your continuous whining of 'misinterpretation' is not gonna buy you anything nor its gonna force us declare harams as halals. He doesn't seem to be questioning "misinterpretation" as he has not brought forth any other 'fatwa' or understanding of the issue, rather he seems to be challenging the (basis of) religion
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If after 1400 years of the implementation of the perfect religion these questions are still being asked and answered differently by whichever mullah is answering, perhaps these are not religious questions at all and God does not care.
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There weren't the type of tattoos back then as we have now, so how'd you get allowed/not-allowed clearly on such issues? But you can surely get guidelines for them.... hence when question arises (due to lack of knowledge) you refer to the guidelines and extract the answer.
Nor will your constant whining about other people making valid points that you condescendingly refer to as whining.
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He doesn't seem to be questioning "misinterpretation" as he has not brought forth any other 'fatwa' or understanding of the issue, rather he seems to be challenging the (basis of) religion
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My point about misinterpretation here that it is incomprehensible that there exists a God-given rule on evertyhing from tatoos to brushing your teeth or that even if there were, it is based on interpretations of interpretations of what may or may not have been said hundreds of years ago.
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There weren't the type of tattoos back then as we have now, so how'd you get allowed/not-allowed clearly on such issues? But you can surely get guidelines for them.... hence when question arises (due to lack of knowledge) you refer to the guidelines and extract the answer.
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That's the problem of thinking every question in the world past, present or future was only answered by one man 1400 years ago and the many many interpretations and reporting of these 'rules' that may or may not have been accurate to begin with. But more importantly that these issues are even religious to begin with.
In your case, I agree that constant pointing of whining is not going to work.
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My point about misinterpretation here that it is incomprehensible that there exists a God-given rule on evertyhing from tatoos to brushing your teeth or that even if there were, it is based on interpretations of interpretations of what may or may not have been said hundreds of years ago.
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What is incomprehensible to you is very comprehensible to Muslims, if you don't understand an issue, you can simply ask rather than say its misinterpretation without bringing forth the other 'interpretation' in the religion.
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That's the problem of thinking every question in the world past, present or future was only answered by one man 1400 years ago and the many many interpretations and reporting of these 'rules' that may or may not have been accurate to begin with. But more importantly that these issues are even religious to begin with.
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No, that one man did not answer all the questions, he was source for a guideline to follow, you can chose to follow the guideline (and be a Muslim) or chose to follow your own line (and not be a Muslim).... the choice is yours, we - the Muslim - chose to follow the guideline.
If you were able to discern what is your 'judgment' and what is just contradictory to your biased beliefs, your claims of whining would be more effective.
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What is incomprehensible to you is very comprehensible to Muslims, if you don't understand an issue, you can simply ask rather than say its misinterpretation without bringing forth the other 'interpretation' in the religion.
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Ask whom? The intellectual giants on GS? My point is there ISN'T a God-given answer to every question under the sun, no matter how many different mullahs or hadith you sift through to find one.
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No, that one man did not answer all the questions, he was source for a guideline to follow, you can chose to follow the guideline (and be a Muslim) or chose to follow your own line (and not be a Muslim).... the choice is yours, we - the Muslim - chose to follow the guideline.
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That makes total sense - follow the man as a guideline - but not think that he had the answer to anything and everything and that someone recorded that answer accurately.
Sometimes its easier to ask friends rather than finding someone to ask. Everyone responds per their knowledge, its upto person asking to sift through and accept what makes sense to him, some people reply with references to hadith/quran or even point to a fatwa. Your point has value only for issues which are not 'clearly' spoken about, but then again for such issues you have 'guidelines'.
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That makes total sense - follow the man as a guideline - but not think that he had the answer to anything and everything and that someone recorded that answer accurately.
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The first thing as Muslim we do is check if it could be against Islam or if an opinion/fatwa already exists in Islam or not, thats what exactly mercenary2k did when he asked about tattoos.
Opinions are exactly that - opinions. Some of the most studied Muslims around have chosen the path of hate and terror - granted a small minority - but it shows the fallacy of relying on opinions or fatwas as if they are God-ordained rules. When asking if Islam permits it, one is really asking what the prevailing opinion is of what Islam permits. Outside of what is in the Quran and believed to be the word of God, isn't it all opinion? Even with hadith it is not known if it is 100% correct (the opinions or fatwas on haidth are again just that - opinions). From what I have read a lot of hadith are more of what was accepted in the culture of ancient Arabia, not directives from God. Following the guidlelines of a man doesn't mean that he gave answers to everything or even that you hang on every word that he ever said as if they were directives from God, otherwise, wouldn't they have been in the Quran and protected by God?
I know Muslims want to have the "complete" religion with answers to any and all questions, all wrapped up in a tidy package. But that is impossible, even if the religion were 'perfect'.
When people do sift through multiple opinions to come up with what makes sense to them, how could that possibly be "the Islamic answer" or seen as God's rules since it is just an opinion. I guess my whole point here is that we do need to is individually decide with our minds, hearts and souls what God wants from us and not expect there to be an official, God sanctioned directive on everything under the sun. I think a lot of that comes through prayer and I don't pretend to spend as much time or energy in prayer as Islam dictates.
The guy asked if in Islam it is allowed for someone to have a tattoo...
So to Seminole and HumanLikeYou...they have decided that they will folow a law from Islam because Islam is what they believe in him...thats their criteria...
What you two are doing is as silly as me telling a Chistian they cant drink wine cos in the Quran it says dont...
The guys asking 'What does Islam say about it'...so neither of your contributions are required...
And as for the topic...Its generally haraam and the evidence has eben provided...but as for Shias...i heard that they say its ok...any sources?
And evidently yours isn't either since you have no idea. It is apparent there is no 'law from Islam', which is what I'm saying - there can't be an 'Islamic law' for everything since the Quran is a relatively small book to include laws for everything in this life and the next. Which is very much on topic, much more than you saying "I heard" or "any sources?"
Ok mate...we dont follow his revelation(The Quran) but we follow his sayings and doings (Hadeeth)...When dealing with new realities we use ijtihad(dedeucing hukms from text)...Through these means we do actually have an answer to everything which is what Muslims believe...
And that is what the poster of the thread asked for...an answer from Islam and that is exactly what he got which renders your contribution useless...
We arent discussing whether Islam has the answer to all of mans problems in thsi thread...Its a Muslim who believes that the Quran has the answer to all of mans problems asking for a solution from Islam...and in turn it was provided...Its end of discussion then isnt it...Your going off topic...
Isn't it clear enough that the person is interested in Islamic/religious POV? Why is that YOUR problem if someone wants to know what religion says about some issue? If you don't follow a religion then it will be better to abstain from threads where someone is seeking religious advice/input. If you want to preach YOUR beliefs (or lack thereof) you can always open your own thread about it rather than poking your nose in other threads.
Fair enough - point taken. So why then did you (or another moderator) delete a thread I opened earlier entitled "Why are muslims unashamed" ?
Are you afraid of debate, or the possibility that flaws in your reasoning might be exposed?
ummm ya the 3 ink dots were permenant and ok if we do still find these type of people then that means that they are either ignoring the haram things in islam or there is sumthing about having those is allowed.... k its real late here and i dont kno if i made sense but hopefully ull get me =D
Actually to those of you who are so anti tattoos and talk n preach about Islam. I do not think you are better then anyone to judge saying they are disgusting or they ugly. It's their own choice they are aware of rights and wrongs and no one should be judging at all. I myself have tattoos and piercings and yet I pray and go to the mosque