^ If you believe that it was purely for strategic/business/commercial reasons, do you really think that players like Afridi and others were rejected purely for these reasons. feel free to live in make believe world.
I know you will only believe what you want to believe since its most convenient to blame someone (BCCI/IPL/GOI) than to accept reality and move on :) Plus we have already agreed to disagree, right ?
It is not a business decision Punjabee, it was a decision made on national origin and that is a NO NO in the corporate world...well civilized corporate world and not that of India.
I am not sure how familiar you are with corporate decisions, but risk is definitely a key factor in making those decisions. Are you disputing the fact that bidding on Pak players was risky ?
firstly, this is in pretty poor taste by the BCCI... they must have known that the Indian govt wasn't going to give visas to Pak players. so why waste everyone's time like this?
secondly, just goes to show that money is everything. what India couldn't do in the first 50 years with military might it has accomplished with its newfound economic power in the past decade.
thirdly, it makes you wonder that our players can't even take a small sliver of the Indian riches... but we should open our borders and let their filams flood our cinemas... and make money in Pakistan... but I guess you can't say anything about them since it's our own people who don't understand... it's like they said in the 4 Man Show... that we'll fight India... we'll eat grass... we'll starve... but one thing we'll never give up is Indian filams... we'll fight India while simultaneously watching and enjoying Indian filams...
the best way for Pak players to respond is by giving their all to try and win the next T20 cup as well.. ameen...
Having got that point out of the way, I genuinely think it was the franchisees call to pick who they want. Were the franchisees biased against Pak players ? Maybe - most franchisees are Indians and India-Pak do not exactly share the best of relationships today. But that did not stop them from picking Pak players for Seasons 1 & 2 (even though they did not play due to the visa issue). So I dont think franchisee bias was an issue either.
Listen smart alec, it is very simple and I don't understand why it is too hard for you to get what everyone is telling you.
On Jan 5th, IPL narrowed the list of 97 registered players to 66 players after the original list was reviewed by all the franchises and the franchises selected players who they wanted to see in the Jan 19th auction.
If franchises knew that they will not be picking up Pakistani players on Jan 19 then they could have definitely told IPL on Jan 5th not to place those 11 players in the final auction. But they didn't because they were open to picking Pakistani players. Afterall most of them had to pick 1 or maximum 2 players from the auction and it was not like they were picking up a whole squad of players.
Did any thing happen which resulted in political instability between Jan 5th and 19th which changed the minds of franchises? No!
So basically you are suggesting that franchises actually wasted 11 spots which could have been filled by some other players. I am sure business minded people would rather take risk of picking 1 Pakistani player in the final auction than wasting 11 slots.
It is simple. The franchises were told/instructed not to pick any Pakistani players and they followed the instuctions and now you are just regurgitating what bimbos like Shilpa Shetty are saying.
First stab in the back by the narrow-minded Indians into the "amen-ki-asha" campaign's new born.
Not only they lost the golden oppourtunity to come out on top of the amen campaign, but they also refreshed their stance of poor vision and extreme hatred they'r capable of.
I'm sure few handful Indians and Pakistanis can still manage to brighten this amen-ki-asha torch on their own
I am absolutely delighted because it exposes prevelant anti Pakistan mentality rampant in India despite what the Indian posters here say.
Such juvenile comment was unexpected from you. Seeing conspiracies where there are none.
While we are certainly not crazy about Pakistanis (generally speaking), I am sure you understand that these fanchises are for-profit business ventures and like any good businesses would want to hedge their risks.
There is a perpetual question mark over Pakistani players' availability to play in India due to the political situation between the two countries. So I am not surprised that the franchises decided against picking Pak players. Another side reason may have to do with public relations as the Pak players are not likely to enjoy as much Indian fans support as they did before the Mumbai attacks.
That said, I would agree 100% with the one statement thrown around here often - that Pakistan is a formidable Twenty20 outfit. And they have a pack of tullaybaazs who could have done IPL good.
While we are certainly not crazy about Pakistanis (generally speaking), I am sure you understand that these fanchises are *for-profit business ventures and like any good businesses * would want to hedge their risks.
That is the worst argument some1, how do you ignore quality players with proven T20 track records
that you can get for less than Pollard/Kaif/Bond/Roach price......No one who has SOLE business on his mind would take the decision that were taken today, the decisions were taken based on more than business in mind, and you are not even brave enough to except it.
That is the worst argument some1, how do you ignore quality players with proven T20 track records
that you can get for less than Pollard/Kaif/Bond/Roach price......No one who has SOLE business on his mind would take the decision that were taken today, the decisions were taken based on more than business in mind, and you are not even brave enough to except it.
It has more to do with the uncertainity of these players being available at that time to play !!!! Last time Pakistan government stopped them just before the auctions .... what if they are stopped just before the matches !!!!!! So it makes better sense to let it pass for some time and see how things shape up. And that is what the franshises have done ......
It has more to do with the uncertainity of these players being available at that time to play !!!! Last time Pakistan government stopped them just before the auctions .... what if they are stopped just before the matches !!!!!! So it makes better sense to let it pass for some time and see how things shape up. And that is what the franshises have done ......
I think people are going around in circles posting without reading what others are saying. If the above was the concern, why not clarify this before the auction list was put out first. Read my mail from earlier today - only explanation that makes sense is a last-minute intervention by the government. And even that doesnt excuse the IPL's lack of class in handling the subsequent events. As an Indian, it hurts me to say this, but this whole thing was handled extremely poorly. No amount of spin will change that. How would we like it if we were on the receiving end of this treatment?
I think people are going around in circles posting without reading what others are saying. If the above was the concern, why not clarify this before the auction list was put out first. Read my mail from earlier today - only explanation that makes sense is a last-minute intervention by the government. And even that doesnt excuse the IPL's lack of class in handling the subsequent events. As an Indian, it hurts me to say this, but this whole thing was handled extremely poorly. No amount of spin will change that. How would we like it if we were on the receiving end of this treatment?
What would they have clarified before the auction !!!!! They could not remove the Pakistani players because there was no cause to do so, no one has said anything about not giving visa to Pakistani players ...... but at the same time there is an element of uncertainity with regards to Pakistani players ..... the government in Pakistan refused to give visa's last time becuase of the "security situation" in India.... now their sports minister is crying that our players were not picked .... so suddenly the "security situation" has improved in India.
It is a shame that Pakistani players cannot play in IPL and it is IPL's loss then anything .... but to say that there is some delibrate attempt to keep Pakistani players is in my opinion far fetched !!!!
Kaisi baatein kar rahe ho yaar? IPL was worried that Pak govt wouldnt give the visa?? After the no objection certificate had already been obtained?? Even for arguments sake, if you assume you are right, and that was the risk the IPL teams were weighing, if Pollard and the like can go for around $1M, punting $100K for someone like Afridi on the off chance that the visa came through would make a whole lot of sense. And yet no team took that risk? Somewhat tough to believe. Anyway, the whole story should be leaking out over the next few weeks, so we'll see.
The Pakistan Sports Ministry has said it has no objection if the Pakistani cricketers decide to take part in the second edition of the Indian Premier League (IPL) in April but made it clear that their security would be their own and respective IPL team’s responsibility
Sports Minister Pir Aftab Shah Jillani said in an interview that the Ministry had sent its recommendations on a note moved by the Pakistan Cricket Board to the President’s Secretariat.
Sports Minister Pir Aftab Shah Jilani said that the decision had been taken on the advice of the Foreign Office that because of tensions between the two countries in the aftermath of the Mumbai attacks the situation was not conducive for the players to go to India.
So if you are to put your money … this factor would play into your mind !!!
All Pakistani crickets are rejected in *IPL*, no franchise buy any Pakistani Cricketer, this is very big insult for our national heroes, we strongly condemned this
.it is requested to bane all Indian channels
. all Indian movies in *Pakistan**** cinemas
. All Indian products
. ***IPL*** matches on Geo supper and other channels should be blocked also in news ,***
All Pakistani crickets are rejected in IPL, no franchise buy any Pakistani Cricketer, this is very big insult for our national heroes, we strongly condemned this
.it is requested to bane all Indian channels
. all Indian movies in Pakistan cinemas
. All Indian products
. IPL matches on Geo supper and other channels should be blocked also in news ,
All Pakistani crickets are rejected in *IPL***, no franchise buy any Pakistani Cricketer, this is very big insult for our national heroes, we strongly condemned this **
.it is requested to bane all Indian channels. all Indian movies in *Pakistan**** cinemas ***
. All Indian products. *IPL**** matches on Geo supper and other channels should be blocked also in news ,***
Yes..Please do that...And, next year send another list of players for IPL-4.
Such juvenile comment was unexpected from you. Seeing conspiracies where there are none.
While we are certainly not crazy about Pakistanis (generally speaking), *I am sure you understand that these fanchises are for-profit business ventures and like any good businesses would want to hedge their risks. *
There is a perpetual question mark over Pakistani players' availability to play in India due to the political situation between the two countries. So I am not surprised that the franchises decided against picking Pak players. Another side reason may have to do with public relations as the Pak players are not likely to enjoy as much Indian fans support as they did before the Mumbai attacks.
That said, I would agree 100% with the one statement thrown around here often - that Pakistan is a formidable Twenty20 outfit. And they have a pack of tullaybaazs who could have done IPL good.
You just contradicted yourself.
All Indian posters are hiding behind security concerns to justify this pathetic decision. Question is didnt they have brains to think of this security concern when the list was being drawn up or which event has taken place since the drawing up of the list that has prompted them not to bid for Pakistani players.