Re: Is Hinduism a followable religion in the modern world?
Brahmin Hinduvta it seems.
Discrimination against Dalits in Gujarat](http://www.ahrchk.net/ua/mainfile.php/2004/602)
There are many such reports of how Dalits in Gujrat were discriminated against even after earthquake in Gujrat in 2001, just like they were in the south of India during the recent Tsunami disaster.
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the Brahmins who respect scriptures like Manusmirti don’t respect it for anti-Dalit passages…there is much righteous thought even in these books. but more importantly, this is irrelevant to the issue at hand. I am saying that the current abuses against Dalits can be traced back to these texts, but are no longer connected to them, therefore rendering this a social/cultural issue as opposed to a religious one. When these upper caste abusers cannot even read, how will they read Manusmirti? The only connection here is that these abuses are rooted in corrupt brahmanism. what other connection are you trying to make?
this problem is about power, and the power structures in these villages are often not even led by Brahmins. some of the most prominent areas of caste abuse are dominated by non-Brahmins to the point that Brahmins and Dalits have alliances against them. The Yadav dominance in MP is a good example of that…Brahmins are abused just like Dalits are. Whoever has power/dominance will abuse it in any situation…the problem is that in backwards villages, this abuse can come in the form of violence.
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Then such Brahmins would have no problem in removing the anti-Dalit passages from the Manusmirti? Why don’t they? If yoy admit that the current abuses against Dalits can be traced back to these texts (even if you say they are more social now), then at the very least these should be expunged?
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how do you expunge passages? there are no production runs of Manusmirti.
but you still miss my point, what would the use of expunging passages be if the abusers themselves aren’t even reading them? the reason that this is useless is the same reason why this is not a religious issue.
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Does every bigot who persecutes and kills the low caste people have to be able to read Hindu scriptures? No Hindu, even yourself has denied that ancient Hindu scriptures do justify the caste system, and that has been taught verbally and doctrinally throghout the ages, and continues to be.
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when these scriptures themselves were never considered sacred/holy even during their time of prominence, and today are not even known, let alone followed…added to the fact that these abusers don’t even cite them…what is the connection? Dalit abuse has since been virtually divorced from this Brahmanism (as it has been extinct for a long time), and was never related to Vedic Hinduism in the first place.
So what is your point? that Brahmanical texts inspired today’s Dalit abuse? I will agree with you in a second. if you are trying to call these texts sacred Hindu scriptures…I will reject this. There have been dozens of corrupt Smirtis authored by Brahmins in post-Vedic periods…the reality is that nobody knows or follows these texts, and their use was purely political even during their day…so to try to include them under the label of “Hinduism” is clearly inaccurate. I would equate them to Daeef Hadiths at best, and at worst they would be no different than if I were to write up a Smirti this afternoon. Either way, they have no religious credibility.
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Did those 'corrupt' Smirtis not codify the Hindu caste system, that survives to this day?
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it survives as an evolution of said Smirtis into a social tradition in certain areas…those very Smirtis have already been expunged from today’s Hinduism, and never existed in Vedic Hinduism. it is blatantly inaccurate to refer to such scriptures as being part of, or revered within, Hinduism.
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They have not been expunged, because if they had been so would have the Hindu caste system along with them many, many years ago. Your responses are becoming more and more unconvincing.
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you seem to be having a very hard time grasping a pretty simple concept. Expunging a mindset from certain segments of society is different from expunging scriptures from a religion. The latter happened a long time ago, it is the former that is the problem. the damage has already been done…it will take a totally different approach to fix it. It’s not like the abusers are going home and reading ancient brahmanical smirtis and then being inspired to abuse Dalits…they probably haven’t even heard of these smirtis. How is it so hard to understand that the scriptures are long gone, but the practices they inspired centuries ago continue to be practiced. Please explain what exactly in that last sentence you don’t understand.
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How old are the Smiriti's? Will it take thousands of more years to ge this out of the mindset of Hindu's, and stop discrimination and murder against the Dalits and other low caste people?
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it will take increased general education and literacy rate in these villages to fix the problem…nothing else - and both of these are taking place rapidly in India and will only increase as the economy continues to boom. this type of discrimination doesn’t take place in educated circles, or even in urban areas. Dalits at IIT don’t get discriminated against by Brahmins at IIT.
given that you are a rabidly anti-India pakistani, i would recommend that you enjoy this era as much as possible…because come 20/30/50 years…you will be in serious depression over India’s social progress…perhaps as much so as its economic progress.
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Modern India is nearly 58 years old, and still you cannot explain why a thousands year old Hindu caste system still exists. Here is what the rabidly independent National Geographic news said some years ago:-
*"Statistics compiled by India's National Crime Records Bureau indicate that in the year 2000, the last year for which figures are available, 25,455 crimes were committed against Dalits. Every hour two Dalits are assaulted; every day three Dalit women are raped, two Dalits are murdered, and two Dalit homes are torched." *
That is what India has 'achieved' after 50 plus years, and that is why until you totally tackle the Hindu caste system head on, you will never see an end to this religious-based/social discrimination and persecution.
Re: Is Hinduism a followable religion in the modern world?
Im still trying to figure out if Islam is still a followable relgion in the modern world!
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Ok moulavi..we do it..now please move on..
does the national crime record say that all these are commited by brahmins.. 
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Why don’t you enlighten us dear “Sudra” brother.
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ok reza all indian will become muslims and no more dalit problem and we get back bangaldesh and pakistan and no more kashmir problem and later we join with iran it will be one big happy family.
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reza first you should treat your haris of sindh better before preaching
They have separate utensils in rural tea and food hotels. Among the Dalits of Pakistan, Meghwar tribe is considered as more educated. The Kolhis are the most neglected and downtrodden. Many of them have won freedoms from agriculture slavery known here as “private jails” of big landlords. Bheels are also there but their literacy rate is also among the lowest in Dalit tribes.
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dalits and sudras also kille brahmins always but you never hear about it. varna system gives good order in society but should not mean fighting and killings which is only done by politcians.
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Come again? Still in denial about your religion are you?