Re: Is Allah above the Arsh or everywhere?
Bismillah
feel free and I think this forum has an option to ban/ignore a user. Maybe you can also request them to make a new button which blocks only the “wahabis”. Please don’t waste your time to refute me, I’m nobody but you can certainly pay heed to words of Allah, His Messenger (sal-allahu alayhi wa salaam) and hundreds of statements from the Salaf. You can refute them all you want!
that’s exactly what it implies. If Allah is not in His creation, neither He is outside of His creation then where is He!!? Such a belief clearly means that He is just a imaginative figure or He doesn’t exist. What does this statement even mean? From the perspective of creation, there are only two realms 1) inside creation and 2) outside of creation. If something is in neither of them then it means it’s no where which implies non-existent. There is not third way to explain it no matter how you twist it around.
Of course, hareem will bring out his bazooka and start firing the missile which screams out “he’s a wahabi, don’t listen to wahabis”. But I am going to quote a scholar for our benefit insha’Allah. Imam al-Dahahbi says in his al-Uluww, a book dedicated to this subject quoting hundreds of textual statements to prove that Allah is above the throne separate from His creation:
As for the third saying which came about finally, then it said that “Allah is not in a place, neither outside of it, nor above His Throne, neither connected to the creation nor disconnected from it, His Holy Essence is neither spatially confined nor distinct from His creation, neither is He in any directions nor outside of directions, neither this nor that, neither this nor that…”
This is something which neither makes sense nor can be understood! Not to mention the opposition to the ayaat and narrations that is found within this saying. So flee with your deen and beware of the views of the Mutakallimeen (speculative-theological rhetoricians) [al-'Uluww, p.268]
and indeed Allah knows best
@pysch
bro, I’ll reply to your post later, insha’Allah but please quote something from the Salaf, the first three generations. It is well known that some of the latter scholars fell into error so quoting them doesn’t prove your point.