Re: IPL auction: Pakistani players ignored
its not us but the entire world consider this country a mojor source of all the problems-in one hand pakistan is busy creating terror groups brain washing people in the name of religion-good job done by IPL
So if the visas were already given then what was the issue? The franchises just hypothesized that something might happen before the start of IPL 3 which will cause some political unstability and Pakistan cricketers will not travel to India????
And Mr. Modi Chairman of IPL and Vice President of BCCI says that he had no idea that franchise will not going to bid for Pakistani players. He is so masoom. Next he'll say that had he known he would have told franchises not to worry since all the Pakistani players already have got visas.
I think you should understand the Term Visa.
A Visa issued does not guarantee you an Entry into the Country for which the Visa is issued.
A Visa only acknowledges the fact that the Documents presented are Genuine. Of course there are many Fake Passports as there are Fake Visas.
In addition, I believe, the Visas issued to the Pakistani Visitors to India are only for the Purpose of the Visit – in this case to participate in the Auction. The Visa issued does not guarantee Employment. Strictly speaking after the completion of the Auction the Pakistani Players were technically not even allowed to spend another day in India.
After getting selected in the Auction the Employers have to apply to the Authorities for a Work Permit.
The above may not be 100% correct and I welcome correction from the better informed Members of this Forum.
Disclaimer : I am not an expert on Immigration matters.
Please read the following from Dawn :
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What can Pakistan say to others about security when it cannot guarantee a repeat of the 26 November 2008 Attack by Pakistani Terrorists, of course Non-State Actors, when it cannot guarantee protection of its own citizens in Pakistan from attacks by Pakistani Non-State Actors.
I would like Pakistanis in General and the PCB in Particular to Firmly State Unequivocally that Pakistan will have nothing to do with India in terms of “Cross Border” Trade, Sport, Arts, Entertainment, Tourism and not even have Pakistani Sport, Arts, Entertainment etc. Teams to interact with their Indian Counterparts even at Neutral Venues.
That will ensure that India understands the Pakistani perceived “Hurt and Insult” to Pakistan’s Honour & Dignity.
I would clarify that the IPL episode is, in my opinion, an ordinary commercial decision and in no way meant to Hurt and Insult Pakistan’s Honour and Dignity.
So if the visas were already given then what was the issue? The franchises just hypothesized that something might happen before the start of IPL 3 which will cause some political unstability and Pakistan cricketers will not travel to India????
Yes, in a nutshell that is what it boils down to. Historically whenever peaceful overtures have been made by India, we have been stabbed in the back. 1999 Kargil and 26/11 Mumbai are two recent incidents that come to mind. Can you dispute that fact ?
Also remember that things havent exactly normalized since 26/11. Pak govt has been playing the blame game on 26/11 and is yet to act against the masterminds. Why would any sane businessman in his right senses spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to get a Pak player who may or may not play when they can get talent from other countries ? Imagine how a Mumbai Indians fan would respond to a Pak player playing for his team, when certain other Pak "players" are carrying out 26/11 style attacks in his city ?
Its pretty easy to play the victim here, but keep in mind that the anti-India state policy of Pak is mostly to blame here.
Yes, in a nutshell that is what it boils down to. Historically whenever peaceful overtures have been made by India, we have been stabbed in the back. 1999 Kargil and 26/11 Mumbai are two recent incidents that come to mind. Can you dispute that fact ?
Also remember that things havent exactly normalized since 26/11. Pak govt has been playing the blame game on 26/11 and is yet to act against the masterminds. Why would any sane businessman in his right senses spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to get a Pak player who may or may not play when they can get talent from other countries ? Imagine how a Mumbai Indians fan would respond to a Pak player playing for his team, when certain other Pak "players" are carrying out 26/11 style attacks in his city ?
Its pretty easy to play the victim here, but keep in mind that the anti-India state policy of Pak is mostly to blame here.
Meray murghey kee eik hee taang. If all this had happened and I am sure you are not the only one to know about the "terrible" Pakistan than why did they put their names on the list or didnt they know about all this at the time and you sent them an email one day before the bidding to inform them of the "terrible" Paksitan.
As I said before the atitude being displayed is "that India can do no wrong and we will defend it at all costs, regardless". Displaying such blatant anti Pakistan feelings India is not mostly but totally to be blamed here.
...Iam sure you are nto the only one to know about the "terrible" Pakistan than why did they put their names on the list or didnt they know about all this at the time and you sent them an email one day before the bidding to inform them of the "terrible" Paksitan.
That was a mistake IMO. They should have been banned upfront, given the current situation between the two countries.
Displaying such blatant anti Pakistan feelings India is not mostly but totally to be blamed here.
Can you really blame the franchisees for displaying this "anti-Pak" feeling, if at all the did that ?
Re: IPL auction: Pakistani players ignored
You guys still going at at? That is so last week. :)
That was a mistake IMO. They should have been banned upfront, given the current situation between the two countries.
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so finally you got our point. There was no need for the franchises and IPL to do all the dramay bazi of putting them in the auction list when they knew there were not going to bid for Pakistani players.
Took us all 3 days and 10 pages to make you understand this simple thing.
That was a mistake IMO. They should have been banned upfront, given the current situation between the two countries.
Thank you PIU, that is what I was saying all along.
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The only reason one would try to mix politics with sport is when one CAN NOT beat the opponent on the sport, and doesnt think that opponent can be beaten in ground.
Going by your logic - is that why Pakistan government did not give permission to their players last year :D
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No Pakistani players were not allowed to play in IPL because India refused to tour Pak in January...get your facts right!!!
Pak did not pull out of Indo-Pak cricket from 1961 to 1977, nor from 89 -- 99...start paying attention to your history, knowing it helps!!
Pakistan/India are like husband and wife. This sh!t will never end. Indians should have been more professional about the whole thing and Pakistanies should worry about the job at hand.
Yeh sur bulatay hain, jub tum idher nhin atay lol! IPL na sahi sur hi sahi
aman ki asha..who is asha..screw her.
On a side note, I hope Aussies come back alive!
Have never watched IPL, will never do! IPL must be banned from Pak TV, so should be the [EMAIL="cr@p"]cr@p indian cinema.
Taking it to one step further, boycott all indian matches and do not let them open threads on Paklinks about any match where india is involved.
Taking it yet another step further, ban all the indian posters on Paklinks. No Pak franchises want them here...
so finally you got our point. There was no need for the franchises and IPL to do all the dramay bazi of putting them in the auction list when they knew there were not going to bid for Pakistani players.
Took us all 3 days and 10 pages to make you understand this simple thing.
Not really :) Your point was that this was a deliberate attempt by the Indian govt/franchisees to humiliate Pak players which I did not agree with.
But glad to know that we finally see things the same way.
^ you are just putting a spin on words here. if humiliation and making a political statement was not the intention for this faux pas, then what is the reason? an oversight? a mere coincidence? come on, no ones that naive!
Not really :) Your point was that this was a deliberate attempt by the Indian govt/franchisees to humiliate Pak players which I did not agree with.
But glad to know that we finally see things the same way.
Well I have realized that you are as confused as the franchise owners who were constantly changing their stance. I guess you have given 3-4 different versions of what you believe so I guess it is useless to argue with you :)
Re: IPL auction: Pakistani players ignored
I really do no understand the hue and cry over here. Certain businessmen decided not to hire the Pakistani players. Whatever it was, the decision was taken by these guys. True the govt might have prodded them, but still this tournament is an India based tournament and why is that these players are so wanting to play in an India based tournament while your PM is saying that he cannot guarantee a repeat of 26/11 by the so called non state actors...
Pakistan/India are like husband and wife.
I'd like to know who's the husband and who's the wife. There are repercussions, you know.
Whatever dude…
No IPL ever, says Pak board- Hindustan Times](http://www.hindustantimes.com/No-IPL-ever-says-Pak-board/H1-Article1-501106.aspx)
Pakistan will not allow any of its players to take part in future editions of the Indian Premier League (IPL).
Speaking to Hindustan Times on Saturday, Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chief Ijaz Butt said: “We are never going to allow our players to participate in IPL again. What they (IPL) did is not only embarrassing, it is also an insult to us.”
This is the first time since the January 19 IPL players’ auction that the PCB chief has reacted with specific accusations. Butt called the snub a “conspiracy” against Pakistani cricketers and said the “entire incident was pre-planned”.
“It cannot always be a unilateral decision by Mr Lalit Modi that he cannot be questioned for any of his decisions or actions. That’s not on,” said Butt. “After the auction, I tried to call him on several occasions and there’s some courtesy in returning a call. But no, he completely avoided talking to me.”
IPL commissioner Lalit Modi refused to comment on the PCB’s plans to boycott the IPL but told HT: “We don’t call any board to inform them if their players have been taken or not. And I have not got any message or calls from him (Ijaz Butt).”
Butt questioned the need to invite Pakistan in the first place if the IPL didn’t want them in the third edition of the event, and rubbished the availability issue cited by some franchisee owners.
“First, we were asked to get permission from the government for our players to play in IPL. Then, they wanted permission from the foreign office of Pakistan, and we got that in writing. After that, they wanted a no-objection letter from the interior ministry, which we got them too,” an angry Butt said.
He added: “They (IPL) then asked us to clear visa-related issues, to which I said the Indian government should be granting visas. But we still contacted Indian sports minister Mr (M.S.) Gill and he arranged visas for all our players. After all this, what makes our friends Mr Lalit Modi & Company question the availability of our players? Isn’t that ridiculous and insulting?”
Butt said the plan to cold-shoulder Pakistani cricketers was deliberate,** in order to prevent them playing with and against international players in the IPL, which could be a preparation for the World Twenty20 in the Caribbean later this summer. **He also rejected the security concerns cited by Rajasthan Royals co-owner
Shilpa Shetty, who had said on Friday that the teams couldn’t take the onus of providing security to Pakistani cricketers. “If it’s unsafe for our players to play in India, then why call India a safe country,” asked thePCB chief.
“And if that is the case, they shouldn’t hold the tournament at all. How can they hold a tournament if they aren’t sure about security? Pakistan is going to participate in the hockey World Cup in India next month and there’s no security issue, then why give such lame excuses where our cricketers are concerned?” Butt asked.
Butt, who met Pakistan sports minister Mir Aijaz Hussain Jakhrani on Friday, said the PCB would raise this issue at the February 10 meeting of the International Cricket Council.
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I wonder what benefit can be derived from the ICC if the PCB has decided that the Pakistani Cricket Team will never allowed to participate in the IPL.
It is good for them. So, they do not have to perticipate in ‘auctions’ to be humiliated.