Is France on the way to becoming an Islamic state?

Is France on the way to becoming an Islamic state?
By Barbara Amiel
(Filed: 26/01/2004)
http://www.opinion.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2004/01/26/do2601.xml

France, wrote Luigi Barzini, wouldn’t be the great and endearing country that it is, la lumière du monde, if its quarrelsome people had not been “moulded down the centuries by antagonisms and tensions between tribes, clans, cliques, classes, coteries, guilds, camarillas, sects, parties, factions, regions…” The French are ever at the barricades.
Last week the barricades were at the prime minister’s office, the Matignon, where the government was discussing the awkward business of France’s proposed new law designed to ban the Muslim headscarf from schools. The Bill, portentously named “Application of the Principle of Secularity”, will go to the National Assembly on Wednesday, with a peppy addition to ban beards from schools as well.

Dominique de Villepin, the foreign minister, gravely explained that the law is not aimed at any particular minority, community or religion, though there is, he said, some difficulty in making the essential tolerance of it clear to Arab countries.

Domenica Perben, the justice minister, felt the whole thrust of the issue revolved around the equality of men and women - which clears up why the French may be forcibly shaving prematurely mature Sikh schoolboys: they are a gender offset for de-scarfed female Muslims.
France is facing the problem that dare not speak its name. Though French law prohibits the census from any reference to ethnic
background or religion, many demographers estimate that as much as 20-30 per cent of the population under 25 is now Muslim. The streets, the traditional haunt of younger people, now belong to Muslim youths. In France, the phrase “les jeunes” is a politically correct way of referring to young Muslims.

Given current birth rates, it is not impossible that in 25 years France will have a Muslim majority. The consequences are dynamic: is it possible that secular France might become an Islamic state?

The situation is not dissimilar elsewhere in the EU. Europeans may at some young point in the 21st century have to decide whether they wish to retain the diluted but traditional Judaeo-Christian culture of their minority or have it replaced by the Islamic culture of the majority.
In theory, the cultural and legal assimilation of Europe’s Muslims would be the ideal. This was supposed to be the notion behind the vision of the French interior minister, Nicolas Sarkozy, of a “French church of Islam” with homegrown imams.

But knowledgeable observers say his “moderate” Council of Muslims has made radical Islam the government-sanctioned norm for all Muslims.
For Islamists, assimilation is contamination since, in Professor Bernard Lewis’s words, “Muslims must not sojourn in the land of the infidel”. Intermarriage should be another route to assimilation, though in France this usually involves an Islamic male and often the wife converts to Islam.

Meanwhile, the state of Christendom in France is perilous. Catholics may not have reached the secular nirvana of the Church of England’s working party that declared the Sunday Sabbath redundant, but French Catholicism, except for little pools of the faithful, is taken with the notion that their Church will be borne forward only if the next Pope is ready to “dialogue” with Islam - a code word that augurs dilution of the faith.
Currently, Islamists are only a fraction of France’s Muslim population. In last week’s demonstrations against the headscarf law, only 20,000 people turned out. But as in all radical movements, the young are the driving force. As their numbers increase, the militancy of Islam is likely to increase as well.

Europe’s chickens are coming home to roost. The Great Powers used the Commonwealth or La Francophonie to continue the fiction of Empire. Large numbers of people were admitted mainly from North Africa.
The borders of mainland France seemed extended to include Algeria. Guest workers arrived to satisfy needs for cheap labour. Unloved by their host country, they were marginalised in shabby living conditions, with no attempt made to assimilate them. Political refugees and asylum seekers moved in.

Early arrivals, such as the White Russians or the Ayatollah Khomeini and his supporters, never intended to assimilate. They were sitting out bad weather before returning home. More recent ones, who arrived because of Nato policies in the Balkans, have been greeted with hostility and distrust.

European countries are not organically immigrant societies. The groups that went to America in the 18th, 19th and 20th centuries did so specifically to become Americans. They wanted to shed their past and, within a generation, they did. America’s emphasis today on faith and God is just an echo of the founding Pilgrims for whom Christianity was central.

Their beliefs were reinforced by many Christian groups, from Baptists to Mennonites, all in search of religious freedom. These founding fathers decreed separation of church and state, not to make sure the nation was secular, as in France, but to make sure no state religion could interfere with religious freedom.

European countries have none of this melting-pot principle. You cannot become German or Italian with the same ease with which you become American. Also, into this very different European environment came a very different sort of immigrant - people who had no interest in assimilation at all.

They came as settlers, wanting to establish their own communities; at best they favoured a merger - at worst, a takeover. Their approach was nurtured by notions of multiculturalism, a creed appealing to intellectuals, administrators and enforcers, but having almost zero appeal to the home population.

The cultural abrasions that developed, especially between the rapidly growing Muslim community and the French, became the problem that could not be talked about. All respectable political parties, journalists and academics felt it too volatile and far too politically incorrect. The field was abandoned to extreme Right-wingers and nativists who, by default, established the unpleasant tone of the debate and became exclusive owners of a subject affecting the whole nation.

In the absence of openness, the government’s response was a cover-up - or, rather, an uncovering: to outlaw Muslim headscarves, shave beards worn for reasons of faith, or ban crucifixes if too large. In Britain, some school Nativity plays were forbidden.

There seemed to be a genuine belief among governments that they could solve this problem by violating Western traditions of religious freedom and by outlawing their own cultural traditions. Far from alleviating the situation, this only aggravated it. Worse, it gave fodder to the extreme Right.

Tribal friction has only two solutions: groups will either unite in the manner of Normans and Saxons, melding into a society that may have different religious practices but subscribes to the same laws and values - in which case headscarves, beards and demographics don’t matter a fig. Or they will follow the pattern of warring tribes throughout history.
The question is not whether French and Muslims can co-exist with each other so long as Muslim schoolgirls are bareheaded. Rather, it is the fundamental question of whether Muslim groups will become part of the French nation. This is not one of those old “querelles gauloises” that Barzini so loved. It is the fundamental dilemma of the new century.

Comment:

The strength of the Islamic dawah in Europe is scaring western governments. The reason for this is that they have lost the intellectual argument to convince muslim to become secular like them and hence are using force to integrate the muslims e.g the hijab ban in france and elsewhere. Islam was not spread by the sword or violence but it was propagated by the Islamic dawah using Hikmah and wisdom to convince non-muslims to abandon worshipping of false things and to come to the worship of the creator whose signs exist wherever one chooses to look.

Articles like this should motivate the muslims living in Europe to hold fast to our deen tightly and increase our dawah inshaAllah.

Re: Is France on the way to becoming an Islamic state?

I think the author bumped her head towards the end, as going by her earlier comments on a forward projection of 25 years, Muslim groups will be the French nation.

Re: Is France on the way to becoming an Islamic state?

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Islam was not spread by the sword or violence but it was propagated by the Islamic dawah using Hikmah and wisdom to convince non-muslims to abandon worshipping of false things and to come to the worship of the creator whose signs exist wherever one chooses to look.

Articles like this should motivate the muslims living in Europe to hold fast to our deen tightly and increase our dawah inshaAllah.
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From this article, it appears that Islam is spreading through Eurpoe more because of immigration and an overall lack of family planning than any convincing argument...

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*Originally posted by Chota: *

I think the author bumped her head towards the end, as going by her earlier comments on a forward projection of 25 years, Muslim groups will be the French nation.
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Indeed.

Btw, the same goes for Belgium and the Netherlands, which have the same proportion of Muslims as France i.e. some 10% of the population, rising massively year on year. If North-western Europe turning majority Muslim in another generation scares some people, then one should also look at the rapidly changing demography in countries in South-Eastern Europe - Albania, Bosnia, Bulgaria, Macedonia, Montenegro and Serbia all who will be majority Muslim in another generation based on similar studies.

From the North and from the South the Muslims are taking over...:)

I read an interesting article that says that within 50-60 years, in Europe we could be seeing the creation of another Islamo-European culture, such as Muslim Spain, which just like Muslim Spain would rise to intellectual and cultural prominence over much of the Muslim world.

Speaking of current trends.

The muslim countries are also saying they face a problem, they have to face muslims born and bred in Europe the heart of secularism who then come over to muslim lands join with there brothers there and are spreading the dawah of islam as a political force.

And the governments cannot defeat this dawah intellectually and have now resorted to intimidation, prison and torture!

As for Europe it is ironic that in places like London and Paris you have muslims calling for islamic systems and state, the population numbers have increased this has been a known fact for decades. If you compare the 2 Britiain is still a clever sly fox they try to be nice to the muslims and are trying to integrate them by being nice to them where as France arrogant as ever using the more harsh methods and banning hijab arresting people, harrassing them etc.

The carrot and stick methods will both fail no matter who uses them britain, france whoever!

They plot and plan, and Allah too plans, but the best of planners is Allah.[tmq] surah al anfal: 30

Anyone have any actual figures on any of this broken out for the whole of Europe?

the question to ask is.. "Is the Religion Forum on the way to becoming the World Affairs forum"?