Re: Iran Offers The Ownership Of Its Nuclear Facilities
OJ, thats just such a bias view of the muslim world. Being ruled by 'mullahcracy' is one thing and being irresponsible is another. Whatever happened to the term 'deterrence.' The leadership no doubt plays an important role but it would be a generalization if you are to label them all as rogues and maniacs bent upon nuking the world at the slightest pretext. Looking at history, I think they are mutually exclusive. Wasn't that a democracy that has the privilege of dropping the first atomic bomb some decades back?
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Yes, Ohioguy, we get your mantra about oh-how-stable-US-is, and you moronic muzlims are so unstable, therefore you bad boys don't get to develop any nuclear weapons... But you never answered the basic question.... if nuclear weapons are oh-so-dangerous, is America willing to offer a totally nuclear-free world? The answer is a resounding "no". So lets quit the high horse of trying to protect our "kids, grandchildren, great grandchildren". No one is really safe unless we rewind the clock to early 20th century and stop "Manhattan Project".
Re: Iran Offers The Ownership Of Its Nuclear Facilities
Yes, Ohioguy, we get your mantra about oh-how-stable-US-is, and you moronic muzlims are so unstable, therefore you bad boys don't get to develop any nuclear weapons... But you never answered the basic question.... if nuclear weapons are oh-so-dangerous, is America willing to offer a totally nuclear-free world? The answer is a resounding "no". So lets quit the high horse of trying to protect our "kids, grandchildren, great grandchildren". No one is really safe unless we rewind the clock to early 20th century and stop "Manhattan Project".
Um no. The US had had a stable government for 150 years before 1944. They have had a stable succession of government since 1944 for another fifty years. There have been no coups, no dictators, and most nuclear powers have had the same orderly political process for decades if not centuries. It is when a political process collapses like the USSR that the real risk for the world begins. This is not about Muslims. This is about the reliabliity of the political process that Muslims embrace. Now, as your country is run by a dictator who seized power in a coup, give me some rational assurance why I should believe that nukes will be in good hands in Pakistan five years from now or a decade from now, or 50 years from now.
The first question I asked when I came to Gupshup was, "What country is the shining example of leadership in the Muslim world. What is the model that will guide civil Muslim society?". To date I have not received a satisfactory answer, and arguably things have gotten worse, not better. Muslim political leaders are flopping around like a school of beached fish trying to figure out how to lead a billion people. Everywhere in the world I see Muslims fighting with somebody.
Work out a peaceful and reliable political process, then worry about the nukes. Stop thinking with your groin, and use your head.
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Work out a peaceful and reliable political process, then worry about the nukes. Stop thinking with your groin, and use your head.
There is no correlation between the polity of a state and their willingess to use nukes. America stands as the only state to have used such weapons; so if anyone should be giving assurances...it should be America. Or rather, the Americans themselves who have proven to be quite willing to go to war on the most absurd rationalizations.
Re: Iran Offers The Ownership Of Its Nuclear Facilities
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take the "iranian govt" out (see faisal I did not say ayotollahs here)
kick their butts and return teh country to its people
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fraudia ji, I don't think Washington cares much about whether Iran should be led by a man with long beard or a clean-shaven face. (it's more of an iranian concern). Iran has repeatedly said that they don't want to develop a nuclear weapon. US interests coincide with Iran's interests in Afghanistan. their interests broadly coincide in Iraq. the main problem is Iran's attitude towards Israel and support for Israel's enemies. if Iran stops meddling in Israel's neighborhood, and their rulers tone down their anti-Israeli rhetoric, half the nuclear problem will be solved automatically.
in Pakistan's case it is essentially the army which is supposed to protect the strategic weapons. in Iran's case, it could be their 'restructured' (no more anti-israeli) revolutionary guards who can safeguard their nuclear plants.
(this is not exactly my 'opinion', just the way i see things).
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Oh garbage. What the world really wants is full disclosure of the items that the IAEA has been requesting and not getting. At this point an enrichment program has been going forward without a reactor. It is not the known facilities that worry people, it is the secret ones, and the IAEA has enough suspicions to raise alarm.
This is just one more stall and delay tactic. The longer Iran keeps the world talking, the closer they get to enrichment. Tick tick tick.....
how is it garbage? I think this is a classy move on the part of the Iranians to show the world that they are after energy, not aggressive weaponry.
A long time ago Americans used to have diplomats and thinkers who could come up with creative peaceful proposals such as this - now all they are capable of is to sit in some sort of self imagined pedastal and pass judgement on everyone else.
That sort of closed minded 'you prove to us' is what is garbage
Re: Iran Offers The Ownership Of Its Nuclear Facilities
Oh garbage. What the world really wants is full disclosure of the items that the IAEA has been requesting and not getting. At this point an enrichment program has been going forward without a reactor. It is not the known facilities that worry people, it is the secret ones, and the IAEA has enough suspicions to raise alarm.
This is just one more stall and delay tactic. The longer Iran keeps the world talking, the closer they get to enrichment. Tick tick tick.....
I have a cookie and you can't have one and if you do, I'll take it from you...
How about setting example for the rest of the world to follow? Open up your facilities for inspections, have international monitors monitor everything you make and then ask the others to follow suit...
Remember, charity and change begins at home...
What America is doing right now, is a classic example of do as I say, not as I do...For a country that flouts international laws from human rights to war crimes, that sure is a big bull Americans always love to ride...
It's good to come down off the high horse sometimes and see things from a normal perspective...
How long can American imperialism last? Do unto others as you would have others do unto you...America has already shown that by treating others how it wants to be treated down the line...
Rest assured, US will be treated as US has treated others...Oh well, tick tick tick...
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Oh, please.
Iran is building nukes because the US failed to give up all of ours? And how does this thread always work its was around to the US? Does the entire Muslim world simply respond like sheep to the US? Do your really believe that if the US got rid of all of it's weapons that that would make countries like Iran give up their programs or accelerate their programs? Muslims countries like nukes because they want to feel powerful. They think it will make them world leaders. It is simply one more war lord in the middle east. Nothing that has not gone on for thousands of years.
Nuclear powers will not give up their weapons. The US has cut the number of weapons it has by over two-thirds however, and we have paid to have a huge portion of Russia's stockpile dismantled. We have beenb busy cutting up missles, deactivating bombers, and scaling down our stockpile.
The thing all of you are discounting is the chaos factor. The more total weapons in the hands of more countries that exist, the higher the danger of an encounter. Misunderstandings, panics, scenarios playing out, the cold was was rife with incidents that could have escalated dangerously. So far, countries like South Africa and Libya have been talked down from a nuclear perch. Iran and North Korea need to do the same.
India and Pakistan are genies that got out of the bottle. Does having a nuclear bomb make you guys feel safer? Or Does it simply guarantee that India would have to execute a massive first strike before you can launch?
Nukes in the hands of unstable countries creates danger, it does not deter danger. But what do I care, it's not really my neighborhood. Nobody has really answered if the prevailing winds blow toward Pakistan from Iran........ And your relationship with Persian/Shia Iran has always been good? You trust Irans' Mullahs? Really?
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Whether Iran has the right or not, a nuclear armed Iran is NOT in the interest of Pakistanor any other country.
I thought Pakistanis were intelligent enough to realise that?
Its definitely NOT in the interest of Pakistan but we are not talking about Pakistan here. Its a question of principle and adhering to the same standards when dealing with states be it Israel or Iran that have violated the NPT. My argument was that while leadership playes an important role, there is no study that can prove that there are more chances of a theocracy dropping a bomb on another state than a democracy, per se. I do not think there is a correlation between the two variables.
Btw, Pakistan has not commented on whether Iran has the right to produce weapons grade uranium for nuclear weapons or to produce fuel for that matter. Its quite diplomatic in its response so far, all that the country did was to condemn American insinuations about attacking Iran.
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pakistans official view is that iran HAS the right to nuclear power, pakistan would NOT like to see the poliferation of nuclear weapons and thus calls for a nuclear free middle east! i totally agree with that vew.
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This coming from the native of the one country in history which has used nuclear arsenal on innocent civilians and has been in more wars during the last fifty years than all of the world put together in the last 100 years…
Way to go American…On no account did I expect anything less…
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What's worse? Being a total jerk but with a big house, fast car and lots of money - or the guy who can't stand the jerk and insults him at every chance - but leeches off of him so he can live in the big fancy house, drive his fast car and live off his ill begotten money?
What really doesn't make sense is that if the US didn't fight those wars to stave off imperialiism, communism, facism, etc, there wouldn't be a big fancy house to live in - anywhere. Unless you suckled up to totalinarists, which it appears isn't so far fetched.
