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lol the reporter made an @$$ of himself if you ask me
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well i am officially won over.
the guy spoke with dignity in the face of rude, deliberatively hostile audience and hosts. he showed the same grace in the wallace interview.
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youve copped out of this debate
no man, that debate was over when you started assuming what my motives were rather than addressing the very real issues I have posted about this regime.
however to pull the muslim world out of perpetual anti americanism nations such as iran need to be accepted in the main. this is not case at the moment
I accept Iran's pathetic policies just as much as I accept saudi arabias pathetic policies or that of takeban era afghanistan. I cant support the regime just because.
regardless of my dislike for the regime, I still feel that he was treated in an uncivilized manner by this Bollinger fellow, but I think he wanted cheap publicity and he got it. or maybe he realized doing this may get him funding from certain groups ;)
Bollinger showed himself as a man of no class, and rather than running a tier 2 ivy school, he should be the host of some idiotic shouting match opinion show like oreilly.
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Ahmadinejad blew it and truly any credibility he had was washed away;
He denied knowing about any punishments or dentions of reformers even though many are well documented such as Hashem Aghajari and Hasan Youssefi Eshkevari while thousands of others have also been arrested and punished for speaking out against the government and dozens of newspapers as well as bloggers have been shutdown or arrested under his watch.
He claimed that women in Iran are the "freest women in the world", yet in Iran divorces automatically give the men get custody of the children, women can be stoned for adultery, jailed for not dressing properly, and are banned for attending sporting events which men play in.
Asked if he wanted to see the destruction of Israel he refused to give a straight answer, when asked about supporting terror he responded with a question. Not a surprise, Ahmadinejad wanted to give a lecture, not to be questioned.
He looked forward to coming to he U.S. and give a lesson to any American who would listen and a lesson he did provide, about his character and about how he will try and decieve his audience even in the face of brutal facts, insulting to say the least.
Ahmadinejad said "In Iran, we don't have homosexuals like in your country", right Mr. Ahmadinejad, and your nuclear ambitions are peaceful.
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disunity is the hallmark of Muslims these days and has been for years. are you helping by criticizing our own?
Dushwari
Yes thr is alot of disunity but if something is wrong or if people dislike someone, we can't not say something 4 teh sake of unity, but it all depends on how the criticism is made e,t,c it has to be done tactfully :D
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Ahmadinejad blew it and truly any credibility he had was washed away;
Not w/everyone. Those who like to see some pee-wee stand up to big bad USA are still enamored with him. They don't care if he is a lying scumbag or not. He's a hero. His lies, distortions and half truths are overlooked or denied. Bollinger is right, he is either brazenly provocative or astonishingly uneducated. I say both and will alsol add manipulative, liar, dangerous and egomaniacal. But sorry to say, he still has cred with those who turned a blind eye to such things in favor of sticking it to USA.
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Ahmadinejad said "In Iran, we don't have homosexuals like in your country", right Mr. Ahmadinejad, and your nuclear ambitions are peaceful.
i dont think that he meant there were no homosexual folks in iran but I think he meant iran did not have gay ppl like village people, liberace, richard simmons, or that idaho senator dude.
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lol :>
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He seems to be trying to do something about that actually. Ahmedinejad’s government began a policy of providing grants and funding of over $5000 to men who want to turn into women. His government is now apparently proposing giving additional money to transexuals who want to start their own businesses.
Already, Iran carries out more sex change operations than any country in the world other than Thailand.
In other words, maybe Ahmedinjead believe that by turning the gays of Iran into women, he can one day say that he has no gays in his country?
Of course, from a Sunni point of view, his government’s policy in encouraging sex change operations is completely wrong. But Iran’s not Sunni, so…
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i dont think that he meant there were no homosexual folks in iran but I think he meant iran did not have gay ppl like village people, liberace, richard simmons, or that idaho senator dude.
Of couse they don't. Consensual gay sex in any form is punishable by death, you aren't going to have people being public about. So what? We are supposed to be impressed because his gross violation of human rights suppreses peoples' sexuality?
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abay bhai i was joking.
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no man, that debate was over when you started assuming what my motives were rather than addressing the very real issues I have posted about this regime.
your motives are personal/profesional and also correct and innocent at the same time, i dont disagree with your motives. the consequences however of bringing these niggly issues upon ahmedinejad and his country at a time like this are damaging.
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I accept Iran's pathetic policies just as much as I accept saudi arabias pathetic policies or that of takeban era afghanistan. I cant support the regime just because.
regardless of my dislike for the regime, I still feel that he was treated in an uncivilized manner by this Bollinger fellow, but I think he wanted cheap publicity and he got it. or maybe he realized doing this may get him funding from certain groups ;)
Bollinger showed himself as a man of no class, and rather than running a tier 2 ivy school, he should be the host of some idiotic shouting match opinion show like oreilly.
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ahmedinejad was ridiculed for one reason and one reason only. the wider middle east issue. i assume you are not in favour of irans tactic of confronting threats and obsticles(this being my only assumption!)
as compared to pakistan and saudi iran favours pretty well in all matters concerning human rights. its just that pakistan doesnt have the blatant daggers out for it. actually no asian country can be exempt from allegations of severe human rights abuses. so what we have here is a straight head to head on the nuclear issue and irans non compliance of US dictate.
regimes, negative exposure of an alien culture to the american public, gay rights etc is all designed to knock the man down, because he is standing and mozlem!
let the world live with and accept an upstanding muslim nation. you dont have to be a fanatic to agree, this is an imperative step in dealing with islamic terrorism. if this isnt achieved then pakistan will eventually suffer
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^ their democracy is stronger than any other Muslim country in the region, certainly stronger than Pakistan for example. Ahmadinejad is much more representative of Iranians than Musharraf is of Pakistanies.
That guy calling him a dictator is pretty ridiculous. He defeated Rafsanjani in open elections, a guy widely backed by the Iranian elite (and currently heading the elite body of clerics)
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when you ban your opponents from running winning isn't that hard. No matter, at the end of the day he holds no real power as it must all be approved by his unelected master (not allah).
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democracies win support for wars by demonizing their opposition thats exactly whats being done to this president
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when you ban your opponents from running winning isn't that hard. No matter, at the end of the day he holds no real power as it must all be approved by his unelected master (not allah).
your not getting anywhere with this are you?!
the ayatollah is elected by experts who themselves are elected by elected members of parliament :)
its a very common system
btw its Allah SWT
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when you ban your opponents from running winning isn't that hard.
Can you tell me which opponent, specifically, was banned from running against him? The whole ban controversy was related to the MPs running for parliament, not presidential candidates.
The guy he defeated is the HEAD of the clerics agency (the one you refer to as the unelected master i presume) and was widely regarded as the elite and powerful's pick.
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No matter, at the end of the day he holds no real power as it must all be approved by his unelected master (not allah).
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So you agree that the columbia guy calling him a "dictator" is nonsensical :)
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its funny how people hate him by twisting his words about the jewish state and jews....yet he has jews in his OWN ADMINISTRATION!
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^ their democracy is stronger than any other Muslim country in the region, certainly stronger than Pakistan for example. Ahmadinejad is much more representative of Iranians than Musharraf is of Pakistanies.
That guy calling him a dictator is pretty ridiculous. He defeated Rafsanjani in open elections, a guy widely backed by the Iranian elite (and currently heading the elite body of clerics)
You obviously never been around Iranians, have you?
The only Iranians Ahmadinejad represents are the poor and lower class. Voter turnout was the lowest ever compared to 2001 and 1997.
Stop fooling yourself, Iranians hate their government a lot more and have a lot more sense when choosing their path than stupid Taliban-worshipping Pakistanis.
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its funny how people hate him by twisting his words about the jewish state and jews....yet he has jews in his OWN ADMINISTRATION!
there are muslims in the israeli administration as well but that doesnt stop people like you from making scathing remarks against israel