Where is Saddam btw? The Russians say he is not in their embassy in Baghdad and where has Sahaf fled to?
http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-1086841,00.html
http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-12283444,00.html
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SaadiaB, well-stated indeed. :k:
i could not agree more with the last two sentences in particular.
Rhia,no one can give anyone Permanent freedom. The problem with freedom is it is always temporary unless one guards it. What Iraqis are getting is not Freedom but a chance at Freedom. There is always a chance to miss the chance. Dictatorship can be forced, Freedom can't be. This is an opportunity for Iraqis, let us hope they don't blow it up.
The Afghans thanked Bush
The Iraqis are thanking him, who else will Thank Bush next?
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Our prayers should be with everyone who lost their lives in this fight to remove one of the most vicious dictators in history.
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That's just beautiful. Now - when will you start with the Hosni Mubaraks, King Fahds, Sheikh al Nahyans, and Emir al Sabahs of this world? Cos believe it or not, each of them are dictatorships too. i am sure the women of Kuwait would love to be able to vote one day, as nonMuslim Saudis would love to be able to worship freely in Saudi Arabia.... opened up a slight pandora's box there, no? Or do you only topple dictatorships with uppity dictators at the helm?
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Dictatorship can be forced, Freedom can't be.
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Exactly. This is where the US lost any chance of a moral high ground it had, a long time ago. Let us hope the Iraqi's DO get a chance at Freedom.
You knock over 1 domino others follow. Could this plant the seed of democracy in the region...only time will tell.
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**Could* this plant the seed of democracy in the region...only time will tell.
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"Could"? Isn't it rather a "waste" to go to all these efforts - kill so many innocent civilians - on the basis of such a tentative argument?
In the end it's up to the people Nadia.
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The Afghans thanked Bush
The Iraqis are thanking him, who else will Thank Bush next?
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Bush should just f**k off muslim terrority. He is like a bug that does not want to leave even if it's unwanted.
ps/ personally, I have nothing against the american business, international, diplomatic contact with anyone, but when they try to interfer and impose their 'way of life' on others thats when it gets ugly.
Hope the americans learn from this event, that the rest of the world (even the western europeans), do not allways appreciate their way of living and thinking.
Hmm working democracies in Muslims nations across the region...enough to keep republicans awake nights for a long long time. You had one democracy to contend with to the run up of this war...25 billion couldn't buy them off....despots are oh so much cheaper.
Well, we agree on this at least. So that means - if the people of Iraq vote tomorrow for a majority-Shi'ite government, or a government that is Islamic in nature (as opposed to the secular Ba'ath party), then that is the will of the Iraqi people - that will entitle true democracy for them.
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"Could"? Isn't it rather a "waste" to go to all these efforts - kill so many innocent civilians - on the basis of such a tentative argument?
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Nadia: Be happy for a day. The Iraqis are. If you give it a little rest, your anger at us for not also deposing the "Hosni Mubaraks, King Fahds, Sheikh al Nahyans, and Emir al Sabahs of this world" will be even more passionate.
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Be happy for a day. The Iraqis are.
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Not the Iraqis whose limbs have had to be amputated in hospitals.
Before the war when anti war demonstrations were going on a number of pro war guys here were saying that because only 1 million marched and the rest stayed home so the silent majority were supporters of war.
Taking the same analogy only a few thousand out of a population of 5 million in Baghdad cheered the invaders, so that means that the majority of the people are against the invaders. Are they? Or do you have new excuses now?
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Be happy for a day. The Iraqis are.
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One should not at this time forget those thousands of innocent civilians butchered by the trigger happy invaders. Also that they are going to be under occupation by a pro Israeli general, followed by a hand picked puppet government which will be selling oil to the great liberators at concessionary rates.
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Well, we agree on this at least. So that means - if the people of Iraq vote tomorrow
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Vote tomorrow? That's not going to happen, the war isn't even over yet. An interim government will be set up (a meeting is Saturday) and be around for many months to come. The next step now is for the coalition forces to secure Iraqi cities as quickly as possible so aid agencies can get to work throughout Iraq where they are desperately needed.
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Sadia, before this war talk started I used to by gasoline for $1.09 per gallon. Three days ago I bought it for @2.29. If in the next 1 year the gasoline prices go under $1.09 per gallon I will accept that you were right about it.
One country that is not going to get it free oil from Iraq any more is Syria. everyone else is going to pay the international price that they pay to other sellers.
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Ever had an eye on the dollar? You should then know that dollar was well off since the war began. Now it's dropping.
Compared to the EURO!
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Vote tomorrow? That's not going to happen, the war isn't even over yet. An interim government will be set up (a meeting is Saturday) and be around for many months to come. The next step now is for the coalition forces to secure Iraqi cities as quickly as possible so aid agencies can get to work throughout Iraq where they are desperately needed.
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Sorry, i did not mean in a literal sense "tomorrow". Down the road. Sorry.
My point is - that, despite whatever government the Iraqi people ultimately decide upon, we HAVE to comprehend that that is their right. Period. Whether the majority of them elect a Shi'ite government, or one that is less secular and more Islamic in nature - it does not matter. The majority of the people will have spoken and that is their fundamental right to determine their own fate.
Otherwise, it will give more fodder for disgruntled Muslims like myself to carp on about the stooge governments the US imposes and it will enforce my belief that they just want to exploit Iraqi resources. Shi'ite government, less secular in nature, closer ties with Iran - if that's what the people want, that's what they should get. ANYthing less is not democratic.
I'm waiting for the beamed pics of Iraqis jumping around singing "La la la la da-mock-racy". Then I'll believe, not before. :)