Re: Is a Pakistani Christian equal to a fellow Muslim?
^ ye bhi theek he.
All those other quotas are for non-religious reasons. May be this is why that girl is involving religion here. She is not saying that all quotas should be abolished. Rather the quota based on religion of a person.
While we are discussing this at length, what happened to the petition?
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Pakistan is officially Islamic Republic of Pakistan.
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There is qouta for minorities also.
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Bravo
It shouldn't just stop here
If we had 2 muslim students, with same marks, and both Hafiz-e-Quran, then I am sure we can stretch it even further. The next step would be to gather evidence which student offers prayers 5 times a day, and if this a tie too, then we can judge based on who prayed ba'jamaat. If they both offered the prayers bajamaat then the next thing would be to check on their rozaz, who has been fasting since puberty, the person with the maximum number of rozaz would get admitted.
It is as simple as That !!
going further, we can go into "sudden death", like who performed Hajj last year, or how many times he/she has performed Umrah....... etc etc.
On a side note (off topic)
I would like to see a resolution passed in assembly about mandatory service as a doctor once a doctor graduates from medical school. No body should be allowed to stay home, or switch professions, or go abroad to serve the infidels.........
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^ baat ka batangar na banaao, this additional 20 marks was to promote 'hifz-e-quran'.
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Another thread of Quran and Islam Bashing... Lagay rahoo
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I wrote a comment on the first page, explaining that there are seats for minorities in medical college, and if she couldnt make it on open meerit she would actually be privileged over a muslim student to get admission being a christian on minority seat, but, paktribune have not published my comment on their discussion page.
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i don't see what is so wrong with giving 20 marks for Hifz-e-Quran
i mean all over the world, in all academic institutions, applicants are given extra weight at admission for something non-academic they might have done - such as doing community work or being involved in sports etc etc...
so really, in Pakistan, Hifz-e-Quran is considered a valuable attribute for an applicant, and so the applicant is also rewarded accordingly and weighed higher at admission time
and mind you, being a Hafiz is no easy work, and the fact that someone can balance that with academic education, means that the person must be highly skilled and dedicated
also, quota system (similar to affirmative action abroad) is prevalent in Pakistan, so there is a quota for religious minorities if i am not wrong, and the petitioner under discussion in this thread can opt to enter through that quota
i think it is despicable that such a petition has been filed. thanks to the current culture prevalent in Pakistan of bending over to please the minorities.
also, in Agha Khan University in Karachi (one of the best medical colleges in the country) don't Agha Khanis get preference for admission? and don't christians get preference and discount in the convent educational institutions in Pakistan?
plus, correct me if i am wrong but who is stopping the Christian from doing Hifz-e-Quran? i know in O Levels, Christian students take Islamiat in Pakistan and even get good grades, which ofcourse helps them onwards in their academic career
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I wrote a comment on the first page, explaining that there are seats for minorities in medical college,
I think those seats belong to quota established for various people, while the seat she was contesting on was an open merit seat.
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i mean all over the world, in all academic institutions, applicants are given extra weight at admission for something non-academic they might have done - such as doing community work or being involved in sports etc etc...
Difference is that ANYONE can do these activities and get additional points, but hifz e quran quota excludes minorities.
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Difference is that ANYONE can do these activities and get additional points, but hifz e quran quota excludes minorities.
not really... can practising Muslims girls become swimming atheletes for example?
and as i said, if a Christian really wants, he can do Hifz.. Christians in Pakistan study Islamiat
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I wrote a comment on the first page, explaining that there are seats for minorities in medical college, and if she couldnt make it on open meerit she would actually be privileged over a muslim student to get admission being a christian on minority seat, but, paktribune have not published my comment on their discussion page.
I forgot the minority seats while i was posting my first comment. So those 20 marks are being balanced by these seats :) Thats great.
I take my comments back .. ..
Thanks @Iconoclast; for pointing towards that
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not really... can practising Muslims girls become swimming atheletes for example?
Now we are getting into who exactly is a practicing Muslim. It depends on interpretation. For example for people like Taliban a practicing Muslim woman is the one who does not even come out of the house, let alone take admission in a medical college.
Talking of practicing Muslims, some people will even object to male swimmer outfits in swimming events. But I understand, it is usually women who bear the brunt of objections from every quarter.
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and as i said, if a Christian really wants, he can do Hifz.. Christians in Pakistan study Islamiat
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This comment is absolutely unjustified. Sorry.
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I think those seats belong to quota established for various people, while the seat she was contesting on was an open merit seat.
If she cannot get on open merit, she automatically becomes eligible for contesting qouta seat.
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This comment is absolutely unjustified. Sorry.
sure...but so is the petition...!
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pakistan is a muslim majority country. it's not an islamic country, if it was then there would be strict sharia law in place which is not the case right? it's a muslim majority democracy i thought since you voted your president into office.....
Pakistan is not a secular country either so here goes your theory in the dump. Pakistani law is a mixture of Islamic and British law.
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Memorizing Quran shows different skills, it shows that you can read Arabic and also the memory skills so it links to academia. In homeschooling, teaching kids Quran is considered Education by the British Education Board.
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the girl is absolutely right. this is discrimination. people who memorize the Quran should not be given 20 points unless students from other religions are also given points for devotion to their respective religions.
this girl has been robbed.
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Bravo
It shouldn't just stop here
If we had 2 muslim students, with same marks, and both Hafiz-e-Quran, then I am sure we can stretch it even further. The next step would be to gather evidence which student offers prayers 5 times a day, and if this a tie too, then we can judge based on who prayed ba'jamaat. If they both offered the prayers bajamaat then the next thing would be to check on their rozaz, who has been fasting since puberty, the person with the maximum number of rozaz would get admitted.
It is as simple as That !!
going further, we can go into "sudden death", like who performed Hajj last year, or how many times he/she has performed Umrah....... etc etc..
excellent post. my sentiments exactly.
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^The whole issue is being misrepresented into a muslim vs christian issue. Firstly, in space of 20 marks there would be nearly 100 students may be more. In my session the difference of merit between KEMC and AIMC was 30 marks, which means there were nearly 200 tudents in space of 30 marks. So she is not competeing with 1 Hafiz but 100+ students who have more marks then her and are not Hafiz as well (as there are only few).
Secondly, she has the option to apply on minority qouta seats, and be accepted with marks lower than open merit, in this aspect her being christian is a privilege not a setback.