Iranians treat Jewish community kindly

http://english.farsnews.com/printable.php?nn=8412140695

TEHRAN (Fars News Agency)- Spokesman of the Jewish anti-Zionist movement of Neturei Karta International stressed that Iranian people are truly kind to the Jews and that there exists no conflict between Muslim and Jewish Iranians.

Rabbi Yisroel Dovid Weiss stressed during a press conference at FNA on Sunday that the goal pursued by the visit to Iran is to show to the whole world that Judaism and Zionism are completely different phenomena, adding, “we have been suffering from the false image portrayed by the Zionists for the last one hundred years.”

He pointed to president Ahmadinejad’s recent statements about the wiping off of Zionism and said that Orthodox Jews voice support for his statement and added, “we have already released a communiqué in this regard.”

In another part of the conference which was also attended by Neturei Karta spokesman for the UK branch, Rabbi Ahron Cohen, Rabbi Yisroel Pinchos Feldman from New York, Rabbi Eliezer Hochheuser from London and Rabbi Dovid Shlomo Feldman from New York, Rabbi Weiss demanded further contacts with Muslims, Iranians in particular, and stressed that the group could be contacted at the following address: WWW.nkusa.org.

He reiterated that there are millions of Jews all throughout the world who oppose Zionism and the state of Israel and reminded, “there are many congregations formed even inside the occupied lands and Beitollmoghaddas, these congregations which condemn Zionism and establishment of the Israeli state are humiliated, beaten and assassinated by the Zionists every where and their news and developments are censored every where and that’s another reason why we are appreciative of the Islamic Republic because this is Iran which covers our news and reflects our developments.”

“Zionists monitor all the media in their media watch and use different pressure levers in order to oblige the different media to censor any piece of news released against the Israeli state and Zionism,” the Anti-Zionist Rabbi said.

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I have lots of Iranian and Jewish friends and they get along fine. The Iranian people are more tolerant towards Jews and Christians then I am very sorry to say, some Pakistanis, not all, but some.

But the current Iranian regime is very anti-Jewish and has even been condemned for calling the Holocaust a myth.

I really don't want nut cases like the current Iranian president representing all Muslims.

Education is the key. Either you beleive in propoganda nonesense in which uneducated masses can be easily duped into beleiveing something like Arabs/Muslims/Pakistanis that Jews are the enemy of Muslims or the American people, Saadam had WMD, ties to Al Qaeda, responsible for 9/11...

It works both ways,

But that doesn't mean I don't want my fellow Pakistanis to be enlightened, tolerant towards other religions, have ties with Israel, support a creation of a Palestinian state, condemn arab double standards, etc...

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You are right. Iranian people are very tolerant of Jews. This is what this article I posted is about. Neither Iranians nor Pakistan have any problem with Jews. They have always lived with Muslims.
The problem is with Zionists.

Current Iranian government is anti-Zionist, not anti-Jewish. You need to read the article again. It was the Jewish rabbis who met officials of current Iranian government.
And in case you don’t know, there are many Jews living in Iran even today. If the Iranian government was anti-Jewish then they would have either killed or expelled Jews from Iran. But that is the point. They are not against Jews, they are against Zionist oppressors.

As far as Holocaust is concerned, the “myth” is the number (6 million) quoted by Zionists. It is the same thing as Bangladeshis exaggerating the number of Bengalis killed by Pakistan Army.

Jews are not our enemies, Zionists are. No person with an ounce of the sense of righteousness, would support Zionist actions against a helpless people in Palestine.

Being tolerant towards other religions does not mean the support to the satanic actions of people of an ideology. Similarly, condemning Arab double standards does not mean not supporting Arabs when they are being deprived of every fundamental right and all dignity by a racist government.


جو ظلم پہ لعنت نہ کرے آپ لعیں ہے
جو جبر کا منکر نہیں‌وہ منکرِ‌دیں‌ہے
jo zulm pe laanat na karay aap la’een he
jo jabr ka munkir nahin wo munkir e deen he

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"You are right. Iranian people are very tolerant of Jews. This is what this article I posted is about. Neither Iranians nor Pakistan have any problem with Jews. They have always lived with Muslims.
The problem is with Zionists."

-->So thats like saying, India has a muslim president and that makes them tolerant towards Muslims. But for the people of Kashmir who are being massacared, its ok to kill them. Dude your logic is as incoherent as some of your posts.

"Current Iranian government is anti-Zionist, not anti-Jewish. You need to read the article again. It was the Jewish rabbis who met officials of current Iranian government.
And in case you don't know, there are many Jews living in Iran even today. If the Iranian government was anti-Jewish then they would have either killed or expelled Jews from Iran. But that is the point. They are not against Jews, they are against Zionist oppressors.

As far as Holocaust is concerned, the "myth" is the number (6 million) quoted by Zionists. It is the same thing as Bangladeshis exaggerating the number of Bengalis killed by Pakistan Army."

-->Is that so?? Then why is it that more than 10-20% of Israel's population hails from Iran? Many Jews living in Iran. Their population is down to the thousands. Zionist oppressors. You mean the Jewish freedom fighters who fought off 5 blood thirsty arab armies and defended their right for their country? The 6 million number is quoted by the zionists?? Funny, I thought it was quoted by General Zhukov and Dwight Eisenhower who inspected the death camps and saw the dead bodies and saw the carefully kept records of all Jews that were killed. Germans were notorious for excellent record kepping. If that is your opinion on the Holocaust, the most brutal and vicious mass murder in history, then I expect there is nothing more to talk about. Since you are not even aware on the most basics of History.

"Jews are not our enemies, Zionists are. No person with an ounce of the sense of righteousness, would support Zionist actions against a helpless people in Palestine."

-->Funny, whenever the media does an interview with Imams or Qaris, they always blame the Jews. I support the Jews and their right to exist in Israel, just as I support Pakistan and the way it welcomed millions of muhajirs to come live in Pakistan. Helpless Palestine people?? You should see what happened in 1948, when 150,000 Arabs and Palestinians attacked Israel trying to destroy it. They weren't helpless then. Or when West Bank and Gaza was under Egyptian and Jordanian occupation. Let me ask you, why didn't Jordan and Egypt create an independent country of Palestine on West Bank and Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem???

"Being tolerant towards other religions does not mean the support to the satanic actions of people of an ideology. Similarly, condemning Arab double standards does not mean not supporting Arabs when they are being deprived of every fundamental right and all dignity by a racist government."

-->Satanic ideology. You mean the ideology that to kill all Jews, drive them back to the mediterranean... The terrorist ideology of al Qaeda, Hezbollah, Iran and Hamas??? Racist government?? Then why is it that 200,000 Arabs have migrated into Israel??? How many Israeli Arabs have been killed by rampaging Israelis?? Compare that too the daily carnage in Iraq or the way India treats its muslim population.

Go get educated before you start lecturing me, kiddo.

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Since when did Iran massacre Jews?
Or may be you are referring to Zionist massacres of Palestinian people.

Like I said, and you also said that in another thread, that Muslims do not have problem with Jews, it’s the Zionists all the way.
And just like the above article says, anti-Zionist Jews also have no problem either with Iran in particular or Muslims in general.

Just because many Iranian Jews want to immigrate to Israel (better economic prospects), doesn’t mean that Iran is anti-Jewish.
Like I said, Iran is anti-Zionist … every person with conscience is anti-Zionist whether Muslim/Jewish/Christian/Hindu etc.

No. Zionist oppressors, who planned to carve-out a racist country in Middle East, and throw-away its original inhabitants.

  • Why do you think that only Jews can be Zionists? I think there are more Zionist Christians (like Bush) in the US than Zionist Jews. Just take a look at yourself. Even if your claim of being Muslim is right, you would still be called a Zionist.
    On the other hand, there are Jews who are NOT Zionists.

You do not need to convince me at all. Because this is what some people think.
I do not take any side in this case, until the time that I do research myself. And right now I do not see the need for it.

I condemn those demagogues just like I condemn Zionist mercenaries. Muslims have no problem with Jews, but every truth-seeker has problem with Zionism and its ideology.

The land on which Pakistan was made was already a Muslim-majority area. This was not the case with Zionists. And so there is no comparison.
You might have justified in this comparison had Pakistan been formed on Hindu-majority areas, after butchering/expelling Hindus from there, and establishing a country based on racism.

Like I said earlier, there is no need to go into details of who did what and why. In these 60 years, Israel has not always been wrong, and Palestinians/Arabs have not always been right.
However, the problem lies in the fundamental Zionist concept of establishing a Jewish majority state in areas which belong to other people. This concept could not have been achieved without first expelling the original inhabitants.
The Palestinians were helpless in the game being played by world powers. They knew they can not stop Zionists in occupying their land by peaceful means. The only way left for them was violence. And they had all the right to use violence against an occupying force.

So it is Zionists who stoked the fire. Palestinians only reacted.

The Satanic ideology of Zionists. I explained it above.

No. The terrorist ideology of Zionists.

Because it is THEIR land.

Irrelevant. Other crimes committed by other people against Muslims, do not justify the crimes and occupation of racist Zionists.

hahaha.

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http://csmonitor.com/cgi-bin/durableRedirect.pl?/durable/1998/02/03/intl/intl.3.html

Jews in Iran Describe a Life of Freedom Despite Anti-Israel Actions by Tehran
Michael Theodoulou, Special to The Christian Science Monitor

It comes as a surprise to many visitors to discover that Iran, a country so hostile to Israel and with a reputation for intolerance, is home to a small but vibrant Jewish community that is an officially recognized religious minority under Iran’s 1979 Islamic Constitution. "[Ayatollah Ruhollah] Khomeini didn’t mix up our community with Israel and Zionism - he saw us as Iranians," says Haroun Yashyaei, a film producer and chairman of the Central Jewish Community in Iran.

“We are one of the oldest Jewish communities in the world,” Mr. Yashyaei says. “When Muslims came to Iran, we had already been here for centuries.” "Take it from me, the Jewish community here faces no difficulties. If some people left after the revolution, maybe it’s because they were scared," says Farangis Hassidim

She adds: “Our position here is not as bad as people abroad may think. We practice our religion freely, we have all our festivals, we have our own schools and kindergartens.” For her, the well-equipped hospital in central Tehran is a model of religious harmony.

Iran’s Jewish community remains the largest in the Middle East outside of Israel, and human rights activists confirm that members are not persecuted because of their religion.


It does not in anyway means that Jews in Iran face absolutely NO discrimination at any level. Especially with Zionist regime of Israel constantly threatening occupation and injustice, it is difficult for many people to start disliking Jews in general. (Majority of Jews are Zionists anyway). And such people will show their dislike no matter where.
But the point is that Iranian government, in general, does not have a policy of discrimination against Jews based on their religion.

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"Since when did Iran massacre Jews?
Or may be you are referring to Zionist massacres of Palestinian people.

Like I said, and you also said that in another thread, that Muslims do not have problem with Jews, it's the Zionists all the way.
And just like the above article says, anti-Zionist Jews also have no problem either with Iran in particular or Muslims in general."

-->What massacare is that? Sabra and Shatilla, that was done by Christians. Dir Yassin that was done by local Jewish terrorists and not done by the high command of the Israeli army. Please what massacare are you referring to?

"Just because many Iranian Jews want to immigrate to Israel (better economic prospects), doesn't mean that Iran is anti-Jewish.
Like I said, Iran is anti-Zionist ... every person with conscience is anti-Zionist whether Muslim/Jewish/Christian/Hindu etc"

-->I am not anti-zionist, never have and never will be. What about every Friday prayers, Iranians yell death to Israel,and blame the Jews for 9/11. Like I said... any person with a brain will support the state of Israel...

"No. Zionist oppressors, who planned to carve-out a racist country in Middle East, and throw-away its original inhabitants."

-->ARe you on crack. Zionists wanted to live on areas which had a Jewish majority. Just like Pakistan was created on areas which had a muslim majority.

"Why do you think that only Jews can be Zionists? I think there are more Zionist Christians (like Bush) in the US than Zionist Jews. Just take a look at yourself. Even if your claim of being Muslim is right, you would still be called a Zionist.
On the other hand, there are Jews who are NOT Zionists."

-->I dont know what you are babbling about there. But since you didnt refute my argument that 6 million Jews were indeed killed, I take it you have accepted it as your folly. Good for you.

"I condemn those demagogues just like I condemn Zionist mercenaries. Muslims have no problem with Jews, but every truth-seeker has problem with Zionism and its ideology."

-->Then why does Saudi Arabia won't allow Jews to come to Saudi Arabia. I support the existence of Israel, the right of all Jews to live in peace and practice their religion in the lands of their forefathers. And there is nothing that you can say to me, which is going to make me change my mind.

"The land on which Pakistan was made was already a Muslim-majority area. This was not the case with Zionists. And so there is no comparison.
You might have justified in this comparison had Pakistan been formed on Hindu-majority areas, after butchering/expelling Hindus from there, and establishing a country based on racism."

-->The land on which Israel was created was a Jewish majority area. Bacha why don't you read some books instead of listening to your local Imam at a mosque telling you about Israeli history. Butchering and expelling? Since arabs left palestine on their own free will because they heard propoganda stories by Arabs showing how evil the Jews are. And the remaining became citizens of Israel and even voted in Israel's first democratic elections. Your views on Israeli history are completely off, but its too be expected.

"Like I said earlier, there is no need to go into details of who did what and why. In these 60 years, Israel has not always been wrong, and Palestinians/Arabs have not always been right.
However, the problem lies in the fundamental Zionist concept of establishing a Jewish majority state in areas which belong to other people. This concept could not have been achieved without first expelling the original inhabitants.
The Palestinians were helpless in the game being played by world powers. They knew they can not stop Zionists in occupying their land by peaceful means. The only way left for them was violence. And they had all the right to use violence against an occupying force.

So it is Zionists who stoked the fire. Palestinians only reacted."

-->Israel was established on a Jewish majority areas. When the arabs attacked Israel fought back and took over more land. The arabs who lived there were not expelled nor were they butchered. They left on the propoganda they heard on Jerusalem Radio telling them how evil the Jews are. This was done to inspire them but it completely back fired and Israel took over more land. People move when countries are made. There was a huge cross migration with Pakistan was formed. You are blithering utter nonsense which will not hold up in any banana republic court.

"The Satanic ideology of Zionists. I explained it above."

-->Israel has every right to exist, as much as Pakistan...

"No. The terrorist ideology of Zionists."

-->There are a few instances of terrorism from zionists but its very marginal such as Goldstein killing 29 people at the temple mount in 1994. But other than that, there are none. That pales in comparison to Arab terrorism whether is kidnapping, killing, murder, etc...

"Because it is THEIR land."

-->Its not their land. As much as a Hindu migrating to Pakistan is his land. The colony was carved up and given to Jews and Arabs. If the Jews are so evil, where is the report on daily massacares of Israeli Arabs inside Israel?

"Irrelevant. Other crimes committed by other people against Muslims, do not justify the crimes and occupation of racist Zionists."

-->Not irrelevant. You magnify some petty crimes committed by Israelis and you marganizle crimes committed by others. You dont know what you are talking about do you. All your arguments have been totally defeated.

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I was asking if Iran ever did any massacre of Jewish people in Iran. Jeeez.

Now I am wondering whether you have problem understanding English, or may be you are too drunk. Whatever.
I will explain what I was saying, but I am giving you another chance to read what I posted and what you replied.

Zionists did not just “want to live” in Palestine, rather they wanted to establish the Zionist state of Israel on all the Biblical places right from the start of Zionist dream. This can not be denied. And that is the root of trouble.

You did not prove it in the first place, munnay. You only quoted some leaders, and I said that those leaders were inclined towards Zionism.
So what do you say now?

I did not ask you to change your mind. Where did I say that? hahaha.
Jews may live and practice their religion (like they do in Iran), but Zionists have no right to establish a racist state by expelling the original population.

Beta, this so-called “Jewish majority” was established by acquiring land a few years back. This was the start of the Zionist dream of establishing the state of Israel on occupied territories. Before this Zionist action, no majority of Jews existed in Palestine.
Pakistan on the other hand was formed on Muslim majority areas.

This propaganda of Zionists and their mercenaries has been proven a lie.
Read: “The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem Revisited” by Benny Morris.

A review from Amazon.com:

Many readers will be shocked by the numerous detailed descriptions of the violence exercised on Palestinian non-combatants by Zionist forces. Even the most pro-Zionist readers will no longer be able to deny that a massive ethnic cleansing occurred in 1948. In fact, there are repeated references to “cleansing” in orders given to Haganah units, sometimes explicitly giving instructions to kill adult males, expel the women and children and destroy their homes to prevent return. Often units were not faced with the onerous task of killing and expelling because the Arabs had fled in anticipation of violence. The infamous massacre at Deir Yassin was not unique; Morris states that there were some 20 massacres, two of which were revealed for the first time in the 1988 version of this book.
Morris could find no evidence for the often-repeated claim that Arab leaders broadcast appeals to Palestinians to leave their homes to expedite the killing of Jews by Arab forces. The appeals from the largely feckless Arab leaders were contradictory and had little effect.

Read Israel’s own historian cited above.

There was no original Jewish majority area at all. Zionists were dreaming of making a racist Jewish state since 1890’s, and it was only after this time that they started arriving in Palestine so as to materialize their dream.

The illegitimate establishment of the Israeli regime is the root cause of the conflict. Arabs knew that there was no peaceful resolution of the problem, as Zionists had declared their intentions long ago. The only way for them to resist violently, which they did.

No reference cited?

That’s a lie. Read for example the above book.

People can move, but they are not expelled and terrorized. This is what happened in the case of Zionist regime.

Israel has no right to exist, as its birth was illegitimate and based on occupation and expulsion of original inhabitants.
Pakistan on the other hand was formed on the Muslim majority area. Pakistan did not occupy an inch of non-muslim majority area.
So there is no comparison between the illegitimate state of Israel and the pure state of Pakistan.

I say it is the other way around. But irrespective of inidividual incidences, the enforcement of the state of Israel over original inhabitants stoked the fire.

If a Hindu migrating to Pakistan is not his land, then a Jew migrating to Palestine is also not his land.
And that’s what I am saying.

I did not say Jews are evil, but the Zionists are. This is why even today they have established an apartheid regime against Palestinians living there.

I do not marginalize those crimes. But this is just not the thread to discuss ALL the crimes committed against Muslims by ALL people.
Hope you can understand this little argument.

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You are using the same logic as Arabs are using, so whats the difference.... "its not THEIR land"? The only difference is that Israel was supported by US, UK.

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Lets ignore everyone's blaming Israel for 9/11 or Friday yellings. Why do YOU support Zionism? What is Zionism in YOUR opinion?

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I support the creation of the state of Israel where Jews can live and practice their religion in the lands of their forefathers.

If Pakistan can exist as a muslim nation from British India, then Israel can exist as well.

Pakistan like Israel is was an idea. Look how happy we are that we have a country where we are the majority, where we can practice our religion in peace and security knowing that hindu mobs cant harm us.

Same goes for Israel. Jewish people lost 6 million out of the total 10 million people in the holocaust. That was a brutal crime.

They created a state in Palestine on areas which had a Jewish majority. Arabs attacked it, trying to destroy it, and Israel fought back and so did the population that lived there.

Its a sad tale but its reality.

When nations are created there are major upheavals of populations

Look at when the Soviet Union in World war II advanced on Germany in 1944. Many germans living in Prussia fled. The Red Army didn't kick them out, but they left out of the fear of the Red Army. 4 Million people fled and 1 million of them died in the process.

Same thing happened here, as the Arabs begin to lose the war, Israeli forces advanced, the Palestinians living there fled when they heard fabricated horror stories.

Or in Vietnam in 1975 as the advancing NVA forces caused millions of South Vietnamese to flee to Saigon and then to the USA embassy...

Israel was never suppose to be as big as it is today.

It was only suppose to exist on Jewish majority areas

Since the Arabs attacked, the Palestinians were the losers

I feel really bad for the Palestinians, but they have to face reality

78% of the british mandate of palestine is now gone, they won't get it back.

Either the warring nations who invaded Israel compensate them.

My solution to Israeli-Palestinian dispute is a very simple one

Israel withdraws to the 1967 borders

The whole of West Bank and Gaza is disarmed and Hamas and other terrorist groups are dismantled.

UN troops monitor West Bank, until a stable government can be established

East Jerusalem is given to Palestine as their capital

Haram al Sharif is administred by the UN for all 3 religions to worship in peace

The palestinian refugees can settle in west bank and gaza but not Israel proper

Thats the solution

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There were no mobs haunting Jews/Zionists in the area which is now Israel, were there? 6 million Jews lost lives, Arabs killed them? People living in those areas were invovled? NO, it was Hitler in Germany who was doing it, so why not create the area IN GERMANY instead of some alliance of Germany? Per your own information, there were only 100,000 Jews in the newly-created Israel.... How many Jews were there in Germany, Poland, Austria etc. during that period? I'm sure there were lot more than 100,000.... no?

Pakistan was not created in Iraq, it was created and carved from the SAME land whose people were demanding a separate homeland.

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Errr no...

Israel was created in the British mandate of Palestine because thats where religious ancesteral home was.

Now as for the Arabs...

They lived in cities and not on Jewish farms in Tel Aviv and Haifa...

No Arabs were expelled when Israel was created

It was only after the war that this happen...

If there wasn't any War of 1948...

Then Israel would only 50 km long and 20 km wide

A country like Chile...

But the Arabs invade, and this happened..

As for creating it in Germany....

It was the Jews living in Palestine who wanted this as their homeland

When the French left Lebanon, they created that country for Christian Arabs

Just as when the British left, Israel was created for Jewish Arabs

Once Israel was created, Jews from Euorpe but mainly from Arab countries who were expelled came...

Arguing that since hitler killed 6 milion jews and Israel should be build on Germany is irrelevant

it was the aspirations of the people who were living in British Mandate of Palestine who wanted a seperate homeland for Jews...

Once it was created, Jewish immigrants started coming into Israel...

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oh bhai baar baar Arab wars ko kewn beech mai laa rahay ho? kis ne poochha post-Israel?

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As for your post#17, your argument still doesn't hold much value, the areas where Israel was formed contained only 100,000 Jews..... vs Jews in neighboring Arab states vs European Jews. What was population of "Palestine" then (including all 100,000 Jews)?

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The british mandate of Palestine had 100,000 Jews and 600,000 Palestinians Arabs

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^ and how many Jews in Europe (Germany, Austria, Poland etc.)?

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Out of the total 7 Million Jews at the start of World War II in Europe, around 1 Million were left alive after the holocaust

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http://www.paklinks.com/gs/attachment.php?attachmentid=1221&d=1138917495

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so you believe that?

btw, is that one the holocaust cartoons that were commissioned by Iran?