it's very much on topic.. it's the irony of time that people are talking the talk but unwilling to walk the walk..
write what you believe in.. not what you want others to believe in or just create threads to show you're so pious or better than the others. if you start discussing things rather then pasting them as the end of discussions there'd be much headway into your education.
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it's very much on topic.. it's the **irony of time* that people are talking the talk but unwilling to walk the walk..
write what you believe in.. not what you want others to believe in or just create threads to show you're so pious or better than the others. if you start discussing things rather then pasting them as the end of discussions there'd be much headway into your education.
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Mr... first of all it was not in religion forum and was moved here so that u can talk crap about hadith which u dun beleive...
again don't judge me... u are a munkir-e-hadeeth and you dun beleive in any hadith so u can make fun of it but it was not appreciated.... please, as i requested.... stay away... thanks!
accusations again? I asked you if you were going to put your actions where your mouth is… the answer is obviously not… u will twist statements, put words in my mouth.. run a smear campaign and pretty much do everyting else but respond to the question on hand.
oh the irony.. 
once again.. stop levelling accusations or better be prepared to back them up… want people to stay away?? stop opening posts without being able to back them up with arguments.
nothing much can be done for the people whose hearts are sealed.. it was for sharing not discussing…
done with you .. I dun question hadith if it is an ehsan hadith … accuse me for beleiving in it blindly and I am damn proud of it 
now u may leave if u have a problem, after all you are devil’s advocate 
oh really?? most sects I know only take Sahih Hadiths to be true.. so by that token even they become munkareen-e-hadith to you?? 
what a well thought out argument.. here’s a now go play and come back when you’re able to argue your points without throwing a tantrum or levelling baseless accusations.
and u even dun beleive in saheeh hadeeth have fun
Mind your own business.
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again don't judge me... u are a munkir-e-hadeeth
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Big paradoxical statement, whats the difference between you and him then if you too are lablling him? No offence though. Just wanted to say that you wrote a whole post on judging and immediately did that yourself.
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most sects I know only take Sahih Hadiths to be true..
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Pardon me if i m wrong, but some of your posts gave me the impression that you question some sahi ahadees as well?
coincidentally, I found this reply in my thread by you:
>>>How intelligent of you :)keep up the devil work<<<
I guess I should thank you the same way you are thanking PA???
Thank you 
flower1::bhangra:
saby:
i am not labelling anyone .. it was a fact that he himself proclaims as you are also witness of as u are asking a question to him right in ur post ....if both Nes and PA can tell me they beleive in saheeh ahadeeth as they always deny in their posts, I wont say anything..
NesCio:
what u are quoting is out of context... that was a reply when u said u were** making fun of the one who posted the reply** which was me... and making fun like that is a devil's work IMO... and i said if this is always your intention then keep it up cuz u will never learn this way by requesting you so many times :~)
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NesCio:
what u are quoting is out of context... that was a reply when u said u were** making fun of the one who posted the reply** which was me... and making fun like that is a devil's work IMO... and i said if this is always your intention then keep it up cuz u will never learn this way by requesting you so many times :~)
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in that case, if it was your honest opinion, then you should have stated that clearer, cuz as it is put now, it sounds like a 'fact' to you, whereas you say it was just your opinion. By the same token PA can say that him calling you hypocrite is his "IMO" too in respons to what you post in this thread.
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saby:
i am not labelling anyone .. it was a fact that he himself proclaims as you are also witness of as u are asking a question to him right in ur post ....if both Nes and PA can tell me they beleive in saheeh ahadeeth as they always deny in their posts, I wont say anything..
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That was just one statement. In same thread you call him devil's advocate etc and previuosly too.. its a common tendency in us as muslims that we all intend to be muftis by ourselves. Its not an individual's right to say that one's heart is sealed and stuff like that.
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yes I question the methods employed in declaring something 'Sahih'.. IMO it's too weak and utterly unscientific.. My intellect would not allow me to accept something that flimsy as a basis of my religion..
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Okay this question might be out of scope but what approach do you think is the best for declaring somethign 'sahi' ?
khoob
Shaafi`ee said: [Al-Bayaan] includes all that the Apostle has provided in the sunna concerning which there is no [legislation in the] Book. There is in this book - concerning God's favoring mankind [with the ability] to understand the Book and Wisdom - a proof that Wisdom is the sunna of the Apostle of God.
Included in what I have stated concerning God's command to His creatures ordering obedience to the Apostle and specifiying the place it has in religion, is a proof of the precise definition of the duties stated in the Qur'aan, which consists of the following categories
The first category is what the Book has laid down with such clarity that nothing further - in addition to revelation (tanzeel) - was needed.
The second category consists in what is clearly stated in the obligation imposed [by God] ordering obedience to the Prophet. The Apostle is his turn precisely stated on the authority of God what the duties are, upon whom they are binding, and in what circumstances some of them are required or not required, and when they are binding.
The third category consists in what [God] has specified only in the sunna of His Prophet, in the absence of a textual [legislation in the] Book.
Everything [in the sunna of the Prophet] is a clear explanation for the [divine communication in the] Book of God.
So he who accepts the duties to God [laid down] in His Book should accept the sunna of the Apostle by God's command ordering His creatures to obey the Apostle and to have recourse to his decision. For he who accepts [a duty] on the authority of the Apostle accepts it from God, since God has imposed the obligation to obey [the Prophet].
The acceptance of [all the duties] laid down in both the Book of God and the sunna of the Apostle means the acceptance of each one as imposed by God, despite the differing reasons for the acceptance of what He permitted or prohibited, commanded, or punished in various ways as He pleased, glorified be His praise. For He said, "He will not be questioned about what He does, but they will be questioned." [21:23]
The Qur'an says "Whoever obeys the Messanger, obeys Allah". Allah says: "No, by your Lord, they do not believe until they submit to your adjudication in all disputes between them, then they do not find themselves oppressed with your decisions and they completely submit." (4:65) Again, Allah says: "When a matter has been decided by Allah and His Messanger, it does not behove a believer, man or woman, to have choice in their matter. One who disobeys Allah and His Messanger, he is indeed on a clearly wrong Path." (33:36) Furthermore, Allah says: "What the Messanger teaches you, take it; and what he forbids you, avoid doing it."(59:7)
He had to convey the Divine Message but it was also his duty to act upon it and to explain it to the people. His actions and explanations are a source of guidance forever. His sayings, actions, practices and explanations are a source of light for every Muslim in every age.
For instance the Qur'an says:
"And verily in the messenger of Allah ye have a good example for him who looketh unto Allah and the last day and remembereth Allah much." [Al-Ahzab 31]
According to this verse, every Muslim is bound to have the good example of the Prophet as an ideal in life. In another verse he has been made a 'Hakam' for the Muslims by Allah Almighty. No one remains Muslim if he does not accept the Prophet's decisions and judgements.
Allah (SWT) preserved the Sunnah by enabling the companions and those after them to memorize, write down and pass on the statements of the Prophet (PBUH), and the descriptions of his way, as well as to continue the blessings of practicing the Sunnah.
Allaah's Messenger gave us an admonition which caused the eyes to shed tears and the hearts to fear, so we said, "O Messenger of Allaah, this is as if it were a farewell sermon, so with what do you counsel us?" So he said: "I have left you upon clear proof , its night is like its day, no one deviates from it except one who is destroyed, and whoever lives long from amongst you will see great controversy. So stick to what you know from my Sunnah and the Sunnah of the orthodox, rightly-guided caliphs - cling to that with your molar teeth, and stick to obedience even if it is to an Abyssinian slave, since the believer is like a submissive camel, wherever he is led, he follows" Ahmad (4/126), Ibn Maajah (no. 43), al-Haakim (1/96) and others - Hasan
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Later, as the purity of the knowledge of the Sunnah became a concern, Allah (SWT) caused the Muslim Ummah to produce individuals with exceptional memory skills and analytical expertise, who travelled tirelessly to collect thousands of narrations and distinguish the true words of prophetic wisdom from those corrupted by weak memories, from forgeries by unscrupulous liars, and from the statements of the large number of Ulama (scholars), the companions and those who followed their way. All of this was achieved through precise attention to the words narrated, and detailed familiarity with the biographies of the thousands of reporters of hadith.
What is obligatory, is submission to the Messenger (SAW) carrying out his saying and accepting his saying with satisfaction and belief without contradicting it with false ideas called ‘opprehensive faculty’ (Ma’qul) bearing doubt or complaint, or offering the opinions of men and the garbage of their intellect. We unite with The Prophet (SAW) in judgement, submission, obedience and compliance, just as we have unison with Allah, glory be to Him, by worshipping Him by humility, submissiveness, repentance and reliance.
i did not call him anything… i just refered to his custom title in case u failed to see that.. plus when i say heart is sealed, i was just refering to surah al baqarah… and I can totally refer to Quran whenever I want.
peace