

Considering the greatest rivalries that have revolved around the orbit that we live on, experts and analysts have gone on record of mentioning that the rivalry between India/Pakistan takes away the cake; it is the ‘bread-and’butter’; it has single-handedly changed the scope of the modern era, and have even ranked it at the very top of their respective lists. Trotting down my memory lane (if it serves me correctly) to the recent Dil Jeet Lo series, and the current consistency of happenings with which these two countries have met (and will be meeting in the near future - Abu Dhabi matches + Europe tour), all of it has been, well, a notch down (below-par) in my book. It definitely used to hold that “spark” during tons of Sharjah matches in the past, but lately, it has become too predictable and too one-sided (of course, with a few exceptions - Mohali Test, Karachi Test, First Peshawar ODI) and have been missing that glimmer of light, that flicker of ignition, and that flash of a glow, it seems. If it is not the above, then I certainly can’t put my finger on it. There certainly have been an absentee, or rather an omission of, well, again, I just can’t put my finger on it. I remember vividly, back in the day, the only topic that we discussed at a dinner table was who will win tomorrow’s match between India/Pakistan, who will score how many runs, and things of that nature. I am not even speaking on behalf of my household only, as I am sure you would have also seen such activities and actions going around in your neighborhood as well, especially when there was a “big” event lurking around the corner, as everybody gathered around a nice, warm and shady place and just endlessly discussed the outcome and possibilities to death, with no worries or shadows hovering upon them, which thus would remain past midnight.

With that said, please provide your opinions as to whether or not India/Pakistan rivalry is still ranked at the very top of your list, or has it been overshadowed by Australia/South Africa, or rather England/Australia? In any case, do you think that the cricket that we (as us - in both countries) have played in recent years have been, well, excessive (to say the least)? Even though it’s understandable that both PCB and BCCI are on the brinks of casting as much money as possible by only playing with nations that sees the end-result generate in billions of dollars, why does it seem like the “spark” has been diminished in this modern day?

Anything and everything you can comment on, from what categorizes rivalry as ‘fierce’, to the lack of interest in the ‘supposed’ “biggest” rivalry of the history (if such is the case).

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itna ziyada likhnay ki kiya zaroorat thi :bummer: aab saara parhna parey ga :smack2: :stuck_out_tongue:

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Dhobi bhai,
SA Vs. Aus was never the "rivalry" based game until the WC 99 semi final that brought the forementioned teams to play like "arch rivals." Given what SA did today against the Aussies, it's just unbelievable about how much serious they are about their commitment. If anyone has a doubt of commitment or how to be self confident, I'd suggest take a look @ the SA innings with the mammoth total of 434 and that was chased by them with a ball to spare.
As far as Pak-India rivalry is concerned, I think they are still the epitome of Cricket arch rivalry ever produced. On the other hand, I would agree with you very much that both Pak and India are playing too much games and that takes the "attraction" away from the game. I would rather prefer Pak play India once in 2 years rather than once every year. Now, this time around, we are going to have 2 more ODIs in Abu Dhabi after the 5 ODI series and that just takes the "charm" out of Pak-India rivalry. I remember in 2004 when Pak hosted India and everyone @ school was so much into the game. Everywhere, everyone was muttering about Pak-India clash but when you have too many games, it just doesn't make the games as "worthy" of watching as playing less but with more intent and energy is what drives the fans.
Ashes series and now the made rivalry between "Aus and SA" are no doubt behind the Pak-India clashes but the base of Pak-India classes are not mere fans. They are nations of 140million Pakistanis and 1billion Indians. Which other Cricketing nation has that much fan base? True, SA and Aus provide/d some "awesome" Cricket but the charm due to the history and political tension of Pak-India can't be beaten by any other clash in the Cricketing arena.
Once again, the coming Ashes in Winter 06, its' going to be a hell of a series as well because Aus would def. try to avenge for the loss in Eng but who knows, what Eng can produce and what Aus will do if they are deprived of McGrath or even Lee(just in case). We saw what happened in Johanessburg today when Aus were deprived of McGrath and their bowler "Lewis" went for "113" runs in 10 overs. "Ahhh"(as said by Arun Lal)lolz. In any case, I am becoming more and more fan of the ODI Cricket as it's producing gem of performances from all Cricket teams around the world and what we had today, it will for sure remain "active" in the history books for long.
What the fellow guppies think??
Umer

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Yes, I agree with the fact, Umer Bhai, that Australia/South Africa is not the longest-running version of cricketing rivalries we have come across, but certainly, it has to be ranked right up there, at least at the third or even the second-most top position. Also, another fact you mentioned relating to the enormous fanbase from both nations (visibly India) and the amount of craze that runs even in their side games, and that too on a weekday, as per denoted below:

Regarding your mentioning the confidence and the mammoth total, it was one of those “once in a blue moon” days where every single thing from both sides of the fence clicked, and that too, for both teams. I am sure that if Pakistan or India were to see one of these games in the future and chase down a gigantic total, at least something would have to click, and with the recent aspect and the flurry of “batsman-inducing” options that there are to choose from, a spectacle like this only requires one human to step into that Twilight Zone to pave the red carpet, not only for himself and for his team, but also for his nation.

However, I am still sort of raising my eyebrows (little doubt, of course) as to whether or not regard the sub-continent rivalry as the greatest ever in modern-day (although it still is, I am sure). Yes, at this point in time, there is very much ‘little doubt’ (in my mind), but will it ever be overshadowed? Will that time in history (provided if it falls through in our lifetimes) be etched in stone and take the place at the top of the list, marking it’s debut?

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At the moment there are only two real rivalries in the world of cricket, India/Pakistan and England/Australia.

Others might be there but none comes even close to these rivalries.

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I see that my post has already bit the dust.
No place for some good-natured taang-keeching here.

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:rotfl: thank you! made my day

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eggjackly

even between these two, the brownie blowout is way ahead of the gora gusti

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Dhobi Bhai,
NO doubt about the fact that everything clicked in time for both teams. Well, really for SA, everything clicked on time and at the right place. I'm sure that you must remember the coolness of Inzi in 2005 game in Ahmadabad when he won the match single handedly for Pakistan. So, in essence, teams are truely banded combination of individuals. On a given day, it just takes an "individual" performance of high class with (ofcourse) team backing, that makes the day for a nation or a team. Truely, Gibbs would be mighty happy and boy I am too. I am one of those people who want to see Aus downgraded for the WC 07 and inshAllah Pakistan upgraded for the WC because I want Inzi and his "boyzz" to topple the wudu and break the bridges to get the WC... Ambitious, Am I not? LOlz.....
One day in the future, it might be true that Pak-India won't have that charm to it as it pertains right now but that's future and who knows what other rivalries we can get. Certainly, what Pak-India rivalry has produced is by far the best produced in terms of passion for one's nation. Eng-Aus is gaining its strength back. Thanks to Michael Vaughn's team's steadfastness in Summer 05 and let's see what he got for Winter 06. If you ask me what I am looking for, well, the exam of Pakistan in England in upcoming Summer. That is to me a bigger challenge than SL. Ofcourse, I would not be happy Pak losing to SL but really a challenge to topple would be beating Eng in Eng and boy don't we have ammunition for that? Sure we do, and let's see where Waqar's and Woolmer's wit lands us in Eng? InshAllah, should be on the winning arena of English stadiums.
Umer

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Are we not getting tired of discussing India-Pakistan rivalry? :bummer:

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I think India-Pak has become a complete farce nowadays..>I still rememeber those times in Sharjaah..I used to be shivering whenever the Indian openers used to come out to bat...(That is another matter that India always used to lose at sharjah) But I always hoped so hard tht India would win.....

But now with so many one dayers it all seems to have lost its fizz...There is sometimes no excitement and I watch the game more because of my love for the game rather than the Ind Pak rivalry...

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That is exactly the phrase I was looking for in my initial post!


Umer Bhai, very nice posts. :)

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Talk about strengthening the dosti and dil jeet lo relationship and a reduced interest which shrinks alongwith the passage of time.

- The Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) has sent to its Pakistani counterpart a tender document which basically confirms that the Indian board has got clearance from its government for the Indian team to participate in five ODIs against Pakistan every year at an offshore venue.

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SA/AUS contest is too intense this time because of the treatment SA got from spectators in AUS during their last visit.

Although hype has dropped down a bit but even today PAK/IND contest can beat any contenst in cricket game (or may i say in any other game) by yards (if not by miles).