How about a
f) none of the above.
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Smitty: The office of village idiot isn't up for election this year.
Question: Which groups are running around Bagdad dismembering Iraqi men, women and children in suicide and car bomb attacks?
Here are your five choices (please don't get it wrong):
a. Islamo-fascist terrorist thugs;
b. Islamo-fascist terrorist thugs;
c. Islamo-fascist terrorist thugs;
d. all of the above;
e. a and b but not c.
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Myvoice very interesting,
When same group of ppl r murdered and killed by US Soldiers you call it mistake collateral damage or whateva. At that time there r no prayers for the murdered, aight?
And these groups have nothing to do with Islam, even if they claim so!
This is not the way of ISLAM!
Surely not!
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Myvoice very interesting,
When same group of ppl r murdered and killed by US Soldiers you call it mistake collateral damage or whateva. At that time there r no prayers for the murdered, aight?
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You're very wrong Ali_R. You've been around long enough and read enough of my posts to know that I lament and have said prayers for all the innocents who die no matter at whose hands. I just don't happen to believe that the same spot is reserved in hell for those who intentionally and as a matter of policy kill, maim and dismember innocents and those who don't.
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And these groups have nothing to do with Islam, even if they claim so!
This is not the way of ISLAM!
Surely not!
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That is such a cop out and a head in the sand attitude that allows the cancer sores operating at the fringes of Islam to fester and spread. They read the same Quran that you do. They worship the same Allah that you do. They may even pray in the same mosques that you do. They may listen to different Mullahs and Imams than you do who interpret the holy books differently, but they are nonetheless Muslim.
Iraqi Freedom fighters kill 41 (34 children) Wound 139
Oh I am sorry my***. I totally misunderstood. When you wrote freedom fighters, you actually meant US forces. Because according to you, and your beloved President G Dumbya, and his thugs, you guys are actually fighting a war for Iraqi freedom. So when you are saying freedom fighters, you actually mean US troops who are fighting for the freedom of Iraq. So I won’t disagree with you. You are absolutely 100% right. Since you have already killed 13,000 plus innocent Iraqi civilians, what the heck kill some more and blame it on “terrorist”.
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Kafir = Nigger = Paki
The mentality of the person spouting any of these three words seems to be the same (supporting discrimination).
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kafir=nigger=paki??? LOL now what does that mean. that pakis r n**** and kafirs?? thats hilarious
I think haroon is trying to convey how some Pakistanis take offense at the term paki, even though it is factually accurate. It is not the term itself that is the problem, it is the way it is used.
Liberal is also a word, that doesn’t not have bad meaning but right-winger call some one liberal in ridicule and degrading way.
Hey if people want to feel insulted, then they'll jump at every tiny thing.
What's next, invade Iran or Pakistan because they refer to Americans as Kafir?
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....invade Iran or Pakistan because they refer to Americans as Kafir?
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No need to invade Pakistan. Although the commie leftie Pushtoons would really like that. But thank you. Pak army can "take care" of all the Mullahs here.
Iran invasion. Sure. MAToos are getting out of control there.
skhan,
“Hey if people want to feel insulted, then they’ll jump at every tiny thing.”
Paki !
(You see to me “Paki” is simply a contraction of the longer “Pakistani”, and I cannot understand why someone would be offended at this simple language shortcut! My apologies to the rest of you who are offended at this little object lesson.")
Actually I have no objections to being called a Paki, like you said its just a shorter form of the word. I don’t why you think that’s the case. I was just referring to in general people use terms such as kafir, paki, nigger etc. for more hate mongering.
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You're very wrong Ali_R. You've been around long enough and read enough of my posts to know that I lament and have said prayers for all the innocents who die no matter at whose hands. I just don't happen to believe that the same spot is reserved in hell for those who intentionally and as a matter of policy kill, maim and dismember innocents and those who don't.
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I could show you old threads on how you reacted on each and every incident. But I'm not gonna waste my time for this. We all know and god knows best.
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That is such a cop out and a head in the sand attitude that allows the cancer sores operating at the fringes of Islam to fester and spread. They read the same Quran that you do. They worship the same Allah that you do. They may even pray in the same mosques that you do. They may listen to different Mullahs and Imams than you do who interpret the holy books differently, but they are nonetheless Muslim.
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I think you didnt get it. I SAID this is surely NOT ISLAM this is not the way of ISLAM, I never blamed them not to be MUSLIMs. Same goes for OBL and all the others. He was born as a Muslim, I'm not the one to judge but HE is surely.
Sad that you failed to understand and i thought you are a quick thinker, therefore you think before you post. But doesnt seem so.
No you can’t. Another cop out. 
At least we all know what state you live in : i.e. the state of Denial.
It may not be the Islam you practice but it is most assuredly Islam. Sadly, the Islam you seem to believe in and practice is in serious trouble because you refuse to recognize and confront the danger your most extreme brothers and sisters pose to it.
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*Originally posted by myvoice: *
At least we all know what state you live in : i.e. the state of Denial.
It may not be the Islam you practice but it is most assuredly Islam. Sadly, the Islam you seem to believe in and practice is in serious trouble because you refuse to recognize and confront the danger your most extreme brothers and sisters pose to it.
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Typical Islam bashing from a non-Muslim. You need to take some time to study Islam before you judge it just by actions of some crazy radicals who think that they are Muslim and doing it for Islam. I should not be telling you this because you have spent enough time on this board to know that Islam itself is not a violent religion, but you still keep making these kinds of remarks just to aggravate Muslims on this board. It won’t bother me that much if a non-Muslim makes anti Islam remarks because he/she has been kept in dark by western media and does not know any thing about Islam. But it’s sad when some people despite knowing all the fact still bash Islam. I would encourage you to go to any mosque and borrow Quran with English translation and try to read it with open mind and tell me where in Quran it says that killing innocent people is justified? But I know you won’t do it. Please have some respect of each other religions
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Oh PUUHLEEAZE.
Have some respect for your own religion why don't you. Instead of denying its existence, try doing something that roots out the large and growing cancer that threatens its good name. Every time a Muslim beheads someone on videotape while chanting praises to Allah and washes his hands in the blood of his victim as part of his religious and Quaranic duty, Islam loses a little more respect. Then some clowns step up and coyly say that is not Islam while in the next breath they bemoan the oppression of Muslims around the world that is the root cause of the un-Islamic beheading.
I have spent enough time on this board and studying to know that there are Muslims who interpret the Quran and Islamic scripture in ways that absolutely justify violence and hatred and, in fact, view perpetrating it as their Islamic duty. There are other Muslims who interpret the Quran and other scriptures differently and in a way that views Islam as peaceful and abhoring violence.
You say "Islam itself is not a violent religion." Well I've got news for you, "Islam itself" is what its practitioners interpret the scriptures to be and mean and what they do in its name. I'm neither anti-Muslim nor anti-Islam. I am anti-Islamo-fascist terrorist thugs. When and if the silent majority of all Muslims and practitioners of Islam allow the highjacking of their religion to be relatively complete by these Islamo-fascists, that's when I'll be anti-Islam and anti-Muslim. Stay quiet and continue to live in denial, let this happen and turn me (and millions of others) into what you accuse me of being.
Americans here are well informed about Islam. Many of us have been here for years, we have heard the whole discussion. We are here to converse and learn.
No one has insulted Islam. You become overly defensive when you think your religion is being demeaned. With that said, there are those who believe that they are waging a holy war in the name of Islam, and they are doing horrific things. It seems like a simple thing in your mind to distinguish the "Good" Muslims from the "Bad". It is not that easy at all. The 19 hijackers probably looked and acted just like "good" muslims, without ever letting the hate be known. It is not my job to figure out Islam. It is your job to make sure that holy wars fought in the name of Islam reflect true Islamic values. You are failing at this....
What is painfully clear is that it is the "bad Muslims" who are harming Islam. Yet little or nothing is done to denounce or control the horrific acts committed by these people. Instead apologists make excuses for them.
MyVoice and I once started a thread, with ideas on how Palestinians could wage a "noble" campaign of resistance and civil disobediance. We had lots of ideas on how the media could be manipulated, economic damge could be done, and world opinion swayed. Unfortunately these things are not significanly macho.
No one is bashing Islam. We are bashing what is being done in the name of Islam.
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You see to me "Pak" is simply a contraction of the longer "Pakistani", ....
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OG I used to respect your analysis. Why do you have to come down the level of M*Toos.
The slur in your post is very well known term for South Indians (Bharatis) workers who remove human excreta from the houses. In the absence of flush system in Bharat, the toilet-cleaners scoop the human waste, dump it in an open container, and carry it on their heads. Obviously the work is back breaking load of stink. Bharatis employed in this profession are the most hated people on earth. Even though it should be treated just like any other profession, Bharati caste system treats such people with disdain. Call some Bharati with this slur and he'll break open your head.
Most of the Pakistanis do not really understand the history of this term so they tend to take it lightly. However internationalists like you should do their homework before posting slurs on a public forum. Heck you have enough brain cells to be more eloquent.
mv, Blame the people who are misinterpreting Islam not the religion. It not worth arguing with you because you have already made-up your mind despite knowing the facts. I didn’t want to say anything against Christianity because then there will be no difference left between you and me, but you didn’t leave me with any choice. How about Hitler, a devout Christian, and his army (all Christians) killing millions of innocent Jews? Serbian, a Christian nation, carries out ethnic cleansing; again thousands of Muslims, and many more examples like this in Christian history. Most recently, Timothy McVeigh, A Christian American killed his own people. That’s what happens when you bash someone’s religion, then expect to hear something back against your own religion. The purpose of my above post was not to change your opinion, but to fulfill my responsibility. When I am at a place where wrong things are being said about my religion, then it is my responsibility to speak up. I have done my job. You can continue to do what are you good at, because I don’t expect anything better from you. I am done with what I had to say.
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No one is bashing Islam. We are bashing what is being done in the name of Islam.
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That’s not what myvoice said. Read his above posts. He is implying that we the peace loving Muslims don’t want to accept the violent Islam which exists out there. His point is that Quran does contain violent material that extremists interpret from. Half-truth is more dangerous than a lie. He is telling the half-truth by trying to take thing out of context.
Smith,
I am in complete agreement with Myvoice on this. Every religious book contains sections that taken literally, as fundmentalists do, or out of historical context, or without realization that times change, can be very damning. I believe that there are fundamentalists who twist the Quran to justify their hate. Are all Muslims guilty by association, of course not. but unless they help the situation rather than rationalize it, many will be painted with a broad brush.
Antiobl,
Obviously my insult was meant to shock people into thinking about their use of the work Kufar, and the thought pattern that goes into this. It is indicative of a rather pervasive theme that other religions are thought to be inferior, despite the lip service that is sometimes paid to "people of the book".
My sincere apology if this harsh example offended you...