Re: Iran Develops Its Own Fighter Plane
Its a step in the right direction.
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Oh, I didn't realize you were Iranian. How is the weather in Tehran? And more importantly, does the autocratic government know that you are a moderator on a fourm based in the land of the Great Satan?
While it makes sense for anyone to back the people and future of Iran, for someone who enjoys the freedoms the west offers, including education and equal rights for all, it is quite bizarre your unflinching support for the ayatollah regime.
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^ ok pal, we'll join the crusade!
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Yes you are right. It seems they really want advancement in their technology. I was surprised to read this -
This nation of 70 million people has much at stake. Its auto industry has boomed in recent years to become one of the biggest sectors outside of oil, employing 150,000 and accounting for about 4% of GDP. With nearly one million vehicles produced last year, as many as in Australia or Thailand, Iran boasts the largest car industry in the Middle East and Central Asia. “We’re not talking small numbers here,” says industry analyst Jonathan Poskitt of J.D. Power Automotive Forecasting. “There is a huge aspirational population under 40 in Iran, with money, and they want the same stuff as everyone else.”
Re: Iran Develops Its Own Fighter Plane
While it makes sense for anyone to back the people and future of Iran, for someone who enjoys the freedoms the west offers, including education and equal rights for all, it is quite bizarre your unflinching support for the ayatollah regime.
i get it. if you happen to reside in the west, you gotta align your views to everyone else eh? if thats your version of freedom then thats pretty twisted. An if you think appreciating development in a muslim/third world country is bizarre by your standards, then.. well there's nowt i can say on that kind of mentality really...all i can do is pity it.
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No, I got it. If you are Muslim you get to butt your nose into other Muslim countries business and the west's business, but to a gora you say "poking your noses where its not wanted as usual..."
My version of freedom is the same version that you enjoy while living in the west while advcationg exclusionary, freedom restricting practices in ayatollah land. That is what is bizarre. Just because a country is Muslim and trying to stick it to the US is reason enough for admiration for you. Now that is petty.
Take a serious look at the polices of that government, and honestly tell us if that is the kind of government you want to live under.
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My version of freedom is the same version that you enjoy while living in the west while advcationg exclusionary, freedom restricting practices in ayatollah land. That is what is bizarre. Just because a country is Muslim and trying to stick it to the US is reason enough for admiration for you. Now that is petty.
Take a serious look at the polices of that government, and honestly tell us if that is the kind of government you want to live under.
Your posts are full of assumptions. Assumptions on the freedom we enjoy in the west, assumptions on the freedom iranians enjoy in iran, and assumptions on the reasons for the support for iran.
i do admire iran for standing to up to a nation that tends to bully and intimidate whoever they think they can. I admire her for coming this far in 25 years, facing isolation, intimidation and imposed wars and coming out more stronger and independent than ever. She is prolly one of the very few nations that can make a stand, when the majority of the world, including britain have an issue holding their own in front of such a narcissist of a nation. so yeah standing up to bullies, that def. is something to admire and approve of..
now perhaps you'd like to enlighten me on these policies they have in iran?
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ASSUMPTIONS? Try FACTS. If you don't realize the freedoms you have by living in the west, try living under the ayatollahs for a while and you'll know the difference.
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i do admire iran for standing to up to a nation that tends to bully and intimidate whoever they think they can. I admire her for coming this far in 25 years, facing isolation, intimidation and imposed wars and coming out more stronger and independent than ever. She is prolly one of the very few nations that can make a stand, when the majority of the world, including britain have an issue holding their own in front of such a narcissist of a nation. so yeah standing up to bullies, that def. is something to admire and approve of..
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Thanks for admitting that. IMHO blind support for a regime just because they are a thorn in the side of the US is not something to admire. You wanna defintion of narcissim? Look up the leadership of your beloved Iranatoyah.
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now perhaps you'd like to enlighten me on these policies they have in iran?
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Since you are the one who marvels at this autocratic regime, I suggest you investigate before lending your blind support. Looking at political, religious, press and educational freedoms would be a good start I'd say.
Re: Iran Develops Its Own Fighter Plane
Posting more seriously. From the looks of it it is not a true stealth fighter. It has some angled surfaces to reflect radar like the JSF or F-22 have, and those are just low radar visibility planes. The key thing with such a design is going to be whether Iran had radar absorbant materials to cover it with.
The design is a 1960s frame, but the flight and performance of the plane was generally good (equivalent to the Mig-21, still a good plane (aerodynamically) from a modern standpoint.
The key thing in modern aerial warfare is not how fast a plane is, or how well it performs, but rather how good the electronics it has are (radar, countermeasures, weapons). That's why the first thing that Pakistan does when it gets Chinese Mig-21s (F-7s) is to rip out all of the key electronics and replace them with European and American systems (European Radar, American missiles).
Iran almost certainly will be equipping these with Russian/Chinese electronics or local copies of those. (The original 1960s American electronics in the F-5s sent to Iran are now hopelessly obsolete). How good Russian/Chinese equipment is debatably. Conventional wisdom dictates that Russia's post-Soviet-era technological inferiority means that it they are almost certainly not up to the task.
On the other hand, conventional wisdom held that the Merkava was near-invincible and yet Russian missiles could crack them open (I wonder if Iran and Syria have placed a mass order for more of them, given US hostility).
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^^ Actually it took nearly 200 Anti Tank Missiles fired by Hezbollah to knock out 20 or so Israeli Tanks....in a gureilla war
In a conventional War, those odds are not good
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What portion of those missles were fired at the tanks? Hezbollah were reported as using the odler AT-3 Sagger and TOW missiles as anti-infanty weapons, rather than anti-tank.