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Malik, if your not going read what others write then there's no point in furthering this discussion.
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Yes, when you run out of answers you always end up running from the thread. :)
The only honorable thing to do when someone refuses to debate is to cease the discussion. By constantly bringing up the same arguments over and over, no matter what others have to say is an old trick. It only proves that the poster cannot logically debate or that their posistion is obviously biased and/or incorrect.
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The only honorable thing to do when someone refuses to debate is to cease the discussion.
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I see you are still here. Just can't keep away can you? :)
Three more today… 
Not bad not bad ,seems like Indian and Paki cannon fodders did not materiliaze and there is no Northern Alliance to hide behind.](BBC NEWS | Middle East | Iraq attacks kill five US troops)
Nice,
Those three soldiers were guarding a Childrens Hospital.
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Nice,
Those three soldiers were guarding a Childrens Hospital.
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They have no business of being there.... They better gurad their as as long as they are there....
Abdali yaar, this is nothing new for the American soldiers, as after all they have previously taken over schools for military purposes. US special forces take up residence in civilian installations…](http://www.gupistan.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=98277&highlight=schools)
Just like over Vietnam the American soldiers and occupation regime are committing the deeds they accuse their opponents of. Take for example the release of the pictures of Saddam’s sons - the world’s media has been making comparisons with the Taliban and the Khmer Rouge. But this latest attack clearly shows the deaths of Saddam’s son’s has made little difference to the resistance against the American occupiers, if anything the resistance has increased considerably.
Malik,
Same old tired posts. 
Your reference to American “wrongdoings” is dated 3/31/03, hardly current. Schools in Iraq have reopened. And guarding Childrens Hospitals is a far cry from “occupying” the hospital.
By the way, US troops have hauled away over 18 MILLION, (yes million) pounds of explosives, ordinance and weapons from schools and mosques.
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Malik,
By the way, US troops have hauled away over 18 MILLION, (yes million) pounds of explosives, ordinance and weapons from schools and mosques.
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OH!! that is the WMD you were talking about all along....
Abdali don’t rub it in. :nono: 
After the deaths of those three soldiers, another one was killed shortly afterwards, and now today yet another soldier was killed. So in the last 24 hours…**
Iraq attacks kill five US troops**](BBC NEWS | Middle East | Iraq attacks kill five US troops)
P.S. Btw, that’s 10 American soldiers killed since the killings of Saddam’s sons.
Todays score two seriously wounded one terrorist died latter.
Pic of one of the wounded ass terrorist.
http://wwwi.reuters.com/images/2003-07-28T113804Z_01_BAG204_RTRIDSP_2_IRAQ.jpg
A U.S. Army soldier speaks with a comrade as they drive to a military hospital following a grenade attack in the Iraqi capital of Baghdad July 28, 2003. Two U.S. soldiers were badly wounded in a grenade attack in central Baghdad on Monday, hours after the U.S. ground forces commander in Iraq said the country is becoming a magnet for foreign terrorists targeting Americans. REUTERS/Stefano Rellandini
Two more American soldiers killed as mass protests are held in Iraq by Shia Muslims against the US occupiers with the chants “No, no to America!”.
Two US soldiers killed in Iraq](BBC NEWS | Middle East | Two US soldiers killed in Iraq)
And the increasing number of attacks on US soldiers is finally making the American’s think twice about keeping their soldiers in Iraq…
U.S. Considers Reducing Its Role in Iraq](Yahoo News: Latest and Breaking News, Headlines, Live Updates, and More)
This article would fit better in the other thread, but i already posted there three times successively.
Former UN chief: bomb was payback for collusion with US, Neil Mackay
Sunday Herald, 24 August 2003
THE reason the United Nations headquarters in Baghdad were bombed is because the UN has been taken over by the US and turned into a “dark joke” and a “malignant force”, according to one of the UN’s most internationally respected former leaders.
Denis Halliday, the former UN Assistant Secretary-General and UN Humanitarian Co-ordinator in Iraq, attacked the UN as an aggressive arm of US foreign policy in the immediate aftermath of the truckbomb attack on the UN mission in Baghdad which killed at least 23 people – many of whom were Halliday’s former friends and colleagues.
“The West sees the UN as a benign organisation, but the sad reality in much of the world is that the UN is not seen as benign,” said Halliday, who was nominated for the 2001 Nobel Peace Prize. “The UN Security Council has been taken over and corrupted by the US and UK, particularly with regard to Iraq, Palestine and Israel.
“In Iraq, the UN imposed sustained sanctions that probably killed up to one million people. Children were dying of malnutrition and water-borne diseases. The US and UK bombed the infrastructure in 1991, destroying power, water and sewage systems against the Geneva Convention. It was a great crime against Iraq.
“Thirteen years of sanctions made it impossible for Iraq to repair the damage. That is why we have such tremendous resentment and anger against the UN in Iraq. There is a sense that the UN humiliated the Iraqi people and society. I would use the term genocide to define the use of sanctions against Iraq. Several million Iraqis are suffering cancers because of the use of depleted uranium shells. That’s an atrocity. Can you imagine the bitterness from all of this?
He warned that “further colla boration” between the UN and the US and Britain “would be a disaster for the United Nations as it would be sucked into supporting the illegal occupation of Iraq”.
“The UN has been drawn into being an arm of the US – a division of the state department. Kofi Annan was appointed and supported by the US and that has corrupted the independence of the UN. The UN must move quickly to reform itself and improve the security council – it must make clear that the UN and the US are not one and the same.”
Halliday said the US should withdraw from Iraqi within six months and allow free elections to be held. The UN could then start the work of helping the Iraqis rebuild their nation. “Bush has blown $75 billion on this war, so he should spend $75 billion on reconstruction – and the money shouldn’t just go to Halli burton [an oil firm now operating in Iraqi which was once run by vice- president Dick Cheney] and the boys either. Once the US goes from Iraq, the terrorist will go as well.
“Bush and Blair have misled their countries into war. By invading Iraq and placing the US inside the Islamic world, America is inviting terrorists to come on the attack.”
Halliday, who resigned from the UN in 1998, knows his comments will upset London, Washington and Kofi Annan, but he claims many senior UN figures feel the same anger.
Even after getting a whopping $166 billion to spend on it’s wars in Afghanistan and Iraq (where they only end only killing tens of thousands of innocent civilians), the US military is fast running out of money.
Pentagon: 3 Months in Iraq Cost $14B
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The ongoing war in Iraq cost about $4 billion in September, spiked to $7 billion in October and hit just under $3 billion in November, the Pentagon said Wednesday in its latest report on how much the military operation costs. That amounted to roughly $14 billion spent on U.S. military operations in Iraq over the three-month period late last year, the latest figures available, said Dov Zakheim, the Pentagon’s chief financial official. He said analysts were trying to determine why the costs spiked in October. Officials previously had said the occupation of Iraq is costing $1 billion a week. Zakheim also sought to allay concerns, expressed by top military chiefs to a congressional committee Tuesday, that the Pentagon would run out of money to finance the efforts. The Iraq war and occupation, along with the ongoing operations in Afghanistan, are being paid for through supplemental spending bills that are approved by Congress outside of the regular budget process.
Already, Congress has approved $166 billion for those operations. The Pentagon has said it does not expect the Bush administration to seek another spending bill until January 2005, but the chiefs of the Army, Air Force and Marine Corps suggested Tuesday that money will run out by the end of September. Zakheim said Wednesday that the military can fill the gap by borrowing money from other operations and maintenance accounts. This causes some repairs and maintenance work to be delayed, but Zakheim said this would not lead to permanent problems if a supplemental spending bill were approved by the following spring. Why wait? Zakheim said the Pentagon wanted to see how events in Iraq unfold this year before deciding how much money it will need. He denied the suggestion that the Bush administration was waiting until after the November elections to prevent the cost from becoming a political issue.
Iraq may become ‘another Vietnam’ - Brent Scowcroft
Now of course Scowcroft is not exactly a ‘lefty’ or a supporter of Saddam as such, but was the US National Security advisor in George Bush Snr’s administration.
Iraq may become ‘another Vietnam’
A former US national security adviser who served in the administration of the first president Bush, warned today that the war in Iraq threatens to grind on for years like the Vietnam conflict. “It could become a Vietnam in a way that the Vietnam war never did,” Brent Scowcroft said in an interview published in Portuguese weekly newspaper Expresso. “Our exit from that country did not have grave consequences, while if we wanted to get out of Iraq today, the consequences would be very deep.” Scowcroft, who led a classified review of US intelligence in 2001 and heads the Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board of the current President George W Bush, was an outspoken critic of the US-led invasion of Iraq, arguing it took the focus off the fight against the extremist al-Qaeda network.
He told the newspaper he believed the neoconservatives who strongly backed the invasion did not realise how difficult it would be to foster a democratic system in Iraq once the regime of Saddam Hussein was toppled. “Their plans are fantastic but very difficult to apply because it is very difficult to implant deep political alterations in a society,” he said. “This is the problem we are facing in Iraq and we do not have a magic wand to create a democratic society, or create a group of people who aspire to democracy.” Scowcroft added he believed the Bush administration has stopped hinting at the possibility of military intervention in other nations, such as Syria and Iran, because Washington is disappointed with the results it obtained in Iraq.
Major fighting dragged on for eight years in Vietnam, from 1965 to 1973. More than 3 million US troops served in the conflict, and more than 58,000 Americans were killed. Bush administration officials have bristled at any comparisons between the war in Vietnam and the conflict in Iraq, which began last March. Before launching the invasion Bush argued that US officials erred in Vietnam because “we could not explain the mission, had no exit strategy and did not seem to be fighting to win”. But while the Iraqi regime has been ousted and its army disbanded, US forces in the country continue to face regular attacks and Washington has not yet set a timetable for their withdrawal from the country.
amerikan imperialism
I see this as what it really is... similar to what it really was in the Vietnam war, Korean War, Spanish-American War, Perry's attack on Yedo Japan, etc ---- american imperialism. It's not to gain territory, as was the imperialism prior to the 20th century, but rather a means by which the nescient amerikan beaurocracy, employed as a tool by the bourgeois class of multi-million-dollar corporation, is to extend their ways and ideas by force, in order that they (the bourgeois) might beable to sell their crap in foreign lands and extract cheap labour from them.
^^ finally someone who sees it for what it is, instead of a 'War on Islam' alarmism..
Have a really big quagmire in either Afghanistan, or Iraq. Either one really, I don't want to be picky. Just give me a good Vietnam style quagmire, so that the Americans will wipe the cocky grins off their faces. Oh please please pretty please. I promise to eat all my vegetables, and I really don't care what happens to the people of those countries, just give me a quagmire so I can stop pouting!
OG the parallels with Vietnam are very clear indeed. More and more political analysts, politicians and journalists are writing about the Iraqi quagmire that is becoming a huge embarrasement for the Bush Administration.
Cronkite: Iraq-Vietnam parallels inescapable](http://news.mainetoday.com/apwire/D80MERU01-43.shtml) Maine Today
WATERVILLE, Maine — Walter Cronkite said the American presence in Iraq strongly resembles the military´s adventure in Vietnam during the height of his career, which included 18 years as CBS Evening News anchor. “I don´t find any real substance in the argument that there´s no parallel, which is what the administration would like,” he said. “I´m not saying Iraq is hopeless, but at the present moment, we are facing an intensifying guerrilla war, and it is taking a great deal of our people and treasury.” …
Iraqi lawmakers did approve an interim constitution today, I'd say that's a positive step.