Re: Iran is our biggest concern, say Israelis
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Re: Iran is our biggest concern, say Israelis
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If Iran is biggest concern for Americans then it should be the biggest concern for Pakistan as well. The World is full of mysteries and no one is immune to that. It is better for Ahmedenajad if he be moderate and not risk 70 million lives.
If Iran is declared a terrorist state and Ahmedenajad tops the “most wanted” list, then what about American helicopters and weapons in Pakistan. Will Pakistan continue its role in this “war on terror” and provide full technical and intelligence support in an attack on Iran?
Pakistan has repeatedly announced that Pak will not favor an attack on Iran, but Iran is not a terrorist state yet and is not a threat to World peace.
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Pakistan will never support that. Its a matter of Principle, Iran has done nothing wrong. Also 18% of Shias in Pakistani population will create havoc and destabilize a nuclear armed Pakistan.
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I have a feeling that Israel will peacefully coexist with it's neighbors without fear within the next 10 years without any furthur conflict. But this is conditional to who wins the next U.S. Presidential Election and the cooperation of the Israeli Government.
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nstar77:
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If Iran is declared a terrorist state
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HELLOOOO! Is anyone home?
What do you mean by "IF" Iran is declared a terrorist state by US? Well, Iran HAS been called and treated as a terrorist state by America right after 1979 revolution. Americans just plain hate Iranian government. But because of their past follies to start Iraq war, they have absolutely NO credence to convince the world that Iran is a threat to world peace. On the contrary, many countries in the world are now realizing that it is America/Britain/Israel nexus which is the real threat to world peace.
So there is no question of IF Iran may be declared a terrorist state, or IF America would like to attack Iran. Because they want to get rid of ayatollahs tomorrow... no... today.
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Of course I know it. This is the very clear lesson we learned from Hezbollah. Israelis CANNOT take casualties. And no matter how barbaric its actions are against civilization, this regime can suddenly disappear from the face of the earth. They are occupiers who have thrown out the orginal inhabitants of the land. They are foreigners who do not belong there, and they know it perfectly well.
The world knows it, and Israelis know that too, and this is what that poll found.
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USA has a history of interferring in other countries in an attempt to over throw governments and install pro-US ones even though they are bad for their people.
USA supported Saadam in Iraq, Neo-Nazi dictators in Brazil in the 1970’s, Facist regimes in Chile and Argentina in the 1970’s and crushed democratic processess in Iran in 1953.
USA refuses to be a part of ICJ becuase it fears that its own generals and leaders could be tried for war crimes.
USA thinks its above the law but beleives other countries should abide by the law
Certainly there is rising Anti-americanism in the world due to the double standards in which USA conduts it self and how it wants the rest of the world to behave.
But those are priviliages of being the world’s sole super-power, its human nature. I am pretty sure if a Muslim nation becomes the world’s super-power it will conduct it self in a manner that will feel like double standards to the rest of the world.
Lastly, Israel has a right to exist. The only reason that Israel’s existence is threatened is because it is a Jewish nation and the notion of Jews bullying someone is so alien that it hasnt sunk in the minds of the people in the world that Israel will exist and continue to exist.
As Long as Arabs and Muslims don’t accept Israel’s right to exist, there will never be peace in the middle east.
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The world knows it, and Israelis know that too, and this is what that poll found.
1st, Jews have lived on Palestine for thousands of years.
2nd, Israel was created on areas which had a Jewish majority. Arabs attacked in 1948 and Israel fought back and took over more land and it reached the 49 Green Line or the 67 Green Line.
Israel cannot indeed take heavy casualties as its population is so small, that even a 100 soldiers being killed is equivalent to Pakistan losing 10,000 men.
This dream of destroying Israel is a ficticious one. Israel will turn the entire middle east into a nuclear wasteland before it gives up Israel.
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HELLOOOO! Is anyone home? What do you mean by "IF" Iran is declared a terrorist state by US? Well, Iran HAS been called and treated as a terrorist state by America right after 1979 revolution. Americans just plain hate Iranian government. But because of their past follies to start Iraq war, they have absolutely NO credence to convince the world that Iran is a threat to world peace. On the contrary, many countries in the world are now realizing that it is America/Britain/Israel nexus which is the real threat to world peace. So there is no question of IF Iran may be declared a terrorist state, or IF America would like to attack Iran. Because they want to get rid of ayatollahs tomorrow... no... today.
*Bhai wo IF wala quote was not mine wo Umer Ashraf sahib ka tha:) :) *
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Look how insecuare Nazis are feeling after this last beating they got from that “ragtag” militia:
http://www.pjvoice.com/v16/16005victim.html
“From Victim To Criminal”
Interesting. Right? I don’t know if Israelis really understand it, or it is only that they are not saying it; that the threat to Israel from Iran is NOT militarily, but politically. Iran/Hezbollah/Syria may successfully defend their homeland against fascist Zionists, but they don’t have capability to attack and win. Iranians know that, and this is why they do not threaten Israel with military action. Iranians do not even have intention to make nuclear bomb, because against such a WMD they actually invoke fatwa, and they being a theocratic state, nothing can be superior than religious addict.
So the threat to fascist regime of Israel is no militarily. They are more concerned about how Iran lets every country in the world be reminded of the false foundations on which this terrorist regime was created.
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Not every Jew has lived there for “thousands of years”. Are you forgetting that Jews accept converts as well? Then who gave them right to “return” to Palestine, and expel the resident Muslims who had been living there for thousands of years?
Most of these Zionists are foreigners from Europe, who have NO RIGHT to occupy the land, and throw out its original inhabitants.
And who lived in Palestine before those “thousands of years”? Is the US willing to give up its control to Red Indians, as they had been living there for “thousdands of years”?
There was no Jewish majority before 1900s. All these foreigners came to Palestine with the intention of one day forming the apartheid state of Zion.
This time around, Arabs won’t need to attack to end this terrorist regime.
Great. I have also heard that Zionists are very disturbed of their low birth rate as compared to Muslims.
hahaha. Isn’t it what Soviet Union supposed to do as well? Don’t forget that Zionists are surrounded by Muslims. The result of such action may be their own annihilation as well.
Present day wars are fought not just on warground, but more on diplomatic grounds. Any use of nuclear bomb will be a diplomatic disaster for Israel, which may result in the end to its existence, once and for all.
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oh, ok. sorry. 
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mercenary:
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USA thinks its above the law but beleives other countries should abide by the law
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A typical fascist Zionist mindset.
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Jews have lived there for thousands of years. Its only after the fall of the ottoman empire that jews living there wanted to create their own homeland. The Palestinians were not expelled but left on their own accord due to the propoganda thrown by the arab armies.
The zionists you speak of only came to israel after it was founded in 1949.
I never said that palestinians dont deserve a state of their own. Gaza and West Bank should be the future palestinian state.
You are quite correct. There was no jewish majority in palestine but a minority and areas where that minority was a majority was territory that became Israel.
Arabs know what will happen if they attack Israel in the first place.
That is why they want to seperate themselves from the palestinian population. Olemert's plan calls for Israel to withdraw from most of west bank by 2010, but I doubt that will happen by then due to the war of 06.
I dont think the Muslim Ummah is as unified that they would want their own countries destroyed to see Israel destroyed.
Why would a diplomatic disaster matter to Israel anyways?
Judging from your views on Israel, as you have called them terrorists, nazis, facists, occuperis, etc.. and that same language is repeated by other arab and islamic states.\
Linguistically speaking, what more evil and abusive words can you call the Israelis even if they use Nuclear Weapons than you already havent?
If Israel feels that its very existence is being threatened, then it will use the nuclear weapons against its enemies.
As Pakistan would do if India invades it
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I mean y aren't they trying to establish a palestinian state? I mean that will wipe out most of the violence in the middle east cuz most of the violence is not religiously based however much western media wants it or portrays it to be.
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The only way to solve the problem is for Israel to withdraw from the West Bank. Dismantle its settlements and withdraw.
Israel has to take a gamble here that if it withdraws from West Bank that Palestinaians wont use the land returned to them as plat forms to fire rockets and missiles into Israel as Tel Aviv will only be 12 km from West Bank.
If Palestinaisn continue to fire rockets then Israel has every right to occpy that area again, but a chance must be given to the Palestinians.
Olmert planned to withdraw from much of West Bank by 2010, but that has been delayed due to the war of 06.
I dont think Israel will withdraw from West Bank until 2020.
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I understand your point but if an effort is made by perhaps the UN along with the Israeli government to actually show that they do have good intentions and that everything they are doing is to establish a Palestinian state, I doubt that violence will increase or even remain the same, it will decrease, isn't it want everyone wants.
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There was a small minority of Jews living there, just like Christians in that area. All others are foreigners.
Palestinians left because of barbaric Zionist policies, which we saw clearly in the last war when Nazis started attacking civilian populations. This leaves no choice for people except to run away from such area to save their lives.
But these people belong to that land. And anyone occupying their land will be forced out. This is the only just solution.
Everyone who came from Europe came on the insistance of Zionist leaders, with the aim of establishing the apartheid regime of Zion.
Who are you to decide? Every Palestinian who was expelled from their homes has the right to return. And every foreigner who came to Palestine as an occupier, will have to leave.
Even that “minority” was foreign to the area, and therefore did not have the right to declare their own state.
Israelis also know what will happen if they attack a determined Arab “ragtag” militia, let alone an army.
[quoteI dont think the Muslim Ummah is as unified that they would want their own countries destroyed to see Israel destroyed.[/quote]
You did not understand what I was saying. The effects of use of nuclear bombs will be felt in Israel as well.
Secondly, nuclear bombs are not the only WMDs. There are chemical and biological weapons as deadly as nuclear bombs. If any Muslim country is attacked by nuclear bombs by the fascists, it may choose to use them, and justify their use too.
Diplomatic disaster is what keeps Hezbollah alive, and Iran still mocking Israel and America; and the Axis of Zionists still not being able to take any action. And this is all when Nazionists cry that Iran is “months away from nuclear bomb”.
Well, Nazionists actually earned all those words. Their barbaric evil actions and deliberate attacking of civilian populations show that they deserve each and every word.
Please make it known that by saying that you are not giving any news. Looking at their fascist history, no one expects anything less from them.
But then there was Soviet Union as well!
We know Nazionists have weak points. For example, they can not afford casualties, and they can not live in a country with weakened economy.
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Here is the biggest problem.
The UN was never friendly to Israel to begin with.
Almost every single Arab and Muslim country wants to see Israel destroyed with the exception of Turkey.
When people around the world by Arab Oil or form strategic alliances with Arabs they have to show anti-israeli before being embraced by the arab and muslim populace such as Hugo Chavez in Venezuela.
When you have such a huge chunk of the world hating Israel, how is Israel suppose to get a fair shake at the UN?
Israel is the only country in UN where other members have not accepted its right to exist and have openly threatened to destroy it like Iran.
The biggest impedement to peace in the middle east is the Arab and Muslim countries failure to accept Israel's right to exist.
If Arabs and Muslims accept that Israel has a right to exist, then maybe it will be more flexible in dealing with the Palestinians.
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^I read a couple of headlines on couple of news sites, and they said something along the lines of Palestinians to recognize Israel, I can't find it anywhere now, but I mean I was thinking like what can U.S. or Israel do now, no excuses.