Iraq war will never quit until terrorism is decisively defeated

Unless the model of NK and Vietnam is repeated in the ME there will be no peace.

But the monkey’s proclamation didn’t stop the fatalities, which as of Thursday included 556 American troops. More than 415 of them lost their lives after baboon declared that the major fighting was finished.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/03/14/INGAV5CVPP1.DTL

The Iraq War won’t quit. Since Baghdad’s fall, there are no battle lines. Fighting takes on a new lethal form in ambushes, bombings or plane crashes. Injury and death come almost daily.

On May 2, after a lightning-quick sweep through Iraq, President Bush declared that major combat was over. This country’s vaunted armed forces had made short work of the Iraqi military.

But the president’s proclamation didn’t stop the fatalities, which as of Thursday included 556 American troops. More than 415 of them lost their lives after Bush declared that the major fighting was finished.

The war, which began a year ago amid non-stop media coverage, has faded from the limelight, although it is still deadly. Gone are the televised missile attacks on Baghdad and rumbling tanks passing through palm groves. Instead, the fighting breaks out along empty roads or at guard posts. Bombings and sniper attacks replaced set-piece battles with swooping aircraft and artillery barrages. Military accidents such as vehicle crashes or helicopter collisions cause many casualties.

Despite the far-away feel, the fallen are real people. They have names and faces. Each man and woman deserves recognition for taking on a risky challenge in the service of this country’s armed forces. Compared to past national conflicts, the number of deaths is small. But the sacrifice and loss on a personal level is just as painful.

As the nation’s most populous state, California has recorded the highest death toll, with more than 60 killed. The typical profile is that of a young male fresh from high school or college. Often this soldier, sailor, Marine, Guard or reserve member is foreign born or from an immigrant family. The roster of those killed gives a fair representation of the mix of races, home addresses and families that make up this state.

Many parents of the fallen describe their children as enormously proud of military service and the chance to serve in Iraq. Among the thousands from Northern California who went to Iraq, consider the stories of several who died.

Gunnery Sgt. Joseph Menusa from San Jose joined the Marines after high school. Born in the Philippines, he became a proud Marine recruiter, snappy in dress blues, before taking on more active duty in Japan, the Persian Gulf, Cuba and Hawaii. He died in an ambush near Nasiriya in the early days of active fighting.

Karina Lau stunned her family when she enlisted in the Army in January 2002. A top student and clarinet player in high school, she earned a scholarship to the University of the Pacific in Stockton.

She survived boot camp and was sent to Iraq as a network technician. Her older brother Luis, a Marine, warned her to "keep her head down and follow orders.‘’ She was headed home to Livingston in Merced County on Nov. 2, when the helicopter she was riding in was shot down near Amiryah. She died along with 15 other soldiers in one of the worst setbacks of the war.

Genaro Acosta was infused with gung-ho military spirit. He could have left Iraq last August and returned to Fair Oaks near Sacramento, his Army service completed. But he re-upped as a tank driver.

He had already survived a rocket-propelled grenade fired at his tank. Then in November, his 12-ton tank clanked over two explosive charges while on patrol. The blast tore through the vehicle’s armored skin and killed Acosta.

Bay Area native Joseph Norquist played football at his Benicia high school before earning a degree at Diablo Valley College in Pleasant Hill. His parents, Carl and Sue Norquist of Oakland, said their husky only child was proud to go to Iraq.

"Joe believed in the job he was doing in Iraq,‘’ they said in a statement after his army convoy was attacked on an Iraqi road in a fusillade of bullets and grenades. "We deeply mourn the loss of our son,‘’ his parents stated.

Iraqi families have suffered, too. Thousands of their sons and daughters, mothers and fathers, friends and acquaintances have died in the conflict. We should recognize their losses.

Before the war is wrapped up and American troops depart, there will be more fatalities. Only then can the full human cost of the war be measured. But as the first anniversary of the war approaches, it is time to stop and think about those who have given their lives, and why.

the war on terrorism won't end until the realization comes to why and who ...

Re: Iraq war will never quit until terrorism is decisively defeated

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*But the president's proclamation didn't stop the fatalities, which as of Thursday included 556 American troops. More than 415 of them lost their lives after Bush declared that the major fighting was finished. *
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It's 565 American troops killed now, 424 of them lost their lives after Bush declared that the major fighting was finished.

Btw, some 114 foreign fighters i.e. the so-called coalition soldiers have been killed since Saddam was captured some three months ago. So much for the end of the resistance huh?

Yes, Malik, but as Rumsfeld would remind you only about half of those actually died in hostile fire.

Nice to know the man can so easily denegrate those who died under his leadership for political purposes, eh?

It may interest you to know that the Atlas of Injuries in the US Armed Forces reported 1,143 deaths of active duty armed forces in 1993. 53% or 570+ were the result of accidents. The total number of deaths in FY 1994 was 1,108 with 49% (550+) the result of accidents.

https://www.denix.osd.mil/denix/Public/Library/Atlas/atlas.html#Military

Serving in the armed forces is dangerous duty even in peacetime while on routine duty or on training missions. Approximately half of those killed in Iraq since the end of major hostilities have died as a result of accidents or other non-combat reasons. Other threads in Gupshup talked about suicides among troops in Iraq. Interestingly, the second highest percentage of deaths in the US armed forces (behind accidents) historically occur because of suicide (19% in 1993 and 20% in 1994) according to the above referenced Atlas.

I don’t think Rummy was “denegrating” any deaths of servicemen in Iraq. He was putting some context to military deaths. Those who just throw out the number of deaths of servicemen in Iraq generally like to do so while creating the impression all of them are being picked off by Iraqi resistance/terrorists and but/for their service in Iraq, there would not have been a death.

You're right about the context of the numbers MV, and you might remember that I really dislike people who throw out numbers of dead Americans for simple thrills.. but what got me peeved about Rumsfeld's statement was his tone. The transcript doesn't do his attitude justice. So yes, I well understand the risks our military personnel take in every situation, combat or otherwise, and I understand that increased risk in combat is worth it when we spread freedom to those who were denied it.. this is just a personal bone with Rummy. Sure, he might be sick & tired of talking about it, defending the numbers.. but his tone, despite the stress, hasn't sounded very appreciative lately, to my ears at least.

I wonder what are these Iraqi shias and sunnis saying!!...

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Naaaa, can't be true this is all the handy work of Saddy.

Iraqis stage anti-US demonstration

Iraqi Sunnis, Shiites stage joint anti-US protest calling for end to American occupation on eve of war anniversary.

BAGHDAD - Up to three thousand Iraqi Sunni and Shiite Muslims staged a joint protest here Friday calling for an end to "American occupation" of their country, on the eve of the first anniversary of the US-led war.

"No to Saddam. No to the Americans. Yes to Islam," the worshippers chanted before leaving the Kazimiya mosque, which is home to the mausoleum of Imam Mussa al-Kazem and is the holiest Shiite shrine in Baghdad.

All 100 people showed up.

http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=9332

But wait!! this can’t be true until it is Fox… LOL…!!

BUT wait wait wait…BBC also reported once… those darn Brits. LOL

Iraqis protest at US ‘terrorism’
Up to 10,000 Iraqi Shias have taken to the streets of a Baghdad suburb to denounce the US for “terrorism”.

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