Or some of the things are just suggestions or advice.
Some things in Quran have been mandated by telling us that it is Halal or Haram . For example Blood is haram. Flesh of certain animals is halal.
For somethings it is said that they are hudood ullah ( boundaries of Allah) so they become mandatory or Farz.
For example laws of inheritance.
About somethings Allah says that they have been written for you . They become mandotory. For example Salat/namaz.
Then there is some advice. For example a Muslim male has the option to marry upto four women at a time but it is not mandatory or Farz/d.
So what makes something mandatory or farz/d on a Muslim ?
A clear order from Allah and his clearly defined boundaries , and some other things which Allah says have been written by Allah for us.
But there are many things in Quran which come under the guise of advice but many scholars and many sects have made them mandatory/fard/farz. Why is it so ?
I recon hijab will fall under the category of advice but not as a fard.
I would consider the verses which tell us that a Muslim male can marry a woman of faith but a Muslim woman should not be married to people of faith as advice too.
And the permission to males to marry upto four women at a time will be a suggestion , not even an advice.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
U know Mirch, some things just cant be orders, Or I should Cant be implemented as orders.
For example "treat you wife with kindness" of "taking care" of any one(kids/parents etc)
Like all that comes from inside a person's heart. So I say those are suggestion, OR a way of life, we need to work towards.
But "don't hurt any one" "No bribe" are orders which need to implemented, period!!
since you have admitted before that you are capable of making ijtihad and you are self learned shakyh then why ask such questions to awam (laypeople) on the board? However, as I a fellow believer, it is my job to remind you to not to speak without knowledge. We understand the Qur'an how the Messenger of Allah (sal-allahu 'alayhi wa sallam) taught us and how the pious scholars from first three Muslim generations taught us and those who followed it afterward. You have categoriezed certain clear commands as commands because it pleases your nafs and then you have categoriezed certain clear commands as suggestions/advices because it doesn't please your nafs and you provide no reasoning or evidence for it.
Let's speak in langauge which you may understand:
1 - How did you reach the conclusion that hijaab is an advice? Would you then also say that the command to men to lower gaze is also an advice? If you disagree, why not?
2 - How did you reach the conclusion that men marrying to women from people of book and women not marrying to other faiths is an advice?
For example "treat you wife with kindness" of "taking care" of any one(kids/parents etc)
so you are saying, we do not have treat our wives kindly? We do not have to take care of our parents, abuse them and whatever? here you two are suggesting more evidence for people to carry on their act of jahliyyat (in the name of Islam). And if someone does it, then you two will be first one here saying "this is not from Islam, etc. etc."
So Mirch, do you see the problem with your methodology? You are not helping Islam at all by trying to "modernize" it!
so you are saying, we do not have treat our wives kindly? We do not have to take care of our parents, abuse them and whatever? here you two are suggesting more evidence for people to carry on their act of jahliyyat (in the name of Islam). And if someone does it, then you two will be first one here saying "this is not from Islam, etc. etc."
So Mirch, do you see the problem with your methodology? You are not helping Islam at all by trying to "modernize" it!
naheen, I am saying Quran has more depth than most of us think.
since you have admitted before that you are capable of making ijtihad and you are self learned shakyh then why ask such questions to awam (laypeople) on the board? However, as I a fellow believer, it is my job to remind you to not to speak without knowledge. We understand the Qur'an how the Messenger of Allah (sal-allahu 'alayhi wa sallam) taught us and how the pious scholars from first three Muslim generations taught us and those who followed it afterward. You have categoriezed certain clear commands as commands because it pleases your nafs and then you have categoriezed certain clear commands as suggestions/advices because it doesn't please your nafs and you provide no reasoning or evidence for it.
Let's speak in langauge which you may understand:1 - How did you reach the conclusion that hijaab is an advice? Would you then also say that the command to men to lower gaze is also an advice? If you disagree, why not?
2 - How did you reach the conclusion that men marrying to women from people of book and women not marrying to other faiths is an advice?
I have all spelled it all out in my first post. If you cannot comprehend it then I cannot help it.
Instead of asking me how I reached to the conclusions , if you have any strong arguments against my understanding and you can prove with the help of Quran ,hadees or any tafseer or with the help of your own ijtehad , you are more then welcome to do so.
You do not have to be bitter and you do not have to start name calling and there is no need for any pointless comments and judgments you are passing.
Thank you in advance for your co-operation in keeping this a non personal academic discussion.
If you do not have any understanding of Quranic Arabic I would advise you to stay out of this discussion. As for understanding and knowledge of Quran and Hadees and Sunnat. I have spent more than 8 years to understand and learn this religion . I am still learning and this discussion is part of that learning process.
Simply put, everything is an order. Disobedience from some orders may bring higher repercussion than others
The permission to marry four women is an order , guidance , advice , boundary or suggestion ?
The permission to eat from the inheritance of orphans and permission to marry an orphan girl is an order ? I guess not .
^It's guidance and order in the hindsight lest you (in general) violate that which is permitted and marry more than four and/or not treat them equally. Because the complete verse of Quran regarding that is, and i paraphrase:
[quote] Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice. Surah An-Nisa
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Now on the topic:
I believe:
It is an order for the believers.
It is a warning for those who have no faith or do not believe, and lack the rightful fear of God Almighty, hence the accounts of nations before and their fates.
It is a good tiding for all that gives hope, and a way to achieve the blessing of the Creator.
It's all inclusive (for me anyways).
Instead of asking me how I reached to the conclusions , if you have any strong arguments against my understanding and you can prove with the help of Quran ,hadees or any tafseer or with the help of your own ijtehad , you are more then welcome to do so.
learn some science of common sense, the burden of proof is not upon my shoulder until you prove your claims. Have you proven them? Once you do, then we can talk about tafseer and all that. What's the point of bringing tafseer when you are going to reject it and you can perform ijtihad yourself?
You do not have to be bitter and you do not have to start name calling and there is no need for any pointless comments and judgments you are passing.
I simply repeated what you stated in another thread. Show me where I resort to personal insults, specifically name calling? Please stop lying against me!
Thank you in advance for your co-operation in keeping this a non personal academic discussion.
lol, bro acadmeic discussion takes place among the people of knowledge. Maybe you consider yourself knowledgable but I do not. Hence, there will no acadmic discussion.
If you do not have any understanding of Quranic Arabic I would advise you to stay out of this discussion.
neither do you or rest of the memebers, nor you placed any conditions in the first post. I will stay away from it from now on.
As for understanding and knowledge of Quran and Hadees and Sunnat. I have spent more than 8 years to understand and learn this religion . I am still learning and this discussion is part of that learning process.
masha'Allah it is good that you have spent 8 years. It is also shocking that you spent 8 years studying Islam yet you never understood what the mufsreen have stated in the tafsir of these ayaat and here you are aksing the laypeople for some sort of help. I'm sorry if i doubt your intentions but I think you lack ikhlaas.
I would yet again advice to everyone to not to speak without knowledge! Let us refrain from stating our own opinions and refer to those who have knowledge!
I would yet again advice to everyone to not to speak without knowledge! Let us refrain from stating our own opinions and refer to those who have knowledge!
So take your own advice and stay out of it. You do not seem to have the right knowledge and qualifications to discuss this topic. You are just doing pointless rambling.
When we discuss faraidh, I think first it needs to be understood the repercussions of not acting upon the faraidh. When I say not acting upon them meaning denying them as faraidh or failing to act upon but not denying that they are fardh on a muslim. For example, denying that Salaj is a fardh and not praying because of this belief puts you outside Islam whereas knowing it is a fardh but yet failing pray makes you a big sinner yet a you stay a muslim of some degree because you have not compromised your belief yet your actions do not reflect your beliefs.
So take your own advice and stay out of it. You do not seem to have the right knowledge and qualifications to discuss this topic. You are just doing pointless rambling.
Please read carefully what people say before going around and making random accusations and comments. I said "Let us" and that obviously includes myself as well. Unlike you, I do not claim to be self learned mujtahid, nor I accuse and lie against people, allhamdulillah. You call it pointless rambling because you got nothing to back your dubious claims.
Mirch Bhai