I know this topic has been beaten to death. But since Pak.org represents such diversity in opinions I would like to ask a question and would really appreciate it if the answers were to the direct question and not to replies.
It is claimed by some people that calling upon people to invoke Allah is acceptable means of communicating with Allah.
The reason, I understand, is that since these people are shaheeds and aren’t dead. So it is similar to asking a beloved person of a “king” to invoke something.
I hope I am wording it correctly. I tend to agree that shaheeds aren’t really dead and Allah sustains them.
I would like to end by saying that in this matter I have always referred to the quran and when hazrat younus was in darkness and despair (darkness of the night, depths of the sea, and darkness of the whale’s stomach) he said La Ilaha illa anta, Subhaanaka, inni kuntu mina- zalameen .. oh Allah, there is no god but you, praise be upon you, I was indeed wrong.
Now from what I understand hazrat younus ( PBUH) had prophets for his ancestors and if in his time of need, and great despair he never asked any1 to convey his message to allah but asked allah directly, why should we.
I might be looking at the whole thing out of context so please explain.
Na Hota mein, Tu Kya Hota
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Shaheeds are not dead, that is in quran. They are alive, but they are NOT living the life that we are. They are alive in the sight of Allah, in heavens. They cannot hear you. There is no sign of such practice in QURAN or SUNNAH of having a "mediator" between you and Allah. We should call onto Allah directly and speak to him directly.
There are other ways prescribed in Sunnah, like saying "darood-sharif" before you make a dua..etc. Good luck.
*V~V~V*He came, He saw, He conquered*V~V~V*
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*There is no sign of such practice in QURAN or SUNNAH of having a "mediator" between you and Allah. We should call onto Allah directly and speak to him directly.
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I was in the darbaar of a sufi when I heard an attendant beseeched the sufi that some of his problems be fixed. The sufi, immediately, told the guy to pray to Allah (sbwt) since he, the sufi, could only pass the paygham of Allah (sbwt). But Allah has said that he listens more to those who are near and dear to Him. So, Allah (sbwt) is asked for his mercies "for the sake of his loved one" (the name of the loved one is used here). There are no mediators. Even the Prophet (sws) told Hazrat Ayesha not to assume that she (ra) will go to heaven on the assumption that she (ra) was the Prophets (sws) daughter.
Exactly. This peer and sufi thing in Pakistan is not a religious thing, its bussiness. People praise the 3rd class saints, who know nothing but nothing. Ignorence is big problem facing us, its major cause of discrepancy and dishonesty and disunity among the Muslims.
First, we should encourage our selves to learn Arabic, so, we can understand quran better, without the help of anyone else. [local peers and sufis do not want that] 2nd, we should read quran and other knowledgable books on Islam written by respected scholars and so forth…we should face the facts of quran and not defend the practices of our ancestors. We should look for truth in the light of Quran and sunnah and when we get the truth, we should practice it. May Allah help us be better Muslims and help us understand Islam better. Ameen.
Relationship with your God is your personnal relationship and does not require an intermediary. You should talk to God on a daily basis as if you are confronted by Him. You can do that in the privacy of your home or you can go out where ever you want to or you can just focus on your heart beat because after all that's where your God is.I did not use word Allah because allah is arabic for God and when we impose that word, many people consider it something different which is not true.
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** The preferred language of Allah (sbwt). A variation of the work Allah was also used to describe the God of Moses "Illahi....or Illehi".
Another word for Allah is in your hands; in everyone's hands. Look at it. **
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Arabic preferred language of God ? Complete nonsense. Quran came in arabic because the person through whome the message was to go out, was arabic speaking and so were the people to whom this message was supposed to go.
Amy how many times have you read the quran, and if so can u understand it in arabic without the translation?
Now answer the question truthfully and think about how many English-western books have you read and how many times, if even once have you tried to read something in arabic.
I am not generalizing but most of the people who have a problem with Islam/Arabic have not tried to gain first hand knowledge but have a view of islam and arabs that the west tries to portray ...
Na Hota mein, Tu Kya Hota
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amy says: "Arabic preferred language of God ? Complete nonsense.
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Arabic is called “ummul-lisan” mother of all languages. Meaning all the languages are derived from the base root arabic. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad – the reformer of the time has laid some rules in one of his book, following those rules one can trace any language to and from Arabic. The language shows the fullest development of typical Semitic word structure. Besides in terms of the numerical value, the language is also found to be most stable and perfect.
Lastly, it is Allah’s chosen language in which He revealed His final message.
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