I read the information on the page you sent me. I have not read the book, nor have I listened to her lectures.
Based on the information provided ONLY in the link you've given (and I know I will have to repeat this 100 times, so forget it, i'm bolding it instead, and if your blind eyesight can't see these words, then you're a dunce)
I don't see anything wrong with the info on that page.
What is it specifically about her theories (aside from teh whole lesbian thing) that you find wrong?
I don't know why people think there is inferior treatment of women in Islam. They just need to think again and ponder over it that even if it is then why is it. I don't know what women like Manji want when they question such things. Shayad they should all be sent to Mars and let live happily ever after where there won't be any zulm-o-sitam on them and no restrictions. Gosh.
Destinee, I don't think there is inferior treatment of women in Islam, but you can't deny that many people in different countries, in different cultures, in different villages do manipulate the laws of Islam and brainwash their populations into engaging in detrimental behavior towards females.
We see it all the time in Pakistan. Even in upper-class and middle-class families that are simply disappointed when a girl is born or put lots of restrictions on a girl like pressurizing her not to get too educated (ex. most of the women in my father's side of the family - extended family that is - never went past bachelors although many of them wanted to do mba's and other degrees) or prejudices like ... "if she wears jeans, then she's definitely not religious at all!"
But then again, I haven't read the girl's book. I'd like for those of you who are vehemently against her to at least outline the points she has made which you are against (again, leaving out the whole lesbian thing - i dont know where she's getting any of that from).
When it comes to how people treat their girls in Pakistan, that's all in their own brains. Religion has nothing to do with it, they misunderstand all the religious aspects of how to treat women etc. Infact majority of our Pakistanis living back home misunderstand their own religion. They don't have brains to think on their own that's why they are easily brainwashed by mullahs/peers and other high religious authorities.
"if she wears jeans, then she's definitely not religious at all!"
That is most certainly true, more tragic is what the heck do girls get by wearing jeans? Does it some how makes them more hip, more acceptable.....Or does it allow them to compensate for their inferiority complex.....Ever seen a gori maym wearing shalwar Kamiz.....
^ Pants are a bit warmer than shalwar kamiz in the subzero temperatures up here. Also on the same note, ever seen a gora guy wearing shalwar kamiz? Why do men have to wear trousers and shirts when they have shalwar kamiz..
PCG: whatever I meant up there was something different maybe it tells I AM on her side. I definitely am not since she's opposing Islam. That's quite obvious by her statements.
Anwaar bhai - I've caught Steve Rockwell's program on TV a few times, and mashaAllah he's very impressive in his approach to Islam... I guess he gets it from his prior training as a Christian Priest and its quite something for someone who has converted to Islam being at that high a level in another religion mashaAllah.
The last time we had a discussion, i clearly remember you saying, I love Islam. Yet here i see you, clearly approving the work of a person (a former muslim) who is dissing Islam.
I think we all know, when we start approving of someones work, we need to see where he/she is coming from. In this case, we are talkin abt a Murtid Lesbian.
And now coming to your more recent statement, " I don’t see anything wrong with the info on that page."
Let me show you all the wrong stuff on the page, that you probably missed.
The very first words, “the trouble with Islam”, tells us all where she’s coming from. Its not the trouble with Islam, its the trouble with Manji and all the others who happen to agree with Manji, on her views on Islam, cause they are the one who are having trouble comprehending the laws of Shariah and the teachings of Islam. They are the ones who are associating the wrong doings of Muslims to the teachings of Islam.
"the inferior treatment of women in Islam;
Name me one instance where Quran or the Hadith suggest that women are inferior and hence should be treated accordingly. Now dont come back and ask me why are women asked to wear veils or why can they not be an Imam. I expect a better reply from you.
The Trouble with Islam shatters our silence. It shows Muslims how we can re-discover Islam’s lost tradition of independent thinking – a tradition known as “ijtihad” – and re-discover it precisely to update Islam for the 21st century.
Ijtihad is to be done, keeping in mind the principles and the scopes of the Shariah. It is in no way a process of independent thinking, and it defn. is’nt about updating Islam. Islam was made complete and is not meant to be changed, PcG i think you know that very well. Ijtihad is only to be used when, a particular situation arises where a direct remedy is’nt provided in the Quran or the Sunnah. And ijtihad is not to be practiced by everyone, not everyone is capable of practicing Ijtihad.
If the Koran came to Prophet Muhammad as a message of peace, why did he command his army to kill an entire Jewish tribe?
PcG…dont tell me you dont find anything wrong with that statement to. We all know what the Prophets rules and regulations were when it came to matters of War. And Jews were living in Madinah, and very well off, at the time of the Prophet.
Such and many more statements will be found, if you read the whole passage carefully, with an open eye, and think abt the fact that its your religion that is being dissed over here, the one you love.
I would reply to your post above, but then a girl who prefers to go to male gynecologist, what would she understand the moral values of Islam. Yea, I am judging you… shoot me. -Salman
