Iraq is winning the battle of hearts and minds (Merged)

This is an excellent article which makes some excellent points as to why the Anglo-Saxon powers are already losing the battle of hearts and minds not just in Iraq, but across the world.

**Flags in the dust **

One of the finest war photographs ever taken shows the raising of the American flag over Iwo Jima in February, 1945. The battle for this tiny island in the Pacific, just five miles long and two miles wide, lasted 31 days and cost 6,821 American lives. In the picture, six helmeted figures grapple with a pole, attempting to plant it on a rock-strewn mountain top. At the end of the pole, the Stars and Stripes flutters in the wind against a vast open sky. The symbolism of this picture, taken by Associated Press photographer Joe Rosenthal, was clear to everyone at the time. The huddle of human figures represented heroic endeavour, while the flag and the sky signalled hope and freedom. As an artistic composition, the photograph was so brilliant that ever since the day it appeared there have been people who claimed it was specially posed - though there is ample evidence that it was not. In just 1/400th of a second, Rosenthal’s camera captured the spirit of the time. Maybe this was what someone had in mind early last Friday when invading American marines removed an Iraqi flag from a building in Umm Qasr, just across the border from Kuwait, and raised the Stars and Stripes. But what might have seemed a noble gesture in 1945 is open to different interpretations 58 years later. In Britain, even supporters of the war denounced the flag-raising as a stupid act, undermining claims that the goal is to liberate Iraq, not to conquer it - and by nightfall the Iraqi flag was back. In the midst of more dramatic events, this was a very minor incident, but a telling one nonetheless: it highlighted a credibility gap that may yet become a catastrophic flaw in America’s war strategy. Most wars start by accident or with a flourish of misplaced jingoism. But this war is unique. It is hard to recall any conflict in history that aroused so much opposition even before it began. At best its legitimacy and purpose is in serious doubt. At worst, millions regard it as illegal and/or immoral. Besides that, it is led by a president for whom few outside the United States have any respect. Just as the onus was placed on Iraq, during the period of inspections, to prove that it had no weapons of mass destruction, the onus now is on the invasion forces to convince a sceptical world of their bona fides. This is probably impossible to do, since the official and unofficial aims of the war cannot be reconciled. One example of confused messages came on the first day with the attempt to assassinate Saddam Hussein. Apart from looking hasty and opportunistic, it conflicted with argument made during the UN inspection process that the main goal was to disarm Iraq. That might not have been so bad if, after Saddam had appeared on television to show that he was still alive, US officials had quashed speculation that he might be dead. Whatever private doubts they might have harboured (about the use of lookalikes, etc), joining in the guesswork merely cast doubt on their credibility as sources of authoritative information. The Centcom command centre in Qatar, with its hugely expensive press facilities, has also been slow to get its case across. It was not until Saturday that General Tommy Franks got round to speaking to the world’s media, with a polished performance that said almost nothing. In the meantime, other officials made all sorts of statements that were contradictory in some cases and downright wrong in others. The battle for Umm Qasr, the small port near the border with Kuwait has been won and un-won so many times that by now most people have lost count. It’s no excuse to attribute these failures to the “fog of war” or “psychological operations” against the Baghdad regime.

Iraqi spokesmen, on the other hand, have been remarkably forthcoming and, if we disregard the usual rhetoric, the factual content of their statements has often been more accurate than that of the invasion forces. Their figures for Iraqi casualties have also been low enough to sound plausible. Friday brought the appalling “Shock n’ Awe Show” which, in its visual effects, resembled something that might have been conceived by a big-budget Hollywood director. Its military purpose, if any, is still far from clear, and those shocked by it were mainly TV viewers outside Iraq. After decades of wars, sanctions and repression, Iraqis themselves have become inured to almost anything. As the attack was ending, some of the Arab TV channels lingered for a few seconds on a bizarre scene in flickering night-vision green: Iraqi spectators standing in open parkland on the opposite side of the river, watching the fireworks. Though this attack was meant to terrify the Baghdad regime into submission, nobody in Washington seems to have anticipated its effect on the rest of the world. To some in the Arab and Muslim countries, Shock and Awe is terrorism by another name; to others, a crime that compares unfavourably with September 11. To the homespun folks in Middletown, California - recorded by the BBC the other day singing patriotic songs around their dinner table - such perceptions may be utterly incomprehensible, but they are real and cannot be ignored. They explain why the American flag has become a liability and why westerners in Yemen, for example, have taken to flying the blue-and-gold European flag from their cars to discourage attackers. General Franks, of course, is at pains to point out that modern American missiles are extremely accurate and that every target is carefully selected to minimise civilian casualties. This may be, but it takes only a few exceptions to persuade people otherwise - as happened at the weekend when al-Jazeera television showed millions of Arab viewers the picture of a child with a shattered head.

As the invasion forces move closer to Baghdad, it is still an open question as to whether ordinary Iraqis will view them as conquerors or liberators. The omens so far are not particularly good. When they arrived in Safwan last Friday, one Iraqi greeted them by saying: “What took you so long? God help you to become victorious.” Possibly he meant it, though it’s not hard to imagine similar words being addressed to anyone who arrived in town with a conspicuous display of weaponry. Two Reuters correspondents, travelling independently of the military, told a different story: "One group of Iraqi boys on the side of the road smiled and waved as a convoy of British tanks and trucks rolled by. But once it had passed, leaving a trail of dust and grit in its wake, their smiles turned to scowls. ‘We don’t want them here,’ said 17-year-old Fouad, looking angrily up at the plumes of grey smoke rising from Basra. ‘Saddam is our leader,’ he said defiantly. ‘Saddam is good’." All these effects were easily foreseeable, though not easily avoided once a decision was made to go to war. With less than a week gone, the invasion forces may be slowly winning the battle on land and in the air but Iraq is winning the battle of hearts and minds. To have reached such a position against an adversary who is demonstrably one of the world’s most disgusting tyrants, to have transformed him into a hero figure, and to have transformed the American flag into a symbol of oppression, is not only unfortunate but reeks of political incompetence.

All I can say is.. damn the war.

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All I can say is.. damn the war.
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Exactly. US reporters were asking the Pentagon earlier where the "cheering crowds" were, because it seemed those very crowds were fighting the American forces when trapping them inside towns.

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Exactly. US reporters were asking the Pentagon earlier where the "cheering crowds" were, because it seemed those very crowds were fighting the American forces when trapping them inside towns.
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lolll i refuse to defend american hypocrisy!

American economy, the dollar. Israel and George Bush.

Since Tariq Aziz has made heavy use of FREEDOM of PRESS and SPEECH. Let me remind you that soon (I assume 1-2 dayz) the power supply of Bagdad will be the next target.
No light, no opportunity for Aziz to watch CNN and Co and criticize their very biased projection and reports on this war.

SHALOM!

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American economy, the dollar. Israel and George Bush.

Since Tariq Aziz has made heavy use of FREEDOM of PRESS and SPEECH.
SHALOM!
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That's funny.

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...US will just go and do it’s job and come back, as it always has...
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Came back from where? Cuba, Vietnam and what else? What about Japan, Germany, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan?

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lolll i refuse to defend american hypocrisy!
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Americans and hypocrisy...naaaaa!! how is that possible...

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That's funny.
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As is your government i guess.

Ali, you don't find it oddly amusing that the Iraq officials are using the free press yet forbid this freedom to their own people?

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Ali, you don't find it oddly amusing that the Iraq officials are using the free press yet forbid this freedom to their own people?
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Under, Im not a big fan of Saddam and never I was!
The big difference is: One is a dictatorship the other a democracy (at least they call it that way) but how much of difference is there?
This war does display the true faces of ALL and this includes the hypocrites in the West and the hypocrites in the east including those sitting in EUROPE!

If I criticize, I critize the wrongs not just the rights in doing the wrongs!

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"We were happy when the US promised to get rid of Saddam Hussein and his regime. But this is replacing Saddam with another form of tyranny."
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['This makes us love Saddam, not America' - 34 die as US missiles hit wrong target, Luke Harding
The Guardian, 24 March 2003

The last thing that Omar Mohammed Saeed heard was the sound of the American missile plunging through the roof of his dormitory. It was 12.30 at night, and Mr Saeed and his fellow peshmerga fighters had been fast asleep.

The laser-guided bomb reduced the compound where Mr Saeed had been staying into a tomb of pulverised concrete and metal. There was no chance of escape.

"We don't understand. Why did America do this? My uncle was a kind man who would never have hurt anybody," his nephew, Sadar Mohammed, said yesterday. "This makes us love Saddam Hussein rather than America," he added.

Mr Saeed was killed in a US missile strike against Iraq in the early hours of Saturday. Over the weekend the US fired more than 70 missiles at territory in north-east Iraq controlled by Ansar al-Islam, a radical Islamist group linked by the Bush administration to al-Qaida.

It was Mr Saeed's misfortune that on the night the missiles fell from the sky he was sleeping in the next-door village. Most of the missiles landed on Ansar's tiny mountainous enclave, close to the town of Halabja and the Iranian border.

But four missiles hit Khormal, a large neighbouring village, and the headquarters of another Islamic group, Komala.

Komala's military garrison was also hit, killing Mr Saeed and at least 33 other people. As volunteers pulled corpses and body parts from the smouldering ruins of the compound yesterday, Mr Saeed's widow Aisha and 10 children wanted to know only one thing: why had America killed him?

"There is no excuse for doing this," said his nephew, Mr Mohammed. "We were happy when the US promised to get rid of Saddam Hussein and his regime. But this is replacing Saddam with another form of tyranny."]()

At times, a difficult article to read.
The author is chairman of the British Iraqi Foundation and a member of the Royal Institute of International Affairs.

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…] It is true that, this time, the British and US forces may assume control of sea, air and deserts of Iraq, but they will never win the war for the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people. Not only do the people of Iraq face devastation by the US and UK aggression on a scale not previously known to mankind, but they also face death and destruction by another war - the civil war that would inevitably follow. We know what this means, because we have been there before.

As a young lad in the town of Mosul I lived through the horror of the civil war in Iraq in 1959-60, when the communist and Kurdish coalition fought the nationalists for control of the country. With my brothers and parents, we used to hide huddled together, in a small concealed basement for days on end, absolutely terrified of being slaughtered because we were considered to be on the Nationalist side.

…] So the message from Iraq is clear: go home and leave us alone. You will never be welcome in Iraq as colonisers. Stop destroying Iraq. Do not bury our nation. Stop the war and give peace and the UN inspectors a chance in the name of humanity.

You should have known we’d fight - The invading forces will never win over Iraqi hearts and minds, Burhan al-Chalabi
The Guardian, 25 March 2003

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We muct not forget that 63% of the population of Iraq is Shia Muslim i.e practically all of the South, and it is there where the Anglo-Saxon invaders are facing the greatest setbacks and humiliations. Yet these people are supposed to hate Saddam?]()

that article by Burhan al-Chalabi in the guardian was a very sobering read about the trials and struggles of the Iraqi people. well worth reading the whole thing. Nice one Nadia :k:

Thank you for taking the time to read it, Judge^Mentull.
Yes, definitely a very sobering read.

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**We muct not forget that 63% of the population of Iraq is Shia Muslim i.e practically all of the South, and it is there where the Anglo-Saxon invaders are facing the greatest setbacks and humiliations. Yet these people are supposed to hate Saddam?
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Unless i am mistaken that was one of the motivations, Malik, for invading from southern Iraq - so that pictures of presumably cheering Shi'ite Iraqis, with flowers in their hands, welcoming US/British forces could be broadcast - presumably particularly in Muslim countries. This would have been a PR coup. Things have not quite turned out that way. At the last count, there were some 3000 Iraqis, based in Jordan, who had left for Iraq to defend their country - not for Saddam Hussein, but in order simply to defend their villages and homes. i have no doubts several Iraqis will view the US/British forces as liberators. Simultaneously - as the irregulars who are risking their lives by engaging in determined guerilla tactics have illustrated, i also have no doubts that several of them have become even more suspicious of US motivations and have rallied around their country to defend it from, as they perceive it, the invaders. The raising of that American flag (although it was taken down quickly enough) may not have done much to convince them otherwise.

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Exactly. US reporters were asking the Pentagon earlier where the "cheering crowds" were, because it seemed those very crowds were fighting the American forces when trapping them inside towns.
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I'm sure they'll ship in some Kuwaiti's pay them off, and film them while they pretend to celebrate.

An interesting, not surprising article. Just posting the last excerpts, which i thought summed it up but read the article in its entirety if you have the time.

Basra: Why they are not cheering, BBC, 25 March 2003

…] The sufferers from sanctions may take time to be convinced that the invaders are bringing them relief.

Iraqi nationalism is another powerful influence. Those who know the country say that it can hold people together, whether they are Kurds, Sunnis or Shias. It appears to be a factor in the current phenomenon.

A coming together often happens to a people under siege, and a siege is what the Iraqis are now experiencing.

Allah u Akbar this is the best thing if they stay this way.

Only if the Afghans stayed this way, they would have DESTROYED the “enemy”!

Sadly, Majestic, they will be able to stay this way but i still believe US/British forces will eventually overpower the city. That they have fought so bravely so far, for their homes and for their villages, speaks volumes i think of this brave people, with so little in their hands yet so much courage in their hearts. They are fighting not just for themselves, but for their culture and history - this is the cradle of civilization (and location of the city of Ur, birthplace of Prophet Abraham (may God's peace and blessings be upon him)).
i am not entirely certain for how long the city will survive the onslaught - remember, it's all about overwhelming 'shock-and-awe'.