Is Allah a he?

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Originally posted by Infoman:
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I infact used the koran to prove to you that it is man made not divine.Kapeesh!**
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Yes to yourself! and just remain content by that fact and stop posting about Islam from now on. You will not change our belief.

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"Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things." -Noble Qur'an (002.256) **

[This message has been edited by Astronut (edited August 29, 2001).]

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Originally posted by Infoman:
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I never said allah doesn't exist. I said what your thinking of allah is is false. Just like your claim that non-muslims' belief on their interpretation of god is false. I infact used the koran to prove to you that it is man made not divine.Kapeesh!**
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whata scholar you are! without reading Quran, without understanding Arabic you proved something that no one could do in 1400 years man, you are some genius.... but still worshipping idols, what kind of genius would do that?

We oughta be Changez like, don't we?

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Allah is not HE but only the term is used to refer to ALLAH is 'HE/HIM'. Only this term is sex based.

Allah was neither born to someone, nor gave birth to anyone nor does have any desires of any of the two sexes.

Islam does not promote 'idolatory', its your vision/thoughts which makes you conclude that. Islam does not ask people to use man-made creations to be considered as GOD or mediators, in fact it is condemned.

where does your claim originate 'Islam promotes idolatory'? try to keep Hinduism away for a while if you can.

We oughta be Changez like, don't we?

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Allah is a spirit. Allah do not have any Sex.
Concept of Allah is created by mankind which really doesn't exist. This concept is created to disciplene human behaviour.

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The Quranic word which is used to Address Allah (SWT) is “HU”. As known, the word “HU” in the original Koran al-Karim is translated as “HE” into English.
Let us try to think and realize our essence that is referred by saying “I.”
Let us turn toward the core of a matter and zoom into it, descending to the dimensions of molecules - atoms - neutrons - neutrino - quarks and quanta, gradually. Let us then try our best to imagine the reality at a dimension of particle-waves. Here, all this is a dimensional ascendance or what is known as “Miraj” (Ascension).
The word “HU” in Arabic denotes a “dimensional-beyond” in terms free of quantity and quality!
Consider now the meaning that I’ve mentioned about “HU” and compare it with the meaning of the word “He,” which denotes the third person in the English language. Moreover, consider the conceptional confusion caused by the alteration of the meaning of the word “HU” into what people are used to understand from “He!”
How correct can the truth be approached if the “HU” is understood as a god with a sex while it is intended to mean the “point of ONENESS of universal dimensions?”
How can an understanding of a “male/father god” recognized as the concrete behind the abstract, match with what is in reality free form being described with the attributions of limitlessness and infinity even?
What's more, this should particularly be understood that…
The universe known as infinite to us is an aspect only “<” made of a single “pin-point” (nokta) in a single “moment” (an)!
It is only an aspect “<” made up from a single “point” in the plane of infinity.
Everything that we refer with the terms “universe” and “universes within the universe” takes part in such an aspect -"<"- only.
Everything that takes part in that aspect “<” and a “pin-point” itself where they all dwell in, is “HU’s” creating in a single moment only within “HU’s moments”.
We are in just in a “universe” out of universes, that are created from a single “point” in only one single “moment” within countless “points” of countless “moments.”
What is known as “Insan-i Qamil” (Universal Consciousness) or as “Haqiqat-i Mohammedi” is a being made of such a single “pin-point”!
“POINT,” however, is nothing more than a “witticism” (nukte)!
“HU” is a “wit” at the sight of “points,” while it is the Creator (khaliq) of countless “points”!
“HU” brings to existence all that was created from a “point” within HU's knowledge (ilm), with a stuff of illusion!
“HU” also denotes Who is “GANI” (transcendent) from all that was mentioned...
This is the truth (haqiqat) denoted by the noun “HU” that Muslims are required to realize?

However Allah (SWT) has been addressed, as HE throughout the history of Islam and this has become a norm.

And only Allah (SWT) knows all.

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Infoman

Being a GNOSTIC, you are always gonna be fascinated by the sexuality of God.

This is an article of Faith for your Society.
You have argued for centuries that God should not be addressed as HE, because God could be SHE.

Another voice of a Kafir is not gonna make the slightest difference to any Muslim in the world. And especially not to the Qur'aan.

What you should be concentrating on is two things.

  1. Learn the Arabic language so that you may know what the word HU means and

  2. Start preparing to fulfill the challenge of the Qur'aan, which I have posted to you numerous times.

In case you forgot, here it is agian:

002.023 And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our servant, then produce a Sura like thereunto; and call your witnesses or helpers (If there are any) besides Allah, if your (doubts) are true.

002.024 But if ye cannot- and of a surety ye cannot- then fear the Fire whose fuel is men and stones,- which is prepared for those who reject Faith.

I just love quoting this ayat to people like you, as I know it can never be achieved.

With this ayat, we will always be SUPERIOR to the likes of you!!!!

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Here's something I saw:

When God created man, she was joking.

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In case you forgot, here it is agian:

002.023 And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our servant, then produce a Sura like thereunto; and call your witnesses or helpers (If there are any) besides Allah, if your (doubts) are true.

002.024 But if ye cannot- and of a surety ye cannot- then fear the Fire whose fuel is men and stones,- which is prepared for those who reject Faith.

I just love quoting this ayat to people like you, as I know it can never be achieved.

With this ayat, we will always be SUPERIOR to the likes of you!!!!**
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that's the DUMBEST challange i've ever heard of.

who's going to be the objective judge of all of that? since the quran is a work of literature, this "challange" is all SUBJECT to individual opinion.

You know,

I personally prefer the the Buddhist Dhammapada to the Qur'an.

and the Ancient Egytpian/KMT Papyrus of Ani (which IMO, the bible (new and old tst), the qur'an ALL drew heavily from)

(..........everyday when you say amen/ameen, you bear witness to amun-ra? and then preach and then turn around and preach worshipin false Gods is an unforgivable sin?................)

and the works of James Allen: The Path to Prosperity, The Mastery of Destiny, The Way of Peace, and Entering the Kingdom

The Quran to me is a mass of ramblings with a few gems of wisdom here and there..............but that's just my opinion.

[This message has been edited by i-n-i (edited August 30, 2001).]

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I-N-I

Obviously it is the dumbest thing you have heard, because you cannot meet the challenge no matter how hard you try!!

Sour grapes or what!

Even the Nawabiyan Cult lead by Dr. Maliki York say the same thing, because they worship the Sun like the ancient Egyptians and come with Bull similar to yours about Amen Ra the Sun Deity.

Never mind, it will all be okay for you one day!!

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Originally posted by sholay:
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I-N-I

Obviously it is the dumbest thing you have heard, because you cannot meet the challenge no matter how hard you try!!

Sour grapes or what!
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NO just the truth of the matter,

honestly, who is going to be the judge of which "spiritual scripture" or moral guide is better?

it's a completely subjective thing and you know it.

because to ME, the quran is a book that is all over the place. it's not clear and conscise. to understand it, you cant just read it and get it, you have to understand classical arabic culture at that time and what was going on with muhammad at that time. and you can only get that info from OUTSIDE sources.

It's not that much of an outstanding book to me. For outstanding books, look at the ones I listed.

Obviously you think differently.

add on: do you know where those Nuwuabian fools get that idea from? Study egyptology and ancient cultures, look at their myths, and how they STRONGLY resemble those of the found in the bible, quran. is it all coincedence?

all in all, i agree to disagree with you. PEACE.

[This message has been edited by i-n-i (edited August 30, 2001).]

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Then you are one of those who belong to the minority and your words dont count much. there are ppl not only muslims who consider QURAN as a very good if not the best BOOK on earth!

"My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world's most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secular level."

Michael H. Hart, THE 100: A RANKING OF THE MOST INFLUENTIAL PERSONS IN HISTORY, New York: Hart Publishing Company, Inc., 1978

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Originally posted by Ali_R:
Then you are one of those who belong to the minority and your words dont count much. there are ppl not only muslims who consider QURAN as a very good if not the best BOOK on earth!
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unless, you took a survey, that is just your OPINION.

again, the point is: who is going to be the judge for this challenge? who decides?

[This message has been edited by i-n-i (edited August 30, 2001).]

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Originally posted by i-n-i:
**Originally posted by Ali_R:
Then you are one of those who belong to the minority and your words dont count much. there are ppl not only muslims who consider QURAN as a very good if not the best BOOK on earth!

unless, you took a survey, that is just your OPINION.

again, the point is: who is going to be the judge for this challenge? who decides?

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if you want to discuss what beleif is what, create another thread, don't turn every thread into "anti-Islam".

We oughta be Changez like, don't we?

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Originally posted by Mullah_DoPiazza:
**Here's something I saw:

When God created man, she was joking.**
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where was that? where did you see this written?

We oughta be Changez like, don't we?

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Originally posted by Changez_like:
** if you want to discuss what beleif is what, create another thread, don't turn every thread into "anti-Islam".

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not anti-islam, pro-thought and dialogue. i merely branched out from something another poster stated. i thought that's what threads were for.....my bad, i guess.

however, i dont see the point of being so sensitive and acting as a message post police in this situation.

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Sholay, I am sure you can do better than quoting me the koran to prove the veracity of the Koran. That’s pretty stupid.

I know I am right..because I said so.(what kind of logic is that) Out of the box my man..start thinking out of the box.

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Allah is not a male or a female. Allah said about himself Huwa (He) in Al-Qur'an thus we Say He the Almighty and one must know that Allah does not resemble the creations in any way, he is not a male nor female, nor does he resemble us, he has no body no shape. Does not need any of his creations, exists as he existed eternally that is without a place. Allah is not above, below, right, left front of or behind. Allah exists without a place. This is the creed of the Muslim which will save him.

May Allah let us die as Muslims.

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I think Musalman explained it perfectly to the likes of infoman and now I think this forum should be closed! Exactly what I expected, he and his cronies skipped his post because they were beaten and and start Islam bashing again. Typical pagans. And pardon me Sholay, but when Allah says produce a Sura like the Qur'an, he means it in Arabic and not in some translation. Which is ofcourse impossible and thats the challenge.

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All musalman explained was that “allah knows all” Some explanation

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As usual, your brain overloaded and could not handle a well written answer! You would fit right in among the pagans of the prophet’s (PBUH) time.