Irish Terrorists rule out Peace negotiations with Britain

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Why the hell is Blair giving these terrorist scum the time of day? These are the people who have killed and maimed thousands on the streets of Britain and even after 9/11 they are thumbing their nose at Blair in the seeming knowledge that they won’t be subjected to a Basra-like blitz which Blair is happy to carry out in Iraq - despite the fact that the Iraqis haven’t bombed London yet IRA has gone as far as trying to blow up the British Parliament in the past.

These terrorist scum who refuse to give up their arms should be smoked out and the peaceful people of Ireland liberated from their tyranny.

April 11, 2003

Deal fails as IRA refuses to say war is over

By David Lister and Philip Webster

Sinn Fein’s Bairbre de Brun and Gerry Adams. The party said some issues in the new blueprint “needed to be addressed”

TONY BLAIR and Bertie Ahern called for “clarity” from the IRA last night after it scuppered hopes of an historic breakthrough in the Northern Ireland peace process.

The embarrassed leaders admitted their disappointment at hastily arranged Downing Street talks after the IRA refused to play its part in a carefully choreographed sequence that included the visit of President Bush to Belfast this week.

The two were forced to call off a return visit to Belfast yesterday when the IRA statement that was expected to accompany their blueprint for restoring devolved government failed to come up to scratch.

**Against all hopes it did not give the clear statement that the IRA’s war with Britain was over. Mr Blair decided against going to Belfast and Mr Ahern flew to London instead. **

“There are outstanding issues,” Mr Blair said after talks in Downing Street. “The two Governments are in complete agreement, however, about the right way forward.

“We have to make sure that there is total clarity and certainty in respect of the outworkings of the Good Friday agreement. That has always been the case. We will be in contact with the parties overnight. We have to make sure that people understand the time is urgent and I hope even at this late stage any of the difficulties can be ironed out and dealt with.”

**The IRA still has five days to deliver a form of words and action strong enough to convince Mr Blair and David Trimble’s Ulster Unionists that it is turning its back on violence. If it does not deliver by Tuesday, Mr Blair will almost certainly have to postpone elections to the Stormont Assembly scheduled for May 29. Stormont has been suspended since October after the exposure of an alleged IRA spy ring. **

London and Dublin dismissed as inadequate a draft IRA statement, shown to Mr Ahern, in which the IRA failed to commit itself to end all paramilitary activity. The Times has been told that the statement did not promise further IRA disarmament and said merely that it would re-engage with General John de Chastelain’s independent decommissioning body. The two Governments’ blueprint, which has not been published, proposes a significant reduction in troop numbers in Northern Ireland, an amnesty for on-the-run republican terrorists, an independent body to monitor future breaches of the Good Friday agreement, and a commitment to devolve policing and justice powers to Stormont. Officials said that Sinn Fein’s reservations centred on plans to “name and shame” future transgressors of the agreement and said the party wanted an undertaking from Unionists that they would not walk away from power-sharing. They also said it wanted speedier moves to wind down the British military presence and a clearer time-scale for devolving policing. Mitchel McLaughlin, the Sinn Fein chairman, said: “These are issues we feel needed to be addressed.”

In an attempt to persuade Sinn Fein to agree to a deal, Jonathan Powell, the Prime Minister’s chief of staff, travelled to Belfast on Wednesday. After late-night telephone conversations between Sinn Fein and officials in London and Dublin, civil servants decided yesterday that the talks “had gone backwards”.

One official said: “I think there is a general sense that maybe Sinn Fein were holding out for a bit too much this time and they overplayed their hand.”

A senior Unionist said that the proposed IRA statement “didn’t even get into the ballpark”. He added: “Here we had a situation where two Prime Ministers and an American President were all here on Tuesday and saying how marvellous everything was in Northern Ireland and it has all gone belly up.”

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Why the hell is Blair giving these terrorist scum the time of day?
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They are not Muslim. If they were, they would have been bombed by now.

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It seems that Bush and Blair jointly were prepared to offer the terrorist scum IRA concessions to the tune that there “was to be no dramatic moment like the fall of Saddam’s statue on our screens”. and even so they were rebuffed. And why not? It’s obvious that the IRA are fully confident that their terrorist bases will not be bombed to buggery with unfortunate but acceptable civilan casualties. They obviously feel that Blair is much more likely to send his forces to the Middle East and bomb there instead for some reason.

April 11, 2003

The post 9/11 world has changed but some are still living in past

By Paul Bew

HAS the “tipping point”, the moment of irreversible decline, been reached for the devolved Northern Irish institutions? The British and Irish Governments are nervously asking themselves that question.
Since Tony Blair’s celebrated “acts of completion” speech in Belfast last October, events have moved very slowly. At the time, the speech was seen as tilting in a Unionist direction; the Prime Minister acknowledged that continued evidence of IRA activity totally justified Unionist refusal to stay in government with Sinn Fein.

Since then — at least as far as much public opinion in Ireland, north and south, is concerned — Sinn Fein has, with brilliant effrontery, altered the terms of debate. The Prime Minister, it now seems, came to Belfast in October to make a long overdue radical self-criticism acknowledging that the British Government had failed to fulfil its side of the bargain in the agreement.

**Despite formal disavowals from senior officials, what appears to the public as yet another grinding inch-by-inch traditional negotiation has taken place. It was precisely the style of work that Mr Blair had supposedly renounced in October. The essential strategy is to save the face of the Adams leadership by offering it concessions on such emotive matters as on-the-run terrorists, demilitarisation and suspension legislation, in the hope that Mr Adams will persuade the IRA to say that it will give up training, operating, rearming and spying: in short, the type of activity which punctured the institutions last autumn. **

The two Governments were expected yesterday to present a lengthy document embodying those concessions and expressing a shared understanding of the way forward. In reply, a statement from the IRA and an act of decommissioning were widely expected. There was to be no dramatic moment like the fall of Saddam’s statue on our screens. This meant that the remaining focus was on the language of the IRA statement. President Bush threw his weight behind the two Governments in a huge effort designed to improve the language of the IRA statement and to make it more convincing.

**They believe that they are living in a post 9/11 world in which any toleration for active terrorist organisations has evaporated — but the IRA has not yet got that message. **

**Paul Bew is Professor of Politics at Queen’s University, Belfast **

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Irish terrorists. :rotfl:

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Man

the flow of funding from US based groups to the IRA has to stop, That Jackass gerry adams shows up here and gets a great treatment by Irish American groups..the funds raised here are then used to terrorize innocent britons.

I say just wipe IRA, create another guantanamo type of area and start throwing these idiots there, starting with gerry Adams.

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Sooner or later, questions are going to be asked. While the UK has not been on the receiving end of ME based terrorism, we have certainly lost considerable life to the bombings by the IRA. Even with all the kid's gloves that Blair has been treating these hoodlums, they are still refusing to down weapons.

Ordinairy citizens of the UK have the right to ask what is going on. Even if we ignore the fund-raising that takes place in the US (for whatever reason) why shouldn't we hit these goons with no mercy post 9/11?

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Blair and Bush should now find it in their Christian hearts to attack Ireland!

Terrorism is Terrorism despite the colour of your skin!

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This has been posted previously, but it is still relevant as the US government has so failed to take action against Irish terrorists, and thereby clearly lied about it’s post 9/11 declarations to wage war against all terrorists.

Rich friends in New York - US sympathisers have contributed millions to the cause](BBC News | AMERICAS | Rich friends in New York)

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Irish terrorists ok so what about the British Military terrorists what they inflicting on the people of iraq is more terror than the IRA could dream of commiting!

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What I fail to understand is how long are the IRA going to be given while the people of Ireland have to live under the fear of bombings, murders, reprisals and so on. How long is Ireland and Britain going to have to live under the cloud of terror while we pussyfoot around? So we can't do anything about American funding of these terrorists, but what's to stop us looking after our own interests and bombing Londonderry to rubble, smoking out the IRA and liberating the cowed people of Ireland?

Who the hell are they to refuse to down weapons so flagrantly?

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What I fail to understand is how long are the IRA going to be given while the people of Ireland have to live under the fear of bombings, murders, reprisals and so on. How long is Ireland and Britain going to have to live under the cloud of terror while we pussyfoot around? So we can't do anything about American funding of these terrorists, but what's to stop us looking after our own interests and *bombing Londonderry to rubble, smoking out the IRA and liberating the cowed people of Ireland?**

Who the hell are they to refuse to down weapons so flagrantly?
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The British government won't admit as much but they have in effect given into American-funded Irish terrorism, which makes a mockery of their stance that they do not give into terrorism. But as long American's continue to fund Irish terrorists people will continue to be beaten, terrorised, and murdered by IRA terrorists in the British Isles. Another quite blatant example of double American standards and hypocrisy...

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In light of the fact the American-funded IRA terrorists refusing to negotiate with the UK government and put an end to all it's terroristic acts, you would think Bush and co would not meet up with such terrorists? But it seems that George W did in fact meet the Sinn Fein-IRA leader in his trip to Northern Ireland the other week. What hypocrisy and double standards...

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The continuation of American dealings with Irish terrorists is no big surprise, but the real question has to be why Britain is unable to look out for it's own interests regardless of American intentions.

What's needed here is to stop pussyfooting around with proven terrorists who have killied thousands of British civilians. We need to bomb their terrorist bases, send in the infantry after cutting off food and supplies to the major cities of the republic of Ireland, then hunt the leadership of Sinn Fein down.

After the liberation of the people of Ireland is complete, we can then begin to rebuild Ireland thus giving our building companies a much needed shot in the arm in the process.