Iranian-backed forces cross into Iraq

The plot thickens :smiley:
Iran wants to be part of any future plans for Iraq, even tho Irans Ambassador to UN said now is not the time for war on Iraq.

**Iranian-backed forces cross into Iraq **

By Najmeh Bozorgmehr in Tehran and Guy Dinmore in Washington
Published: February 18 2003 21:48 | Last Updated: February 19 2003 1:43

Iranian-backed Iraqi opposition forces have crossed into northern Iraq from Iran with the aim of securing the frontier in the event of war, according to senior Iranian officials.

The forces, numbering up to 5,000 troops, with some heavy equipment, are nominally under the command of Ayatollah Mohammad Baqir al-Hakim, a prominent Iraqi Shia Muslim opposition leader who has been based in Iran since 1980 and lives in Tehran.

A US State Department official said he was aware of reports that part of Ayatollah Hakim’s Badr brigade had crossed into northern Iraq but declined further comment. Analysts close to the administration of President George W. Bush said the US was concerned about the intentions of this new element in an increasingly complicated patchwork of forces in northern Iraq.

Turkey has long had a limited military presence in northern Iraq, and US special forces began moving into the region several months ago. The Badr brigade has been trained and equipped by Iran’s Revolutionary Guards and could be regarded as a proxy force of the Iranian government.

Iranian officials insist that force’s role in the north is defensive but its presence will exacerbate the concerns of the US and especially the Arab world that military intervention in Iraq will lead to a permanent disintegration of the country. Through inserting a proxy force, Iran is underlining that it cannot be ignored in future discussions over Iraq’s make-up.

Ayatollah Hakim’s forces had previously been based in southern Iran, close to Iraq. Two months ago they began moving into the area of northern Iraq governed by the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK), one of two Kurdish parties that rule an area the size of Switzerland outside Baghdad’s control.

A senior Iranian official, who asked not to be named, said the presence of Ayatollah Hakim’s troops was defensive and aimed at countering a possible attack on Iran by the People’s Mujahideen Organisation (MKO), an Iranian opposition group based in Iraq and strongly supported by President Saddam Hussein.

Another official said the Badr force had moved into an area near Darbandikhan, a depopulated and rugged stretch of hills and ravines about 15 miles from the closest point on the Iranian border.

The MKO used Iraqi territory to mount attacks on Iran during the 1980-88 war between Iran and Iraq. The Kurdish parties controlling northern Iraq have also expressed fears that Mr Hussein would try to use the MKO against them in the event of a US-led invasion of Iraq.

Ayatollah Hakim is the head of the Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in Iraq (Sciri), a mainly Shia Muslim group that fought in the failed 1991 uprising against Baghdad in southern Iraq. More recently Sciri has taken part in talks between the Iraqi opposition and the US.

His office in Tehran denied that the Badr brigade had moved into northern Iraq but said Sciri had maintained forces in that region for several years, gathered from Iraqi Shia who had fled the Iraqi regime. A representative of the PUK also denied there had been a recent movement across the border but confirmed a presence of Sciri forces

It's obvious that the US will do nothing to stop invading Northern Iraq, but the question is what will they do about Iran doing virtually the same in the South? Just as Turkey wants to protect its national integrity by making sure the Iraqi Kurds don't set up a separate state, Iran is no doubt wanting to protect the majority Shia's of Iraq?

I thought they would target Southern Iraq for seizing the swath of land to Karbala. Is that a possibility for this happening? Will Iran take action?

My gut feeling is that Iranians will find the opportunity to engate a much softer Iraq after the U.S. forces have left the area in a few years.

Iran is not backing these ppl. They are mercenary.

As for Iran taking Southern Iraq..Only a fool will plan such a thing. Iran is not thrilled to be slap with inhuman UN sanction like her neighbor Iraq after Gulf War..

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Iran is not backing these ppl. They are mercenary.

As for Iran taking Southern Iraq..Only a fool will plan such a thing. Iran is not thrilled to be slap with inhuman UN sanction like her neighbor Iraq after Gulf War..
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They may be true but it is interesting to see Iran's military development over the last 20 years........ particularly their surface-to-surface missile development. Now the latest kink: the discovery of the uranium mines. Iran has always looked at itself as the superpower of the Middle East (as in Arab only - lest someone brings in Isreal). And this was the reason that all the Arabs had allied with Iraq during the Iraq-Iran war.

Well unlike Pakistan, Iran actually has some balls.

If the 15 million Shia's of Iraq are once again going to be kept marginalised by a Saddam Mark 2 regime planned by the American Raj, then Iran has a right to intervene to protect these people. After all are the American's and others not going to invade Iraq for their own interests - why should others not as well?

Yeah man lets all do it, I always fancied the ruins of the hanging gardens myself.

The Iranian-backed Shia groups are poised to take their huge share of the spoils - surely the US cannot stop these people?

Iran-backed rebels eye new Iraq role](BBC NEWS | Middle East | Iran-backed rebels eye new Iraq role)

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Well unlike Pakistan, Iran actually has some balls.
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glad that you checked

This is very interesting development. Right now, U.S. is warning against these forces intervening for this would be regarded as Iran’s interference in Iraq. The Shias in Iraq would have to have direct connection to Iran by blood lines and not by faith for Iran, or it’s proxies, to put this forth as a justification for intervening.

Interesting, indeed.

Was pondering the other day about Iran..wondering if they want a piece of the pie? Or revenge if Iraq falls?

But..ok..I was thinking about the Kurds in the north..and I thought (could be mistaken) that Iran supported the Kurds in the 1980's?

Wonder if this is why I have heard rumors that Turkey wants troops allowed in the North? (so I heard on the rumor-mill called T.V. news)

<~~~ no expert here....wondering if the Kurds are Shia's?

BTW.. Have heard the American Government state time and time again that the the rebuilding of Iraq and Iraqi government should be representative of all the peoples of Iraq.....and they were in it for the long haul...meaning they weren't going to abandon the people as was done to the south in Gulf War I. Time will tell..

Was talking with my mom about Iraq just the other day and she said that if Turkey had/did allow it's airbases for U.S. use, she feared that the Kurds would be abandoned in the rebuilding of Iraq, and that she thought if the Kurds of Turkey wanted to suceed from Turkey..then they just oughta let em.

GBJ and Co have also stated that they intended to rebuild Iraq within its present borders. Time will tell.

My thought was that this War may create more problems then it solves.

What do you think?

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Well unlike Pakistan, Iran actually has some balls.
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Unlike all the countries, Iran is actually the ONLY country that has balls.

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This is very interesting development. Right now, U.S. is warning against these forces intervening for this would be regarded as Iran's interference in Iraq. The Shias in Iraq would have to have direct connection to Iran by blood lines and not by faith for Iran, or it's proxies, to put this forth as a justification for intervening.

Interesting, indeed.
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Well thats going to fall flat on its face because Syed Baqir Hakim and his force the Badr Brigade are NOT Iranians or their proxies, they are IRAQIS. These are the same people Bush Sr asked to rise up against Saddam in 1991 and within a few days they took 14 provines/areas out of 18 from the Guards but were beaten back with chemical attacks at US insistence and approval because of fears for their relationship with Iran.

Perhaps,

America couldn't afford the expense in 1991. Clintons 8 years have increased the money-flow..

Now..GBJ will spend the money. All of it and then some.

<~~As an American..ouch, that hurts. I could use some money to retire....at least for my mom to retire.

But ..I can''t.

and I want the Iraqi's to experience the abillity to make a life for themselfs, at least I think I do.....but..I'm jealous because..my government is providing for your rebuild.....rather than taking care of my family.

AvgAmerican: To answer some of your questions, the Kurds are predominantly Sunni Muslim, but there is a strong pro Iranian Kurdish Faction in Northern Iraq. I don't believe the Iranians supported the Kurds in the 80's, in fact most ethnic groups like the Kurds were in revolt against the Persian dominated Islamic revolution.

The US in actual terms did not pay much in the terms of copsts, of the Gulf War. Kuwait and other Gulf States paid the bulk of the cost of Desert Storm( the decline in the standard of life and increase in most gulf states deficits generally is linked with Desert Storm.

The presence of Turkish troops in Northern Iraq could cause a shoot out, between them and the Kurds. Turkey's treatment of it's Kurdish population has been quite bad.

Well then I hope the U.S. sticks to its guns on the Turk-Kurd Issue.

And is it not apparent that the U.S. just wants access to oil
and then some....

Is is not apparent that the American Devils do not want to own Iraq? We just want to create a free-trade agreement. Just do business?..

Just business.

We are not the evil entity some think we are.

east india company was just business too ;)

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east india company was just business too ;)
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/\ explain the East India thingie to her now :)

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Is is not apparent that the American Devils do not want to own Iraq? We just want to create a free-trade agreement. Just do business?..

Just business.

We are not the evil entity some think we are.
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Is that not "evil" "cruel"?? Some guy does not agree with your trade terms, you bomb him to leave his business then dictate your conditions?