Iranian brotherhood and IPI gas explodes in the face of Pakistani lefties

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Ok so now we hear Iran won’t sell gas to Pakistan on the pre-agreed prices and sell it to other countries.

Long gone are the brother-hood-hood and the ballon of Pak-Iran 1000 year history.

As I have said, Iranians are not trustworthy in any dealing be it gas, or water, or kinnus (oranges).

See this is what Iranian minister says: The tripartite peace pipeline [IPI] agreement is not an absolute obligation,”

http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=1533

IPI gas project hits snags http://www.thenews.com.pk/images/shim.gif http://www.thenews.com.pk/images/shim.gif http://www.thenews.com.pk/images/shim.gif ISLAMABAD: Iran’s warning that it will not sell gas to both Pakistan and India in case its nuclear dispute with the United States is resolved has shaken the authorities concerned in Pakistan.

A senior official said on condition of anonymity that the Ministry of Petroleum and Natural resources has taken the statement of Iranian deputy oil minister Muhammad-Hadi Nejad-Hosseinian as a surprise shock.

The Iranian minister told the state radio that the price suggested by Delhi and Islamabad is almost half of the price offered by Tehran and it will not sell its gas at knock-down rates to India and Pakistan, instead it will sell it to other countries on better prices.

However, when contacted, Jehangir Khan, joint secretary Development and spokesman for the Ministry of Petroleum and Natural Resources, refused to comment on Nejad-Hosseinian’s statement. He said the ministry would come up with its reaction after it receives a formal communication from Iran to this effect.

The official said no doubt there is a stalemate on the pricing issue and to this effect the Ministry of Petroleum and Natural Resources has sought the intervention of top leadership of the country to find a solution to the gas pricing issue acceptable to both the seller and the buyer.

The trilateral talks will be held in India sometime in July and this issue will be debated again. The official said Iran has linked the gas price with oil in three international markets — Japan, the UAE and Oman — but Pakistan wants to link the price to 30 per cent of its imported oil which it purchases from the UAE market. Besides the stalemate on the gas pricing issue, there is another stumbling block which surfaced on the “unjustified” demand of Tehran that Pakistan will not have the right to sell the gas to another country in case the Iran-Pakistan, or IP, gas line gets materialised. Islamabad has refused to accept the point, arguing that once gas is sold, the seller has nothing to do with it.

Iran had raised this issue during the 8th bilateral meeting at the level of Joint Working Group on the IP gas pipeline project held in Islamabad on May 21-22, the official said. The Iranian side referred to the Algeria-Spain gas accord under which Madrid cannot sell the gas to any other country, which it receives from Algiers.

Replying to a question, the official said that in case of the IPI project, Iran also wants Indian guarantee that it will not sell the gas to another country. He said Delhi also refuses to accept this demand

Under the IP gas pipeline project the two sides have agreed to a supply agreement under which Iran has agreed to enhance off take volume of gas from 2.1 billion cubic feet per day (bcfd) to 2.8 bcfd in case the project gets implemented bilaterally.

Under a bilateral project, ie IP gas pipeline project, Pakistan will lay a pipeline from the Pak-Iran border to Bhong, near Rahim Yar Khan. This will cost Pakistan about $2 to $2.5 billion. AFP adds: The Iranian minister said, “If the two governments intend to subsidise their domestic gas, there is no reason for Iran to pay this subsidy.”

Quoted by the Iranian oil ministry’s Shana news agency, Nejad-Hosseinian said Iran was not desperate to sell its gas to India and Pakistan. “The tripartite peace pipeline agreement is not an absolute obligation,” he said.

He also warned India and Pakistan that if the nuclear issue is resolved, other countries “will be the first customers of our gas (and will pay) even better prices”. The official also said there was disagreement with India and Pakistan over the amount of gas to be exported — with Iran unwilling to sell a large chunk of its planned daily exports of 480 million cubic meters to just two countries. “We think it is better for us to have various customers,” he said.

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The IPI project is purely based on commerce. Otherwise India would not have been included. I don't know why you are condemning the concept of "Muslim brotherhood" here. You need to think outside the box.

The concept of Muslim brotherhood does not mean that we "gift" our precious resources to muslim brothers.

antiobl:

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Iran won't sell gas to Pakistan on the pre-agreed prices
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It's the first time I am hearing that the price was some "pre-agreed price" setup by India and Pakistan. Can you please share your source?

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70% of Paki-stanis support Noookier Iron according to recent polls by Dawn. Here is the link http://www.dawn.com/2006/06/17/top10.htm

the only people on this forum who have problem with Iron are angrez ki aulads who don’t even live in Pak-istan !!! Iron is a strong country. Pakis will always support brother country Iron.

God bless Iron

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It is not just the price, the whole darned thingy has been blown up by the iranians. see what they say: The tripartite peace pipeline agreement is not an absolute obligation

You know what! It is OK Iran was supposed to do that. My issue is with our lefties who were going gaga over ayatullahs. That's all.

If you are an Iranian, have a great day.

If you are Pakistani, then mourn the death of well hyped pap-line.

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:halo: ppls loyalties arent that fickle.

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Good for Iranians in striving to become bona fide capitalists...

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Tribal people with no sense of modern trade agreements can never become capitalists. Looters may be but not capitalists.

Capitalism needs brains that is severely lacking in tribal and mullahtic societies.

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Hey thats why we do business to find the best customer. Iranians will do what suits their best interests just as Pakistan was trying to get itself a good deal. Not all deals get through. The concept of muslim brotherhood does not exist today between State politics today. Maybe humanitarian assistance may get some priority when it comes to the muslim brotherhood but thats about it in my opinion.

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the reason that muslim brotherhood does not exist because most islamic countries are poor and in order to make themselves better they need to step over islamic nations....

what could aleviate these problems is

creating a single currency like the EURO for the islamic world
no visa requirements for islamic countries to travel
no restriction on private investors investing in other countries and vice versa

this will really help the islamic world

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Iran always supported pakistan on kashmir issues along with china.

Lets never forget that.
Brothers are brothers even if they are on good terms or not.

:desimunda:

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Dunno how much Kashmir support has come from the Ayatullahs. Shah of Iran was a different story, a different era. Let's not mix the two.

Brother-hood-hood with Iranian maulanas is not possible. Any state being run by religious nutcases is not brother nor sister of anyone.

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You mean OIC should be useful in its existence.

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Diplomatic support is just a waste of time unless you have enough weight that you can throw around to make a difference like USA, China or Russia. If you have enough weight to throw around in the UN then maybe it matters. Like veto power. If not then by what other means has Iran helped Pakistan on the Kashmir issue. Help is what I call USA doing for Israel.

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Yeap. That is true!

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the OIC is a joke

its basically a forum to vent Arab anguish and so that other non-arab muslim states can show solidarity to it

when was the last time that Chechenya, Kashmir were discusses in the forum?

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Much like the UN ... well anyway, looks like the Iranians just extinguished the fire from underneath Pakistan. Kuch marham putti ke baad sahi ho jain ge. Now this is why Pakistan remains pro-American because after bending over they do give us what we want in the end. May be not to the extent we need but something is better than nothing.

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** **Which brother hood you are talking about? The brother hood that Pakistan is probably showing, by thinking that under the gun brother Iran should be exploited by offering some super low price for their gas and thinking what options they have other then accepting Pakistani exploitation. The brotherhood requires that the trade be fair and acceptable to both parties. Pakistan probably thought brother Iran to be like brother Baluchistan, which they have been exploiting for decades with no benefit passed on to the Baluchis, guess what, the slap on the face should be wake up call to fix the hypocrisies of the Pakistan's massive corrupt government. The people of Pakistan and Iran are as much brothers to each other as can be.

If Pakistani government thinks the price is too high then get the gas from CIS with over land pipeline from Afghanistan, where the delivery will depend on the whims of the massively corrupt Afghan government plus the cost of the project will be triple. The real question is what options does Pakistan have?

Deal with Iran fairly.

** NOTE: Refrain from using forbidden terms here! **

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You are comparing Iran an independent country with Balochistan a province of Pakistan. What hath you smokin'.

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I would not like to get into useless arguments; I have made my point already. If you have any thing substantial to state then please do, nit picking usually does not take any one anywhere.

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hehehe you are not alone..LOL…