Iran wows to defeat terrorism at all cost

Be peaceful, be courteous, obey the law, respect everyone; but if someone puts his hand on you, send him to the cemetery.

Malcolm X Speaks, 1965

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Its very easy to find out by lobing a cruise missiles or two at Iran and NK… But then you need balls for that no balls no cruise missiles but Bill Richardsons begging neighbours and collecting frequent flyer miles all the way around the globe.. Now isn’t that so very civilized.. :slight_smile:

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/FH14Ak02.html

Tehran’s missile test stirs concern
By Breffni O’Rourke

PRAGUE - Iran, defying international pressure, has this week reiterated in word and deed its hard line on defense and nuclear-energy issues.

The test of a new, purportedly more accurate version of the Shihab-3 missile on Wednesday coincides with statements from Iranian leaders that they have no intention of giving up the country’s nuclear-energy program, despite international concerns.

Speaking during a visit to Australia, Iran’s Supreme National Security Council secretary Hassan Rohani said that his country needed the improved Shihab-3 in view of what he called “threats” from Israeli officials to bomb Iran’s nuclear facilities. “It’s very natural that when our country is being threatened by a foreign country we have to get prepared to defend ourselves,” he said.

** The upgraded missile features greater accuracy, and a range of 1,300 kilometers, which means it can strike targets in Israel and also US targets in the Persian Gulf region. At the same time, Iranian President Mohammad Khatami insisted that Iran would press ahead with its nuclear program :k: , and is ready to take the consequences for doing so - an apparent reference to the possible imposition of sanctions by the United Nations, at the instigation of the United States. **

"We hope to resolve the issue through justifications, explanations and calm. But if anyone wanted to deprive us of our right, we and our nation would be ready to pay the price and not to abandon our national right

[to pursue a peaceful nuclear program :smiley: ],"
Khatami said.

Another quote from Malcolm X
Power never takes a back step - only in the face of more power.
Malcolm X, Malcolm X Speaks, 1965

Exampes provided on request

The Iranians are showing the way to the rest of the muslim world
Long Live Iran

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Long Live Iran
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Say What??????

Iran's Aya-Tullah Mullah regime has utterly destroyed the country and polluted other regions by supporting Shia militants. It continues to squander Iranian oil wealth while its people suffer from very high un-employment and terrible state of economy.

For Pakistan, Iran has been particularly cruel. It had devastating effect on Pakistani politics when it started funding Shia extremists in 1980's.

I hope Iranian Aya-Tullahs and Saudi Mullahs never become the way for Pakistanis. The impact will be so terrible that our beautiful country may become Somalia, or Lebanon, or worse yet another Afghanistan.

Long live Pak military, the protector of Pakistan.

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usa seems to be moving in direction of another war...this time with iran......but it will be a terrible terrible terrible mistake....if it happens, the gulf between west and muslim world would be widened to an extent that no one would ever be able to bring them close.....if kerry wins, i hope usa wont do it......but who knows....unfortunately USA is devoid of rational thinking now days and thousands of think-tanks are not able to pin-point the root-causes of terrorism......what a pity......

Iran openly supports terror organizations, suicide bombers, ect, what a pity indeed.

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they don't support terrorist organizations. that's what the US wants u and all the other people to believe.

for example Palestinians are fighting for their rightful home which is illegaly occupied by the Isrealis who the US happens to support, so US brainwashes u to think that Palestinians are terrorists and everybody helping them is involved in supporting terrorist organization.

Israel has the right to exist. Those who challenge that by way of terror attacks and those who support these attacks have to live with the consequences of such actions.

World Court rules against Israel on barrier
Calls 'de facto annexation' illegal, urges U.N. to take action
MSNBC News Services
Updated: 11:52 a.m. ET July 09, 2004
THE HAGUE, Netherlands - The International Court of Justice ruled Friday the barrier Israel is building in the West Bank violates international law, and urged the United Nations to take action to stop its construction.

The court dismissed Israel's arguments that the barrier was essential for its security and said the system of walls and fences went too far in infringing on the freedom of the Palestinians.

The decision by the world court was part of a lengthy and complex ruling read by court president Shi Jiuyong of China.

"The court accordingly finds that the construction of the wall, and its associated regime, are contrary to international laws," the court said.

The court also ordered Israel to pay reparations to Palestinians harmed by the barrier and return land seized to construct it.

"The court is of the view that the United Nations, and especially the General Assembly and the Security Council, should consider what further action is required to bring to an end the illegal situation resulting from the construction of the wall," the judgment said.

The judges were unexpectedly united in backing the decisions, by a vote of 14-1 for most paragraphs of the decision, with only the American judge dissenting.

'De facto annexation'
The court said the barrier was routed in a way that would encompass 80 percent of the Israeli settlers in the West Bank, while cutting off more than 230,000 Palestinians from their surrounding areas.

Despite Israel's protests that the barrier was temporary and not designed as a political boundary, the court said it could amount to "de facto annexation" by creating new facts on the ground.

It said the building of the barrier "severely impedes the exercise of the Palestinian people of its right to self-determination, and therefore is a breach of Israel's obligation to the respect of that right."

The 15-member court's advisory opinions are nonbinding, but bear moral and historic weight.

Court dismisses Israeli objections
The court dismissed Israel's objections that the U.N. General Assembly acted irregularly in asking the court for an advisory opinion.

It also rebuffed Israel's argument -- supported by the United States and several European countries -- the court should refrain from interfering because the issue was political, not legal, and could disrupt Mideast peace efforts.

"A legal question also has political aspects," said the ruling.

"The court accordingly has jurisdiction to give the advisory opinion" requested by the General Assembly, it said.

The court said it was aware of the political negotiations called the "road map," but said it was not clear its legal opinion would influence those efforts.

"The court has no compelling reason to use its discretionary power not to give that opinion," the ruling said.

The court dealt in passing with issues long at dispute between Israel and the Arab states.

It determined that the lands captured by Israel in the 1967 Middle East war are occupied territory, including East Jerusalem. Israel has refused to recognize Jerusalem as occupied since it was formally annexed by the Israeli parliament shortly after the war.

While the General Assembly and Security Council had never recognized Israel's claims, it was the first time Israel's status in the West Bank was the subject of an international legal judgment.

The court said Israel was obliged by all international treaties and conventions of international law, including the Geneva Conventions and common humanitarian law.

The Associated Press and Reuters contributed to this report.

well, you guys keep fighting who is the villain between usa and iran and in reality USA and IRAN are BHAI BHAI from now on…read these latest news…so probably we need to close this thread …lol… :smiley:

US Navy rescues Iranian boatmen

The Iranians were fed and treated aboard the aircraft carrier
A US naval ship in the Gulf has rescued six Iranian sailors from their sinking vessel, the US Navy’s Fifth Fleet says.

The navy’s John F Kennedy aircraft carrier despatched helicopters to winch the Iranians to safety after receiving a distress signal from their boat.

The six sailors had a medical check and a meal aboard the US ship before being put on an Iranian boat passing nearby.

The US and Iran do not have diplomatic relations and recent dealings between the two have been marked by suspicion.

The Iranian dhow, named the Naji, had a broken propeller seal which was letting in water, the US Navy spokesman said.

Lt Bill Speaks said he believes the vessel to which the six men were transferred took them to an Iranian port.

The fate of the Naji is not known.

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usa seems to be moving in direction of another war...this time with iran......but it will be a terrible terrible terrible mistake....if it happens, the gulf between west and muslim world would be widened to an extent that no one would ever be able to bring them close.....if kerry wins, i hope usa wont do it......but who knows....unfortunately USA is devoid of rational thinking now days and thousands of think-tanks are not able to pin-point the root-causes of terrorism......what a pity......
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Yeah I know exactly what you mean. Iran is gettign targetted by the Americans because it stands up to American agression. All muslims have to learn from there example. A small group of American New Cons will lead us all to a distatrous future.

Palestinian inmates on hunger strike

Children in Gaza demonstrate in support of Palestinian prisoners
About 1,600 Palestinians in Israeli jails have begun a hunger strike to protest at conditions they say are humiliating and unnecessary.

But Israel's security minister said they would not bow to pressure and the prisoners could "starve to death".

The inmates' demands include an end to strip searches and more prison visits.

Israel argues that prisoners continue to plan attacks from within jail and their contact with the outside world must be restricted as far as possible.

As far as I'm concerned, they can strike for a day, a month, until death

Tzahi Hanegbi
Israeli Internal Security Minister

The open-ended hunger strike is currently taking place in several jails, and organisers of the protest say most of the around 7,500 Palestinians held by Israel are expected to join it by the end of the week.

'Like animals'

A statement from the Palestinian Prisoners Society announced the start of the hunger strike, accusing Israel of "robbing us of all our rights, treading on our dignity and treating us like animals".

The Palestinians are presenting the strike as non-political. Their demands include:

guards to stop conducting strip searches

more frequent contact with families; organisers say 40% of inmates are currently denied any visits

improved sanitary conditions

access to public telephones
A spokesman for the Israeli prison service, Ian Domnitz, told AFP news agency that the protest would not be classified as a hunger strike for 48 hours but was already being deemed contrary to regulations.

In response, prison officials have confiscated televisions and radios, stopped the sales of cigarettes and sweets, and stopped all visits.

No change

The Israeli authorities say the restrictions are needed to prevent prisoners from organising further attacks from their prison cells, and the protest will not lead to a change in prison conditions.

"As far as I'm concerned, they can strike for a day, a month, until death. We will ward off this strike and it will be as if it never happened," Internal Security Minister Tzahi Hanegbi told reporters.

The BBC's Richard Miron in Jerusalem says the stand-off could escalate in scale and political significance.

Issa Qarage, a prisoners' rights activist in the West Bank, told Reuters news agency that the hunger strike would spread from the main prisons to detention camps in military bases.

Protests have also been taking place in support of the prisoners, including in Bethlehem and the Gaza town of Beit Hanoun.

Meanwhile, in the latest violence, a Palestinian stabbed an Israeli border policeman near Jerusalem, who then shot and killed him, Israeli police said.

Israel Radio reported that the attacker appeared to be mentally ill.

*But Israel's security minister said they would not bow to pressure and the prisoners could "starve to death". *

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http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/09/21/iran.nuclear/index.html

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Proliferation treaty

Of course Iran wants to develop nuclear weapons - and has the legal entitlement to do so

George Monbiot
Tuesday September 21, 2004
The Guardian

Poor Mr Baradei,
His mission is a parody:
He tells the states (with some aplomb)
They can and cannot have the bomb

Here is the world’s most nonsensical job description. Your duty is to work tirelessly to prevent the proliferation of nuclear weapons. And to work tirelessly to encourage the proliferation of the means of building them. This is the task of the head of the International Atomic Energy Agency, Mohamed El Baradei.

He is an able diplomat, and as bold as his predecessor, Hans Blix, in standing up to the global powers. But what he is obliged to take away with one hand, he is obliged to give with the other. His message to the non-nuclear powers is this: you are not allowed to develop the bomb, but we will give you the materials and expertise with which you can build one. It is this mortal contradiction which permitted the government of Iran this weekend to tell him to bog off.

His agency’s motto - “Atoms for Peace” - wasn’t always a lie. In 1953, when Eisenhower founded it with his famous speech to the United Nations, people really seemed to believe that nuclear fission could solve the world’s problems. An article in the Herald Tribune, for example, promised that atomic power would create “an earthly paradise… Our automobiles eventually will have atomic energy units built into them at the factory so that we will never have to refuel them… In a relatively short time we will cease to mine coal.”

Eisenhower seemed convinced that the nuclear sword could be beaten into the nuclear ploughshare. “It is not enough to take this weapon out of the hands of the soldiers. It must be put into the hands of those who will know how to strip its military casing and adapt it to the arts of peace.” The nuclear powers, he said, “should… make joint contributions from their stockpiles of normal uranium and fissionable materials” which should then be given to “the power-starved areas of the world”, “to provide abundant electrical energy”. This would give them, he argued, the necessary incentive to forswear the use of nuclear weapons.

The IAEA, its statute says, should assist “the supplying of materials, equipment, or facilities” to non-nuclear states. It should train nuclear scientists and “foster the exchange of scientific and technical information”. Its mission, in other words, is to prevent the development of nuclear weapons, while spreading nuclear technology to as many countries as possible. It is also responsible for enforcing the nuclear non-proliferation treaty, which has the same dual purpose.

There might have been a case, while Eisenhower’s dream could still be dreamt. But to persist with this programme long after it became clear that it caused proliferation, not containment, suggests that the global powers are living in a world of make-believe. The International Atomic Energy Agency has put nuclear technology “into the hands of those who will know how to strip its civilian casing and adapt it to the arts of war”.

It’s not difficult. Every state which has sought to develop a nuclear weapons programme over the past 30 years - Israel, South Africa, India, Pakistan, North Korea and Iraq - has done so by diverting resources from its nuclear power programme. In some cases they built their weapons with the direct assistance of Atoms for Peace.

India developed its bomb with the help of fissionable material and expertise from Canada, the US, Germany, France, Norway and the UK. Pakistan was able to answer the threat with the help of Canada, the US, Germany, France, Belgium, China and the UK. In the name of peace, we equipped these nations for total war.

Now there are about 20 countries which, as a result of foreign help for their civilian nuclear programmes, could, if they choose, become nuclear weapons states within months. When Russia shipped uranium and the technologies required to build a bomb to Iran, it not only had a right to do so: under the non-proliferation treaty, it had a duty to do so.

It’s not yet clear whether Iran has stepped over the brink. It is plainly enriching uranium and producing heavy water, which could enable it to build both uranium- and plutonium-based bombs. But both processes are also legitimate means of developing materials for nuclear power generation. To enrich uranium from power-grade to bomb-grade you need only pass it through the centrifuges a few more times. The non-proliferation treaty gives Iran both the right to own the materials and the cover it requires to use them for a weapons programme. If you want to build a bomb, you simply sign the treaties, join the IAEA, then use your entitlements to do what they were designed to prevent.

Iran certainly has plenty of motives for seeking to become a nuclear power. Israel has enough nuclear weapons to wipe it off the map. Sheltered by the US, it has no incentive to dismantle them and sign the non-proliferation treaty. Both the US and the UK have abandoned their own obligations to disarm, and appear to be contemplating a new generation of nuclear weapons. Both governments have also suggested that they would be prepared to use them pre-emptively. Iran is surrounded by American military bases, and is one of the two surviving members of the axis of evil. The other one, North Korea, has been threatening its neighbours with impunity. Why? Because it has the bomb. If Iran is not developing a nuclear weapons programme, it hasn’t understood the drift of global politics.

But what can El Baradei do? He can beg Iran to stop developing enriched uranium, but the treaty he is supposed to be enforcing gives him no authority to do so: the government has pointed out that it’s legally entitled to pursue all the processes he fears. This is why he’s seeking to persuade it to stick to “voluntary agreements”.

I hope I don’t need to explain how dangerous all this is. The official nuclear powers have junked the non-proliferation treaty, while the non-nuclear powers are using it to develop their own programmes. If Hizbullah clobbers Israel, Israel might turn on Iran, and the Middle East could go up in nuclear dust, rapidly followed by everyone else who has decided to join the second nuclear arms race. And the man charged with preventing this from happening is still facilitating it.

The obvious conclusion is that you can’t phase out nuclear weapons without phasing out nuclear power. Now that the old treaty has become worse than useless, now that the promise of an earthly paradise of free power and electricity too cheap to meter has been shown to be false, isn’t it time for a new nuclear treaty, based not on Eisenhower’s chiliastic fantasy but on grim global realities? Isn’t it time for Mr Baradei to stop destroying the world in order to save it?

Well, when Hanz Blix couldn’t do much, why criticize El-Baredi?

http://www.dawn.com/2004/09/22/int7.htm
IAEA, ElBaradei tipped for Nobel prize

OSLO, Sept 21: The Nobel Committee kept mum on its choice for the Peace Prize after a final meeting on Tuesday to pick a winner, although the International Atomic Energy Agency and its chief Mohamed ElBaradei have been tipped as the most likely winners.

“The Norwegian Nobel Committee reached its decision today and that decision will be announced on Oct 8,” at 0900 GMT at the Nobel Institute, Geir Lundestad, secretary of the five-member committee, said.

Observers have said they expect the committee this year to hail efforts to halt nuclear arms proliferation, tapping as likely winners the IAEA and its chief ElBaradei.

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If there is any country that is showing the rest of the muslim world the way its definitely, definitely not iran. If there is any way being shown by the iranis, its the wrong way.

Israel is not deterred. Would the Western governments back Israel to cary out its evil plan of bombing the Iranian nuclear sites??

http://www.dawn.com/2004/09/30/top17.htm

JERUSALEM, Sept 29: A military strike is among Israel’s options to prevent Iran from producing nuclear weapons, Defence Minister Shaul Mofaz said on Wednesday in the latest threat by the Jewish state against its arch-foe.

Asked by a newspaper if Iranian atomic facilities could be bombed - a tactic Israel used to destroy Iraq’s main reactor in 1981 - Mr Mofaz said: “All options for preventing this (Tehran obtaining nuclear weapons) will be considered.”

“The important thing is to stop the current (Iranian) regime reaching a nuclear option,” Mr Mofaz told Yedioth Ahronoth daily. Iran says its nuclear programme is being pursued solely to meet civilian energy needs. But Tehran, which rejects Israel’s right to exist, stirred world suspicion this month by defying calls by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) not to prepare raw uranium for enrichment.

Washington is leading diplomatic pressure on Iran to come clean on its atomic programme. “The American … demands for invasive inspection, threat of sanctions - appear to be the right thing to do,” Mr Mofaz said.

“On the other hand, the Iranians are doing everything possible to buy time. The question is what will happen first - nuclear capability or a change in the regime?” Israeli officials say Iran could produce atomic weapons by 2007, fuelling speculation Israel may strike militarily first.

Widely believed to be the Middle East’s only nuclear power, Israel plans to buy 500 “bunker buster” bombs from its US ally that could be delivered by long-range jets and prove effective against Iran’s facilities, many of which are underground.

“It is possible that Western agencies, doubtful about the success of the diplomatic effort, prefer to have Israel act in their place,” the liberal Haaretz newspaper said on Wednesday. “Nobody has asked Israel to refrain from a belligerent act.” -Reuters

It’s for gone conclusion no need to debate or post pearls of wisdom from every Tom Dick and Harry… Iran is a nuclear power no matter how you cut the cake, the terrorist know that… However the question is, who will be running the show from Teheran, that’s what terrorist are debating and assessing the impact, and it isn’t pretty!! For terrorist that is.

Just say hallelujah and sit tight and watch the show… Leave this thread as it is I will bring it back up when Iran does little Kim….

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....Just say hallelujah and sit tight and watch the show… Leave this thread as it is I will bring it back up when Iran does little Kim….
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Yes watching the show from the great state of Bihar (of Kign Lallu) is easy. Brand new internet connection is available to all the local Abd' us, Alis, Ansaris, Ghaznavi, and Lucknavi Khans.

We in Pakistan are terrified. Weather patterns do not favor Pakistan in case of nuclear fall out from Iran. It will contaminate vast areas in the south central Pakistan robbing us from the wheat and cotton crops. The result will be devastating on Pak textile industry and the wheat-flour.

What do shameless Bhikaris (beggars) care for Pakistanis anyway? They can walk around naked and sleep on the Calcutta footpaths. At least they will be happy watching the show.

^ You missed out on Kims chappal that has done wornders a lot more wonders then Ghaznvis & Abdali (oooh thats me)… try a history lesson.

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well, you guys keep fighting who is the villain between usa and iran and in reality USA and IRAN are BHAI BHAI from now on....read these latest news...so probably we need to close this thread ...lol...
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Its indeed indicative of a grave lack of intellect if u conclude from ur 'latest news' that Iran and USA are bhai bhai