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didnt realize 33% is “heavily” ;
http://www.africa.upenn.edu/NEH/treligion.htm
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Really? I know someone who went there, and they were claiming there are a lot of muslims there.
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sorry to say but ISMAILIES (Agha Khanies) are NOT muslims. She was born in a Ismaili Family; and her transgression in the religion is quite disgusting to say the least.
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Her “passion” deserves to be dismissed. Somebody who prostitutes their image the way she does is lower than dirt, they are a complete joke. At least when George Bush or Benjamin Netanyahu express disdain for Palestinians we may not agree but you can understand why they have that position.
She on teh other hand, sells herself to mainstream society as something she is not. She was never muslim or arab, she has no relation whatsoever to islam. Her commenting on islam as an insider would be the same as me selling myself as a reformed jew, scratch below the surface and its nothing but lies and BS.
The fact she does this all while being on the payroll of an overtly ant-islam\arab organization like Can-West Global Corp. is just sickening. In fact it speaks volumes about what a segment of the Jewish community is willing to do to damage the reputation of muslims and arabs in North America.
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please stick to the subject
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^ Right on.
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It seems to me that it is nothing more than a diary of personal grievances towards Islam that she tries to pass off as fact and reason for the discord going on in the Middle East today. Manji uses slippery slope logic and ad homonymic fallacies to come to her conclusions, and uses very little real facts to back herself up. Furthermore, she does not rationally question the WHY and the HOW this is happening. She just claims it IS happening and westernization (or shallow soul-searching the she went through) is the only way for it to change.
A friend of mine went through the same thing as she did towards the faith. he was brought up in Roman Catholicism. His reasons were purely personal and why he decided to become an Agnostic rather than a pure Atheist and condemn the religion based on the actions of a tiny few. He did not feel it necessary to write a book about his problems with the religion and pass it off as fact. Manji felt compelled to do so.
The hatred, bigotry and zealotry that she accuses Islam of can be found in the actions all of the world's major religions throughout history and into present day. Any rational person can deduce that such fundamentalism represents only a small minority of these religions, but she doesn't do that. She assumes that it’s all bad because of personal experiences growing up and her perceptions. She never once attempts to get interviews or opinion on both sides of the coin in Islam or from any other observer for that matter. She also disingenuously states that there is no cultural interpretation and that ALL Muslims are ready to embrace violence. If so, why didn't the Bosnian and Albanian Muslims use suicide bombers against Serbia and oppress their women. Ditto for Muslims in Nigeria and Africa, and India. Why don't get they involved in "jihad" against the west? Why did the Chechens, Kurds, Indonesians and Malaysians start using suicide bombers after Arabs became involved in their situations? These are part of the many things she ignores and fails to question.
Furthermore she goes to Israel to largely exonerate them and further her arguments. She completely ignores the Palestinian territories and the Palestinian question which is the root of Muslim anger and a good place to start as any the who what where when and why.
Despite this the book is fairly entertaining and is actually a VERY good read at times, but to accept this as fact? No way. She made it much too personal and therefore it’s not at all credible. She would've at least been more credible in my opinion if she had taken a more scholarly, research approach to it, but she chose to make it purely entertaining and sensationalist in order to get more readerships, particularly amongst Muslim readers. She certainly did in that regard but more in terms of antagonization which she admitted would happen. Then why?
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As Muzna requested, I’m quoting Manji here.
That is the most absurd argument I’ve heard. With that same argument we could justify ANY crime under the pretext that it’s adding to human diversity.
how do we know it is the anti-murder verses that take precedence over all else? Why don’t the pro-diversity verses get that honour?
how do we know it is the anti-theft verses that take precedence over all else? Why don’t the pro-diversity verses get that honour?
how do we know it is the anti-adultery verses that take precedence over all else? Why don’t the pro-diversity verses get that honour?
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In Canada, a woman is allowed to be lesbians without disrespecting her or her views. I guess, this level of openness does not exist in Pakistan as yet.
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and what does Pakistan have to do with this discussion expat? Absolutely nothing.
Mind you, homosexuality isn't exactly embraced in India either.
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she (irshad) completely doesnt know what she is talking about...the title of the book shouldnt be called "the trouble of islam..."...it shoudl be called "the trouble with me (irshad)"....islam the religion is perfect...its the people that misinterpret and use the quran for their own purpose is what is wrong.
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she sounds cute. God sounds very very ‘selective’ in choosing her. :o
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[font=Times New Roman]She said homosexuality is not tolerated by Islam but her argument is weak n she got away with that BS.. How? She's picking and choosing ambiguous parts from the Quran to justify her argument n yet those points are just not strong enough. I have no problem with homosexuals n to each his own blah blah blah.. but don't try making wrongs right. Homosexuality is condemned in Islam and that’s that. There is no ifs ands or buts about it and Islam is not the only religion which condemns it. Muslims are less tolerant than other christian and Jews because in our nations heavily populated with Muslims, religion and culture plays a bigger role in our life than individual rights and our actions (individuals and every friggin person that's remotely acquainted with that person) are heavily scrutinized by other member of society so that leaves very little room to parade around the flag of individual rights.
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Shes very iSmiley. Always iSmiling.
Sincerely,
Captain Lota
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Less attention you pay to the viewpoints you don’t agree with, faster you have opinions about them.
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i have a question. what exactly does she stand for? i dont care much for viewpoints. i have many as well, and i know how they change and how they change. okay maam doesnt like some things in Islam. fine with that. so what exactly has she done without traiditional Islam? write books on Islam, 'simply quoting ayats' on Islam. irrespective of viewpoint, just how many people become big on Islam, with stringing and stripping ayats from Quran, like basic arithmetic. ab obviousy si baat hai, she is getting all the limelight becuz the market for 'alternate studies' in any field has a huge jahil audience out there, on both ends of the extreme. really what exactly has she done, minus practising shaky lesbianhood with salma rushdie. to me she is just a cultural buyout of canada.
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Well, you know, some people think that the pen has a great deal of power, because through any form of literature or journalism or writing, you can influence how people think.
Books are important…
Actually, nevermind, I’m talking to Pakistanis on a Pakistani forum. I wouldn’t expect everyone to value education and kitaabein and the power that comes with it.
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Offcourse books are important, but the junk written in them isn't. She doen't have a point, she is a no-body.
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Breaking news: Irshad fell off her manji.
Sincerely,
Captain Lota