Is celebrating love not a part of our culture?

Painter Ustah Allah Bakhsh depiction of Heer Ranjha

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Re: Is celebrating love not a part of our culture?

what do you mean by celebration?

Though Heer Ranjha might have been sung in a chopal of Punjab and Sassi punhoo in a Otaq of Sindh, but both cultures did not encourage PDA and the love birds dating openly as is the concept of Valentine day.

We are the culture, where ladies still avoid calling their husbands with their first name (munne ke abba being outdated one, but 'wo', 'unke', etc are the words to refer hubby), but Valentine's day bring a new culture in picture, where Samina says to Sajjad 'I Love you' through message displayed on TV.

Did Heer say 'I love you' to Ranjha like today's love birds?

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Those days, Kabootar used to deliver messages… Time has changed. :hmmm:

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Everything changes, but our part of world still have some taboos for openly expressing love (the kind of love western societies celebrate on Valentine day).

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Dang bewafa Samina. Sajjad ke liye tv per ads, aur hamari baari main khalee peeli masjid ke loudspeaker se ilaan ker wa diya

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hum ne farzi naam diye the magar yahan to lo aap apne daam main sayyad aa gaya :)

Re: Is celebrating love not a part of our culture?

In my opinion celebration of love could be any expression in which affection for one another is depicted....be it through illustration, poetry or even something as simple as three words uttered or written.....

As for encouraging PDA (between married couples and not dating ones)....there are many taboos in our culture and this is one that I believe needs to be eradicated. What exactly is wrong with a husband and wife expressing their feelings for each other? I think more children in our culture need to grow up seeing this sort of "halal" behaviour.

I don't know if I would take it as far as adopting Valentine's Day but I don't think that we should continue to uphold backwards theologies where openly admitting your love for your spouse should be something to look down upon.

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Agreed that many taboos need to be eradicated, but I don't think a commercial occasion like Valentines Day would do any miracles to achieve this.

Its just one day and to be very honest, I feel such occasions very superficial. They are just imposed on the grounds 'Others are doing that, so lets we do that also'. Not that I'm against expression of love through the means you mentioned in your post, but we need to understand that each culture got different boundaries to cherish relationships. Such boundaries are very much connected with the prevalent religions in those cultures. If we try to adapt a foreign culture, may be our own culture don't put that much resistance, which our religious values demand rightly or wrongly).

I remember once I had an argument with my friend (though he offers namza 5 times a day, but he is not typical molvi to tag haaza haram, haaza makrroh). He heard some colleague saying that the Prophet was romantic towards his wives and he objected to use word romance with Prophet. When I asked him 'whats wrong with word romance? Its natural feeling between the spouse / couples'. His reply was 'I don't accept this word, as I perceive not in a holy way to be attached with a personality like prophet'. Moral of the story is: We need to be very careful to adapt something which is alien to our society, as both our culture and religion got some restrictions. We need to bring / develop something original to eradicate taboos, rather than borrowing concepts like V-Day.

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I totally agree on your view of Valentine's Day being just one day, commercial, et al and I don't see any need to adopt it wholesale. No arguments there.

The bolded part is where my concern falls. What is wrong with suggesting that our beloved prophet pbuh was "romantic" with his wives? It is a quality that should be cherished and appreciated....not buried away or hidden under the guise of shame. How does a husband being affectionate and romantic towards his wife make him less than respectable? Should we not exemplify such acts so as to encourage the same behaviour in society?

We are keen to imitate him in every other aspect but when it comes to something that could lead to the fulfillment of a carnal need (i.e one that is also considered a right of the husband upon his wife and the wife upon her husband), we find that less than "holy". I'm afraid that I can't agree.

Certainly there are restrictions.....I would hesitate to use language that is crude or vulgar to describe the act but to deny the existence of such feelings is ridiculous and lends itself to the belief that, na'auzibillah, huzoor s.a.w. was anything more than a mortal human being.

And I disagree also with bringing or developing something original to eradicate taboos. Let's begin with just accepting that which must have existed and not hide perfectly natural feelings behind an unnecessary veil of piety.

As an aside: notice your reference to the fact that your friend is a practicing Muslim, though not "molvi". this suggests that you respect him and value his opinions therefore if he believes that associating the word "romance" is not appropriate for a holy and revered personality, he must be right. <-- this is where the taboos begin or are reinforced. this is what we need to change.

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I didn't agree with his view, but I did respected his views as I know when it comes to his own life, he will not be a rigid molvi. Sometimes arguing on beliefs does not do any good and we just need to move on.

As far as my personal opinion on romanticism is concerned, I don't lose any opportunity to bring prophet's life to convey that we should all be very much caring with our families. A few weeks back, my assistance (again a religious person. He is in Tableegh activities) asked for half day. He himself told that it is his first wedding anniversary and his wife want to celebrate by inviting some relatives on dinner. He was somewhat shy while telling that and added 'I have told my wife that we are just inviting people for dinner and its not anniversary celebration'. I asked him whats the harm if its an invitation to celebrate an important event in your life. I don't find any thing un-Islamic in that.

Then I discussed with him (while raising some questions) like why our scholars on mimber only convey one bitter version by quoting ahadees like angels curse all night to a lady who deny right to husband? Why don't they convey prophet's life when he used to race with Hazrat Aisha or the way he remembered friends of Hazrat Khadija even after her death. He said that in our Tableeghi dauras, we have been told that Prophet taught Hazrat Aisha how to prepare (goondh) aata for making roti. I asked him that these are not told with that frequency like the ahadees for angels cursing ladies.

Again I would stick to my view that we can eradicate taboos by referring to hidden areas of our culture and religion.

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Definitely agree.

Re: Is celebrating love not a part of our culture?

Ancient India had many thing romantic, not only Hindu gods are romantic but Kamsutra, or concept like NagarVadhu were also there.
Now after centuries of change " love between partners" is not celebrated much.

Love is often condemned trough by sanskar and samaj.