Evidently there is a desperate need among some to equate American terrorists with radical Islamic terrorists...
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In fact, as some of the replies by some American's in this thread it shows there is a desperate need to show that a white American terrorist had to have Muslim links to have committed this mass terrorist act. It is sad to see you buy into this conspiracy theory, yet you are so easy to condemn others for their conspiracy theories. How revealing...
You just realised that now? You and some (not all) other American’s from your replies, seemed to have got pretty defensive about McVeigh. Quite revealing…
I wouldn'd defend McVeigh for a second. He was a crazy murdering terrorist idiot. But he wasn't a Christian fundamentalist. Your revealations are wrong assumptions. Why are your trying to find my posts as revealing about me and stick to discussing the topic.
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I wouldn'd defend McVeigh for a second. He was a crazy murdering terrorist idiot. But he wasn't a Christian fundamentalist. Your *revealations are wrong assumptions. Why are your trying to find my posts as revealing about me and stick to discussing the topic.
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He was a christian....and for being a christian you need to follow the basics therefore in my eyes every person who accepts religion is a fundamentalist as long as he does stick to the basics.
Osama definately had links to the Muslim faith. He is/was no secularist. McVeigh was anti-government. The gist of the arguement of those looking in the direction of Mid-East assistance to McVeigh, is that the investigation apparently seem to deliberately gloss over some suspects that are heretofore unidentified.
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Osama definately had links to the Muslim faith. He is/was no secularist. McVeigh was anti-government. The gist of the arguement of those looking in the direction of Mid-East assistance to McVeigh, is that the investigation apparently seem to deliberately gloss over some suspects that are heretofore unidentified.
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And why was he anti-government? Because how the government dealt with the stand-off at Waco,Texas with some Branch Davidians people.......religon was an issue here....
That is a good point, seeker. There are so many elements involved. I think McVeigh did not have as much ties to US religious cults, as he was outraged at the Government's handling of Waco, Ruby Ridge etc.
He was a christian....and for being a christian you need to follow the basics therefore in my eyes every person who accepts religion is a fundamentalist as long as he does stick to the basics.
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Religion isn't that black and white. If it were -- we would all be of the same opinion, faith, and religion. And within different religions there are varying degrees and opinions. Fundamentalists such as Falwell, Buchannan, Roberstson, etc, are nothing like the majority of Christians I know. Most do not have their intolerant and self-righteous views.
Christian fundamentalists tend to be traditionalists, conservatives, literalists. They are often intolerant of other views and opposed to secularism. They want to force their rigid intepretation of scripture and moral code upon everyone else. I think fundamentalists of all religions share these same values. IMHO, the percentage of Christian fundamentalists (15%?) vis-a- vis other religions (such as Islam) is much smaller.
I think fundamentalists of all religions share these same values. IMHO, the percentage of Christian fundamentalists (15%?) vis-a- vis other religions (such as Islam) is much smaller.
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15%? So from all those Christians only 15% pray to God live by traditions and work out the basics of their religion? AHA how amusing. Are these the BINGO numbers of this week or do you have facts that can strengthen your statement?
I would have to agree with Seminole. To beleave that Jesus Christ was the son of God and that God gave Jesus to take all man's sins is the basis of being a Christian. And I agree with Ali_R. That is fundamental and therefore those people are fundamentalist.
But, to live a relegious life to the extent that every facit is dictated by some text is rare. And yes, about 15% is right.
This, I beleave is not that Christians beleave less than other relegions.
I beleave this is because, Christians are saved by the Grace of God. Their salvation is not based on works. A beleaf that is taken advantage of by the American Media, and the Materialistic World.
15%? So from all those Christians only 15% pray to God live by traditions and work out the basics of their religion? AHA how amusing. Are these the BINGO numbers of this week or do you have facts that can strengthen your statement?
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No I said 15% of Christians tend to be fundamentalist. That's completely different than those who "pray to God live by traditions and work out the basics of their religion". Christian fundalmentalists are hard-core Protestants who are traditionalist, conservative, and literalist. They are often intolerant of other views and opposed to secularism. They want to force their rigid intepretation of scripture and moral code upon the whole society.
The figures I've seen in articles and news reports indicate that only 20 to 30 percent of Protestants are fundamentalists. To play it safe, say that 50% of Protestants are fundamentalists. That would mean there are 169 million Christian fundamentalists worldwide. 169 million fundamentalist Protestants out of 2 billion Christians is about 8.5%. That means just over 90% of the world's Christians are not fundamentalist Protestants. So let's change the Bingo call from I-15 to B-8.5.
No I said 15% of Christians tend to be fundamentalist. That's completely different than those who "pray to God live by traditions and work out the basics of their religion". Christian fundalmentalists are hard-core Protestants who are traditionalist, conservative, and literalist. They are often intolerant of other views and opposed to secularism. They want to force their rigid intepretation of scripture and moral code upon the whole society.
The figures I've seen in articles and news reports indicate that only 20 to 30 percent of Protestants are fundamentalists. To play it safe, say that 50% of Protestants are fundamentalists. That would mean there are 169 million Christian fundamentalists worldwide. 169 million fundamentalist Protestants out of 2 billion Christians is about 8.5%. That means just over 90% of the world's Christians are not fundamentalist Protestants. So let's change the Bingo call from I-15 to B-8.5.
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Seminole I do agree that most of those who follow the basics are intolerant in some or another way. But following once path or following something that was tradition years before makes you automatically conservative and intolerant.
The rules that are set up are to be followed but I know enough ppl who are fundamtenatlists (christians) but in ways do approve the motto: Live and let live!
