OP is a retard..
what next? is celebrating allowed in Islam?
common sense isn't even common anymore.
I don't think the creation of Pakistan is something to celebrate. It represents a Muslim loss!
I find this very shocking and insulting. Can you please open a new thread on this topic and elaborate more on this philosophy of yours. I do not want to say anything here on it for fear of derailing the thread.
I find this very shocking and insulting. Can you please open a new thread on this topic and elaborate more on this philosophy of yours. I do not want to say anything here on it for fear of derailing the thread.
grow a back bone.
Something a mula doesnt like or sumething he cant explain or anything that proofs him wrong is bidah ? :biggthumb
Peace Ma Mooli
No ... bringing in of religious act does not make it bid'a. Making the occassion itself into a religious act, is. By bringing in religious acts into it and making that a habit may turn the activity into a religious act in itself in future.
But the main concern is not the ibadah done as a result of the occassion it is the occassion itself. I don't think the creation of Pakistan is something to celebrate. It represents a Muslim loss!
However, we have it as a stark reminder a time to think and mend our ways not to rejoice and celebrate.
okay, so as long as it is recognised as a non religious event per se, any religious act is not to be considered bidah?
Re: Is celebrating independence day allowed islamically ?
^ exactly
Re: Is celebrating independence day allowed islamically ?
Arz karna tha kai Mall Road par silencer nikal kar Honda 125 , thori one wheeling , thora shugal mela, thorai caro mai machis bum phaikna,thora aham aham ! ghair islami ya bidaat tau nai ?
Arz karna tha kai Mall Road par silencer nikal kar Honda 125 , thori one wheeling , thora shugal mela, thorai caro mai machis bum phaikna,thora aham aham ! ghair islami ya bidaat tau nai ?
Peace Kaka-Manna
That is precisely the fear. Celebration should be structured too. It should be structured in accordance with the rules of Islam. The idea of relaxing all social rules and moral conduct during celebrations comes from the unIslamic West. Islam encourages more worship in celebratory times.
Re: Is celebrating independence day allowed islamically ?
Islam encourages more worship in celebratory times.
but then that would be bid'aa no? heheh
i can just imagine the outrage at praying nafal when celebrating basant...
Our celebrations are two - Eid ul Fitr and Eid ul Adha
My post was saying the purpose of celebration in Islam is to increase worship.
If we do not celebrate shab a barat then we will be deprived of all those nice aromatic , tasty halwas of shab a barat , if we do not celebrate koonday we will be deprived of those delicious poories . If we do not celebrated giarween shareef we will miss that giarween key biryani. If ashoora is not celebrated we will never get to know there is such a delicacy called haleem/khitcha.
Aap ka bus chalay toh sub ko bhooka maar dain.
Our religious festivals are two. that doesnt necessarily eliminate other festivals, just doesnt give them positive Islamic significance.
Re: Is celebrating independence day allowed islamically ?
Code_red, you are a fitna geer.
Code_red, you are a fitna geer.
What do you expect from mod of R&S forum ?:)
Re: Is celebrating independence day allowed islamically ?
Jesus H CHRIST!!!!!!
Alright here is the definitive answer:
YES youi are allowed to celebrate make merry whatever on any day.
Only one precaution: if you want to celebrate independence, make sure you are independent.
Judging by the state of PK and your "question" here, may be there is no independence to celebrate at either levels
I find this very shocking and insulting. Can you please open a new thread on this topic and elaborate more on this philosophy of yours. I do not want to say anything here on it for fear of derailing the thread.
Peace Mirch bro
If I have insulted then I should not open a thread on this topic, but rather I should end it here, for causing offense is not the Islamic etiquette. I am sorry to have offended you, I meant not so.
If we do not celebrate shab a barat then we will be deprived of all those nice aromatic , tasty halwas of shab a barat , if we do not celebrate koonday we will be deprived of those delicious poories . If we do not celebrated giarween shareef we will miss that giarween key biryani. If ashoora is not celebrated we will never get to know there is such a delicacy called haleem/khitcha. Aap ka bus chalay toh sub ko bhooka maar dain.:D
Shab e barat and the rest of what you have mentioned are not holidays in Islam, but special days for more worship due to certain events. The benefit of these days are not in the food but in the reward linked to the ibadah.
Our religious festivals are two. that doesnt necessarily eliminate other festivals, just doesnt give them positive Islamic significance.
Similar point to that of Mirch ... Peace bro ravage
My conversation to you was about the bid'a in worship associated with festivities that are non-Islamic. I said all of our festivities are Islamic in that they are designed to increase our level of worship, but in earlier posts it should be made clear that there is more than just this requirement. We must look at the purpose of what we are celebrating too. If the purpose is for celebrating an unIslamic historical event then though the action of worship is good, what good can the celebration itself be?
Then to do extra worship or a special type of worship passing on a given event which is not spoken of in the hadith to assume that it is preferable or required is most definitely a bid'a.
Re: Is celebrating independence day allowed islamically ?
fine.. take worship out of the equation if you think its bidaa.
then your objection seems to be that the event under consideration itself is unIslamic. How so?
Re: Is celebrating independence day allowed islamically ?
Peace Mirch bro
Similar point to that of Mirch ... Peace bro ravage
My conversation to you was about the bid'a in worship associated with festivities that are non-Islamic. I said all of our festivities are Islamic in that they are designed to increase our level of worship, but in earlier posts it should be made clear that there is more than just this requirement. We must look at the purpose of what we are celebrating too. If the purpose is for celebrating an unIslamic historical event then though the action of worship is good, what good can the celebration itself be?
Then to do extra worship or a special type of worship passing on a given event which is not spoken of in the hadith to assume that it is preferable or required is most definitely a bid'a.
Imo, any kind of worship is preferable to non, but i agree in that saying it required or wajib, may deem it bidah.
The celebration itself may not have any good or bad associations, but if you can make it good, then why not? Islam wasnt sent to reject culture altogether, but merely embraces it by brininging it within its folds.
So if by bringing ibadah in a non religous significant event, means you will actually gain something out of it, imo it is inline with the true spirit of islam, because that is exactly what it means; when they say islam is actually a way of life.
Imo, any kind of worship is preferable to non, but i agree in that saying it required or wajib, may deem it bidah.
The celebration itself may not have any good or bad associations, but if you can make it good, then why not? Islam wasnt sent to reject culture altogether, but merely embraces it by brininging it within its folds.
So if by bringing ibadah in a non religous significant event, means you will actually gain something out of it, imo it is inline with the true spirit of islam, because that is exactly what it means; when they say islam is actually a way of life.
Peace Ma Mooli
That is true, but not always. When there are aspects of culture that are incompatible with religion those aspects are forbidden outright, but those which could have a bearing on compatibility are modified.
For example:
The Arabs used to rub blood on the head of their babies as a gesture of thanks to God for the child. Muhammad (SAW) modified this rasm to the use of saffron water. The intent was the same but the method was made better.
So in the case of the adoption of celebration of independence day first we must look to see how such practices have been adopted, if not modified if not rejected in the past.
My sole reason for not celebrating independence day is based on the mindset behind the gesture of independence. What are we proud of? Are we supposed to be proud? Are we not supposed to be humble? Has what we died and fought over been realised? Or has something else happened? Are we perceived as a noble nation in the world? If not why not? Why are we not striving to live in this country of pride instead of trying our level hardest to live elsewhere instead?
So then what is to be celebrated ... we can pray and do ibadah, but that will not change the intent of the celebration. The intent will be the same it wil just be embellished with worship and made to seem like a valid and good thing to do, but if first it is established that it has a good incentive then perhaps the methods can be modified, but if the criteria for intent has failed then no amount of modification to the method of the celebration will make the slightest bit of difference.
Judging by the state of PK and your "question" here, may be there is no independence to celebrate at either levels
this is sadly true. The sacrifices made for independence seem to have gone for naught. After 62 years, there hasn't been a stable government, independence from colonial master and freedom for all citizens