Is Hinduism a ‘Universal’ Religion'?

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It is in quran that we have sent every nation a messenger which spoke thier language ..so it is impossible that there would be no messenger for india region in the past...infact many scholrs are agreed that the Holy Vedas are the old books revealed by the Allah almighty but due to great passage of time ..it is now not 100% correct ...some hindu scholars like Ram diyanand sarsvati ..vedas are millions of years old but most of the hindu scholars agreed that they are about 4000 to 5000 years ago and are the message of God....as in hadees that there are total 1,24,000 messengers sent by allah but only few , i think, 25 or 30 are mentiod in holy quran ..rest are not...similarly only 4 books are mentiod in quran ..not all books revealed but in ahadees there are few more books mentiod like the book on messenger ibrahim(As)...on the ayub(as) etc....similarly scholars believe that there is a great possibility that holy vedas are also god words but as all other books like bible, torah , zaboor are not bieng saved from changes over a long passage of time ...vedas also changed over the long period of time....

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Scholars also say that as like other religions ...like christians made christ(as) the son of allah or by trinity rule...3 in one ..allah himself...as jews made uzair(as)..the son of allah..there may be chance that Karishna might be the messenger of Allah but latter on his followers gave him the status of Lord .....but scholars do not 100% sure ...they have a view that.....

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scholars also give a theory that hindus holy book *Manu Samarti * was actually the the holy book revealed to the prophet Nooh(as) ..the same prophet(pbuh) whose own son killed in azab of allah when the whole world flooded with water.....so Manu is actually the roots of Nooh.....

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I was astonished to hear few days before when i , for first time in my life , heard the original sansikrit wordings of vedas , manu samarti, puranas, bhagvat gita , upanishad .etc from the famous muslim scholar *Dr.zakir Naik **in the program The **similarities between hinduism and islam * on the *peace Tv *.. that there are many same things common in two great religions like ...prophibition of wine , pig, bribery, it is wriiten i think in Manu that woman should cover head ,and face also...prohibition of interest etc etc...these things are also in bible and torah Dr.Zakir quoted many simiralities but i have forgotten it right now...So it clearly shows that all religions...the basic point was same the oneness of god and the things which are prohibited in previous religions also prohibited in the islam religion ...however minute changes were there in all religious sriptures according to the needs of the people living at that age and social and geographical backgrounds but the real message is the same and most of the things which are pohibited in the hinduism , judaism , christianity are also prohibited in islam.....

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Thes minute changes were the different punisments of sins and something like tat for example in original bible ..it is written a woman who should not cover her head .. her punishment is o shave off her head but after 600 years the quran came and the previous shariah(religious ruling) was abondaned as it is the rule of allah that whenever he sends new book ..the old book as the old version of some textbook, has to be over ......this punisment was abondaned...although it is a strict ruling of covering the body and head for a muslim woman but never ever there is a ruling that a woman not observing this has to be shaved off...so shariah rulings change with time but basic message remains the same.......

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Although i was astoshied to hear when i saw the famous debate between Dr.Zakir Naik and *Sri Sri Shankar Jee **held on 21 of January,2006 in **Banglore **on the topic **Concept of God in Hinduism and Islam **that in Puranas , i think **18 **are valid by hindu scholars, there are many signs of the prophet Muhammad(peace be upon him) where he was mentiod as **Kalki Autar *...I forgot **the Ashlok no. and Khand no. **of that purana but it talks about that hwe will eat dates..migrate to place of dates and desert(madina) ..have its 4 companions(4 caliphs) ...will travel on very fast ridingas Burraq when he went to sky ....and many many more which are exactly the same as Muhammad(pbuh) id or happened to him... the same prophecies are also mentioed in bible like Barnabas and torah so it shows that hinduism was also a revealed religion but as time passed many of its scriptures have been chnged as the old people only by thier good brain listened and wrote the vedas wordings.....

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But Alhumdullilah ..i am not saying tis as i am a muslim..but all critics of west also accept this fact that right from 1400 years ....to this day...there is not even a missing of a comma in the holy quran...compare the millions of quranic books with the old ones like the quran on which usman(ra) blood flowed 1380 years old script of quran , i think, held in turkey museum also many old qurans like aurangzeb alamgir time ...akbar times...babar times or abbasid period are held in different musuems of different countries ... and many people have confirmed that these 900 1200 or 500 years old books have not a least change of a comma to the present day quran we have and this the promise of allah in quran that we have revealed this quran and we will protect it......

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Regarding peace in hinduism... i accept that this religion talks about peace ...infact the **gandhi jee **whole life was based **on Ahansa **means non-violence and our prophet(pbuh) also did it practically for **13 **years when he was in makkah.......

But we should not judge the religion by its followers ..we should always judge the religion what its scriptures say about the religion...unfortunately there are few muslims today which are responsible for a hatred and disunity in the world and producind the bad name of islam but it never means that what they are showing to the world is only islam...not at all...if few people individuals acted a different way..then it is totally unjustice that we will paste it on the whole community of muslims.......And this also happens because becaue unfortunately in all big issues and conflicts....muslims are directly or indirectly involved with this issues like palestine, iraq, iran , checniya, kashmir etc...so western media which had already in jewish hands ..used this tool to blame everything on muslims... i am not saying that muslims are innocents like pandas but most of the time it is exagerration...

So quran and islam talks about love , peace and humaniy...and says to kill a single person means killing the whole humanity..it neithe mentions that this person would be muslim alone..no its mention any person ...

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Infact in all countries there are always few extremists groups and sects as in pakistan as in india like RSS and Bal Thakray etc... i am not saying not in pakistan ...also they are extremists in pakistan but i think personally , majority of people of both religions love peace and humanity....as i have seen the debates of D.Zakir on Peace Tv... i must appreciate the open-midedness of hindu brothers and sisters that while in a talk ..Zakir Naik also become a bit hot and enthusiatic and also some hindu fellows ...yet they all listen to him with peace and quietness and i have seen many hindus and sikhs friens appreciating of telling them the true teachings of islam of love and humanity and many ahadees about love of humanity...that they first time heard tis as western media only tell that muslim means suicide bombers ,killers and such that etc .... many hindu girls are convinced by the modesty rules of islam ..yes bit touchy about the 4 marriage issus ..but yet the way of thier questions show that they respect the views of islams .........

It is unjustice that if i do not admit the people of india for the fact that a man openly condeming thier old views of religion , ut with logic and in light of thier own scriptures, yet they listen to him in a organised and civilized manner ... accepting it or not is a different thing...but i admit thier greatness .....

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And ys there is also many violence in india about muslims..but i think personally..they are just for a political purposes nothing else..to gain votes by arousing the people 's religious biasness....black mailing the people in name of religion ..as done by present president of BJP in 1992 in babri mosque while we or even muslims of india never heard about this mosque before ..as done by Nareender Moodi in gujrat in 2002 to gain votes...all political drammas ...infact many hindus organizations strictly condemn what happened in gujrat ...absolute engineered plan to kill muslims and thier businesses..Ballat kars of 6 years old girls in streets in front of people and all such vicious acts...many human rights organizations of idia reported it and media also opened this ......all is done so that Moodi is again in Gujrat as a BJP government while in centre and most of the provincesCongress is there......

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any views from hindu friends in particular and all respectable readers in general....

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Dawa-i-Dil,

You have raised several valid points and I salute your awareness about other faiths. Today the fight in the name of religions is simply because of vested interests found in all religions and present day Hinduism is no exception. You see in Hinduism every life form is supposed to be treated with respect but what did society create more than 1000 years ago, a monster of castiesm which was not propagated in scriptures but self styled custodians of religion created it. Result, a completely divided society. When a bad practice becomes institutionalised...it is easy to associate it with a religion and hence a blot on the religion.

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Good point.
2 things here when I tell you “next thing” dont start jumping on side track like most nonbeliever do(we have a term for them in islam blinded by ignorance)

OK now I answer you question

Rember when we were all monkeys???
2 species eveoled
not only homosebins(humans) there was another kind too. But they all died down.
Primary reason was they were vegitarians.

Now if you are strong enough to face the truth(which i highly doubt) do some spell chek on my most and then do some research.
You will know its important for our servival that we eat enimals.

If you try to jump on side track like this

Chinto: oh don’t u believe in adem and eve??
Then this discussion between me and you is over. Cuz I wold not have time to answer yor defensive logics.

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I beg to differ from you that you can survive only by eating animals. By this time population of the world should have reduced by 25% atleast if all vegetarians were to die. Species which do not adapt to changing environment become extinct. vegetarian or non-veg it doesn't matter. *
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Try replacing every diet/intake with non-vegetarian food and them come back. Baby survives and gets a strong immune system because of breastfeeding not because of beefburgers or frankfurters or meat lollypops.
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Thankyou for your reply…infact i am not a scholar .. i heard few lectures of Dr.Zakir Naik on Peace Tv..i think it will also be in india, in which he spoke about similarities between islam and hinduism…
regarding respect in hinduism it is true…but i have a little doubt about caste system as i remeber that i heard that in Manu Samarti there is written if a voice of a Brahaman reached the ears of a Shuddar ..then a melted lead should be poured in his ears ..further tahat a shuddar should walk atleast 40 steps away from a Brahaman… i am not sure but i have heard this…

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I am not saying that it was written in the original Manu as revealed by Allah but may be these caste system and other things the additions after the thousands of years as in quran that no book of the past is safed from the change as bible..as torah , new and old testaments etc...so same is the case with hindu religious scriptures....

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HG I fully agree with you..before we think with prejudice about caste system, let me make a few points clear that what casteism actually means.

I am surprised that majority of Indian folks are not aware about "Varna vyavastha" of Vedic Aryans and what was rationale behind that.
In fact Varnashrama was made for the uplift of society during ancient times so that all sections of the society can lead a civilized life and this was thousands of years back when there was no question or concept of any other religion.

We have to explore from where the word "Casteism" came in India, and how it became institutionalised and a cause for descrimination.

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Hindu society’s foundation was based on 4-Varn System: Braahman, Kshatriya, Vaishya, and Shoodr Varn.
16th century Christian missionaries coined a new term for this: Caste system. Let us see why they did it .
Caste is not a Bhaaratiya word but a derogatory epithet introduced by Portuguese (Christian) Missionaries in the 16th century to describe the Hindu society.Christian missionaries soon found out that Hindus would not trust them as they trusted Braahmans.
Xavier wrote in a letter to the Society of Christians: If it were not for the Braahmans, we should have all the heathens embracing our faith.19th century Macaulay introduced Christian Missionary English education system in BhaaratVarsh. Christian educators slowly poisoned the minds of unsuspecting Hindu children against Braahmans.
That was what Macaulay, again, summarized best when he proudly wrote his father in 1836: Macaulay: Our English schools are flourishing wonderfully ... It is my belief that if our plans of education are followed up, there will not be a single Hindu among the respectable classes in Bengal thirty years hence. [Michel Danino, Effects of Colonization on Indian Thought quoted in IndiaCause Newsletter 17 Aug 2003]

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During the Vedic time due to Varna arrangement all members of society had their hereditary jobs to do and they did not have to worry about their livelihood. Now, along with the Brahmin, members of other castes also gave up their traditional occupations for the jobs made available by the British in the banks, railways, collectorates, etc. With the introduction of machinery our handicrafts fell into decay and many of our artisans had to look for other means of livelihood. In the absence of any demarcation in the matter of work and workers, there arose competition for jobs for the first time in the country. It was a disastrous development and it generated jealousy, ill-will, disputes and a host of other evils among people who had hitherto lived in harmony.

Ill feelings developed between Brahmins and non-Brahmins also. How? Brahmins formed only a small percentage of the population. But they were able to occupy top positions in the new order owing to their intelligence which, as was the result of the "pedalling" done by their forefathers. They excelled in all walks of life- in administration, in academics, in law, in medicine, engineering and so on. The white man made his own calculations about developing animosity between Brahmins and non-Brahmins and realised that by fuelling it he could strengthen his hold on the country. He fabricated the Aryan-Dravidian theory of races and the seeds of differences were sown among children born of the same mother. It was a design that proved effective in a climate already made unhealthy by rivalry for jobs.

As if to exacerbate this ill-will, the Brahmin took one more disastrous step. On the one hand he gave up the dharma of his caste and joined hands with the British in condemning the old order by branching it a barbarous one in which one man exploited another. But, on the other hand, though he spoke the language of equality, he kept aloof from other castes thinking himself to be superior to them. If in the past he had not mixed physically with members of other castes, it did not mean that he had placed himself on a high pedestal. we must remember that there was a reason for his not coming into physical contact with other castes. There have to be differences between the jatis based on food, work and surroundings. The photographer needs a dark room to develop his films. To shoot a film, on the contrary, powerful lights are needed. Those who work in a factory canteen have to scrupulously clean; but those who dust machinery wear soiled clothes. This does not mean that the waiter in a canteen is superior to the factory hand who dusts machines. The man who takes the utmost care to keep himself intellectually bright, without any thought of himself, observes fasts, while the soldier, who has to be strong and tough, eats meat.

Why should there be bad feelings between the two, between the Brahmin and the Ksatriya? Does the Brahmin have to come into physical contact with the Ksatriya To prove that he does not bear any ill-will towards him? If he intertwined with the Ksatriya he would be tempted to taste meat and such a temptation might eventually drag him into doing things that militate against his own duty. Each community has its own duties, customs and food habits. If all jatis mixed together on the pretext of equality without regard to their individual ways of life, all work would suffer and society itself would be plunged into confusion.

It was with a definite purpose in view that the village was divided into different quarters: the agrahara (the Brahmin quarter), the agriculturists quarter and so on. Such a division was possible in rural life but not in the the new urban way of living. With urbanization and industrialization it becomes necessary for people belonging to various jatis to work together on the same shift, sit together in the same canteen to eat the same kind of food. The Brahmin for whom it is obligatory to observe fasts and vows and to perform various rites was now seen to be no different from others. Office and college timings were a hindrance to the carrying out of these rites. So the Brahmin threw them to the winds. He had so far taken care to perform these rites with the good of others in mind. Like a trustee, he had protected dharma for the sake of society and made its fruits available to all.

A question that arises in this context is how Vedic studies which had not suffered much even during Muslim rule received a severe set-back with the advent of the European. One reason is the impact of the new sciences and the machines that came with the white man. Granted that many a truth was revealed through these sciences- and this was all to the good up to a point. But we must remember that the knowledge of a subject per se is one thing and how we use it in practice ins another.

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The Brahmin spoiled himself and spoiled others. By abandoning his dharma he became a bad example to others. as a matter of fact, even by strictly adhering to his dharma the Brahmin in not entitled to feel superior to others. He must always remain humble in the belief that "everyone performs a function in society; I perform mine". If at all others respected him in the past and accorded him a high place in the society it was in consideration of his selfless work, his life of austerity a, discipline and purity. Now he had descended too such depths as to merit their most abrasive criticism.

It is my decided opinion that the Brahmin is responsible for the ruin of Hindu society. Some people have found an explanation for it. The Brahmin, if he is to be true to his dharma, has to spend all his time in learning and chanting the Vedas, in performance sacrifices, in preserving the sastras, etc. What will he do for a living? If he goes in search of money or material he will not be able to attend to his lifetime mission- and this mission is not accomplished on a part-time basis. And if he takes up some other work for his livelihood, he is likely to became lax in the pursuit of his dharma. It would be like taking medicine without the necessary diet regimen: the benign power gained by the Brahmin from his Vedic learning will be reduced and there will be a corresponding diminution in the good accruing to mankind from his work.

This is one reason why Brahmin alone are permitted by the sastras to beg for their living. In the past they received help form the kings_ grants of lands, for instance-in consideration of the fact that the dharma practised by them benefited all people. But the sastras also have it that the Brahmins must not accept more charity than what is needed for their bare sustenance. If they received anything in excess, they would be tempted to seek sensual pleasures and thereby an impediment would be placed to their inner advancement. There is also the danger of their becoming submissive to the donor and of their twisting the sastras to the latter's liking. It was with a full awareness of these dangers that in the old days the Brahmins practised their dharma under the patronage on the rajas(accepting charity to the minimum and not subjecting themselves to any influence detrimental to their dharma).

The argument of those who have found an excuse for the conduct of latter days Brahmins goes thus. "Brahmins ceased to receive gifts from rulers after the inception of British rule. How can you expect them to live without any income? Force of circumstances made them to English education and thereafter too seek jobs with the government. It is unjust to find fault with them on that score. "