Inzi an ODI batsman?

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here is a qs which is in my mind for about over 3 years now…which is Inzi’s ability to play ODI in outside Subcontinent. After WC 92 pakistan had following tours of Aus and NZ 92’93(Both Aus and NZ), 94(NZ), 95(NZ) 97(AUS),99(AUS) 2001(NZ) 2002(AUS)and Now 2004(NZ)…in the above mentioned serieses never did we see Inzi in the form that we are acoustomed of seeing from him at Sharjah or anywhere else in Subcontinent.

I am really wodering if he is a batsman for ODI cricket under unfamiliar conditions. He has not done too bad under these conditions in test matches. on the 93 tour he scored 70 odd very important runs in the only test match. 94 tour we played reasonably well and scored a 100 in second test, tour of 95-95 to both Aus and NZ he scored 50’s in test matches. Not too bad. in 99 had a very good test series in Aus. 2000 scored a hundred in one of the tests in NZ…i mean a pretty reasonable test player in Test matches. …BUT as soon as the format of game changes Inzi…honestly turns into a slightly better player than Agarkar. And this isn’t in Australia, NZ only he has toured SA in 93, 94-95, 98(where he scored one of few 100’s outside Pak).2002, and WC 2003..we all know what he did.(i am only talking about ODI’s)

At KK i am told that i get too critic on players…but you tell me if going by the record does Inzi look like a ODI player Outside subcontinent.?

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Nikema....
very good post indeed.I was thinking of some discussion on this issue but was fearign backlash from some hardcore terrorists here.
:D

Definitly there is sharp contrast in Inzi's ODI records in Asia as compare to in Africa or Oceana or Europe. And the difference is glaring...

Let me put some stats to make it more clear.Here is Inzi's career record in these 4 continants.



                     Mat    I  NO  Runs HS1  HS2  HS3     Ave 100  50   0
in Africa             44   39   4  1063 116* 116*  63   30.37   2   6   6
in Asia              154  141  29  5591 137* 121* 118*  49.91   6  41   2
in Europe             22   20   2   517  81   79   75   28.72   0   4   3
in Oceania            59   59   2  1218  88   80   64   21.36   0   6   6

One can clearly see the difference in stats.** Infect his record in Asia is even better than Sachin Tendulkar(Avg:48). **

Now lets see how was it in last few seasons...
** 2003-04**



                     Mat    I  NO  Runs HS1  HS2  HS3     Ave 100  50   0
in Asia                7   161  49   40.25   0   0   -   -       -    -   2  0
in Oceania             4    33  19    8.25   0   0   -   -       -    -   0  0

** 2003**



                     Mat    I  NO  Runs HS1  HS2  HS3     Ave 100  50   0
in Asia                5    5   3   238  64*  59*  56* 119.00   0   3   0

** 2002-03**



                     Mat    I  NO  Runs HS1  HS2  HS3     Ave 100  50   0
in Africa             16   13   1   245  63   55   36*  20.41   0   2   3

** 2002**



                     Mat    I  NO  Runs HS1  HS2  HS3     Ave 100  50   0
in Africa              6    6   1   148  63   41   25   29.60   0   1   1
in Asia                3    3   0    79  35   26   18   26.33   0   0   0
in Oceania             3    3   0    70  33   24   13   23.33   0   0   0

** 2001-02**



                     Mat    I  NO  Runs HS1  HS2  HS3     Ave 100  50   0
in Asia               14   13   2   387 118*  68   37   35.18   1   1   0

** 2001**



                     Mat    I  NO  Runs HS1  HS2  HS3     Ave 100  50   0
in Europe              5    4   0   102  79   23    0   25.50   0   1   2

** 2000-01**



                     Mat    I  NO  Runs HS1  HS2  HS3     Ave 100  50   0
in Asia                8    8   3   311  83*  75*  72*  62.20   0   3   1

1999-2000



                     Mat    I  NO  Runs HS1  HS2  HS3     Ave 100  50   0
in Asia               10   10   1   500 121*  71   61   55.55   1   4   0
in Oceania             9    9   0    97  35   15   12   10.77   0   0   1

1999



                     Mat    I  NO  Runs HS1  HS2  HS3     Ave 100  50   0
in Europe             10    9   1   254  81   73*  41   31.75   0   2   1

1998-99



                     Mat    I  NO  Runs HS1  HS2  HS3     Ave 100  50   0
in Asia               14   14   2   569 107   91   70   47.41   1   4   0

1997-98



                     Mat    I  NO  Runs HS1  HS2  HS3     Ave 100  50   0
in Africa              7    7   1   234 116*  52   33   39.00   1   1   1
in Asia               13    9   2   404  85   77   74*  57.71   0   3   0

I know Some people will say that Stats doesnt speak truth.But it definitly puts some light on truth. Clearly he struggles outside Asia specifically in Europe,Oceana and Africa. He reminds me of our own Azhar.

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This thread forced me to look at his *test records. *
Suprisingly His test record doesnt show that much variation.There is little variation which you always find in any cricketers stats.



                     Mat    I  NO  Runs HS1  HS2  HS3     Ave 100  50   0
in Africa             12   21   0   835 112  101   95   39.76   2   5   1
in Asia               49   77  12  3553 329  200* 177   54.66   9  18   7
in Europe              9   15   1   618 148  114   85   44.14   2   3   1
in Oceania            15   27   3  1207 135* 130  118   50.29   3   7   1

Can Anyone explain this variation in ODI and TEST?

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[QUOTE]
Originally posted by fair_&_balance: *
This thread forced me to look at his **test records. *
Suprisingly His test record doesnt show that much variation.There is little variation which you always find in any crickers stats.
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Can Anyone explain this variation in ODI and TEST?
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Inzi is known for taking his time to settle and then play some knocks. Tests allow enough time for you to settle, while ODI demands that you should start beating leather as soon as you arrive on crease.

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[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by Changez_like: *

Inzi is known for taking his time to settle and then play some knocks. Tests allow enough time for you to settle, while ODI demands that you should start beating leather as soon as you arrive on crease.
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I agree.So this brings us back to point Nikema raised. Does that mean he is not a good ODI player when game is played outside subcontinant?

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Shocking stats to say the least. I knew Inzi doesn’t play well outside Asia but I never imagined the difference to be this much :eek:

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Yes..Even I was shocked.

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[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by fair_&_balance: *
I agree.So this brings us back to point Nikema raised. Does that mean he is not a good ODI player when game is played outside subcontinant?
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I don't know how many of our batsmen can play well outside subcontinent.

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This is comparing Inzamam vs Youhanna. Do we have a player better than Inzi in ODI squad? Is there a better player, available currently compared with these 2?



Vs Aus, in Aus
Youhanna 9   206  61*  25.75   0   1   
Inzamam 17   400  64   26.66   0   2   

vs Aus in Pak
Youhanna 3   192 100   64.00   1   1   
Inzamam 3   160  91*  80.00   0   2 




vs SA in SA
Youhanna 7   183  61   26.14   0   1   
Inzamam 13   375  63   34.09   0   3  

vs SA in Pak
Youhanna 5   211  68   42.20   0   3
Inzamam 8   275  85   45.83   0   2




vs WI in WI
Youhanna 5    68  56   13.60   0   1   
Inzamam 10   450  90*  64.28   0   6 





vs NZ in NZ
Yuohanna 9   293  88*  41.85   0   2  
Inzamam 22   486  88   22.09   0   4  

vs NZ in Pak
Youhanna 8   298 125   49.66   1   2
Inzamam 11   215  49   23.88   0   0





vs SL in SL
Youhanna 5    53  39   10.60   0   0   
Inzamam  9   315  83*  45.00   0   2

vs SL in Pak
Youhanna 3    81  68   27.00   0   1 
Inzamam 9   373 117   53.28   2   1
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Saied Anwar and Amir Sohail were fearless batsmen. They performed in any condition and anywhere in the world.

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With above stats, can we say Youhanna is flat-pitch player too?

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[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by Changez_like: *
With above stats, can we say Youhanna is flat-pitch player too?
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YEP.But somehow he cherishes NZL bowling.is there any batsman inpakistani team which has aay record as good as Sachin or Dravid?

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^^ u guyz deserve kudos. some heads up stats, those. they really r surprising. but u know wat guyz, the biggest reason for failure of both inzi n yoyo is there lack of professionalism. both r very laid back n not as much of hard workers. the only time inzi really really worked hard i think was when he lost all those pounds, n that was probably a compulsion as well coz according to wat i heard it was the doctors who advised him to lose weight coz it was 2 much weight on his knees, which caused him knee problems in recent years.

anywayz, to go to another topic, r team is badly out of shape. batting line up is messed up as alwayz, bowling looks fragile, n r fielding was never gd. as much as i hate to say it, our rebuilding has gone bad. we need some help, bigtime.

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Lets not go that far. the rebuilding has been ok so far. Just the team chemistry has not been there and some stupid decisions have been made by the team managment.

Elahi deserves no place in the ODI squad with people like Asim Kamal and Younis Khan sitting in the dressing room. We need 3 specialist bowlers. 3 lame all-rounders are not gonna do the job. I would say kick out Azhar and bring in Shabbir. Shoaib Malik has been really disapointing with the bat in the series, but he has proven himself before so I would stick with him. Yasir Hameed should come in at #3. Maybe we could get Asim Kamal to open, since he is a solid defensive player and Farhat likes to attack.

The talent is definetly there, but the team managment does not know how to use it and when you have a captain like Inzamam, things keep getting worse instead of getting better.

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[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by yaasir: *
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Lets not go that far. the rebuilding has been ok so far. Just the team chemistry has not been there and some stupid decisions have been made by the team managment.

Elahi deserves no place in the ODI squad with people like Asim Kamal and Younis Khan sitting in the dressing room. We need 3 specialist bowlers. 3 lame all-rounders are not gonna do the job. I would say kick out Azhar and bring in Shabbir. Shoaib Malik has been really disapointing with the bat in the series, but he has proven himself before so I would stick with him. Yasir Hameed should come in at #3. Maybe we could get Asim Kamal to open, since he is a solid defensive player and Farhat likes to attack.

The talent is definetly there, but the team managment does not know how to use it and when you have a captain like Inzamam, things keep getting worse instead of getting better.
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n wat would u say abt the way yasir n hameed have gone out in this trip, n sami's inconsistency, n malik's no show. management is bad, but there iant enuf talent man. at least thats wat it seems.

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Yasir is still young and learning. He has shown us what he is capable of. He played well for his 44 in the 2nd ODI. The guy definetly has a lot of talent, no one can deny that. This was his first series out of Pakistan so give the guy a break and let him settle down. Malik, indeed was extremely disapointing with the bat, although he bowled pretty good. Sami, well once again, he is definetly talened and can be lethal. But he is making the same mistake that Shoiab did earlier in his career. That mistake is the belief that speed will get them wickets.

Sami should have looked at how NZ bowled in the 4th ODI. They kept their line and length right, and the Pakistan batsmen fell like a deck of cards. But instead, Sami tried to go for pace. Had he or other medium pacers like Razzaq and Azhar concentrated on line and length like the NZ bowlers, the results could have been much better.

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Its good that more ppl are saying what I have been saying for weeks. Yasir is a No. 3 batsman and pushing him on the openings has effected his batting as we see in this particular series. If we kick out Inzi from the ODI team, we still have Moin coming in at No. 7 for the cover up, and he does a good job in pressure as well. So I guess, Farhat and Taufeeq would be a good and natural pair to open the innings. Then comes Yasir, Yoyo, (Asim/Younis), Malik, Moin, Akhtar, Sami,Shabbir, Kaneria/Saqlain/Gul/Razzaq. I think this combination will do. Malik and Moin have to click and that will make whole lot of difference.

Beside the fact that Pakistani players have better record in sub-continent than oveseas, why can't we have fast wickets at home. Why can't we make two parallel pitches for practice or for even domestic matches in Gadhaffi Stadium. One usual dead pitch and other just like any Aussi/SA/English style fast and bouncy. That will allow our players to accustom themselves on all kinds of conditions. After all they were brought up playing on cement pitches, they will have no problem.

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The stats are surprising and I agree wit CL that Inzi needs time to settle on the wicket before he can play his shots and thats why he is probably more sucessful at test level than ODI's. Should Paksitan follow the Aus example where they dropped Steve Waugh from the ODI scenario and only kept him for the tests.

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[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by ehsan: *
...Should Paksitan follow the Aus example where they dropped Steve Waugh from the ODI scenario and only kept him for the tests.
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You spoke my mind :)

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[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by Changez_like: *
You spoke my mind :)
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Mine too.But then next series is home series..He will make lots of run and then again fail on abroad trip.