Invisible Afghanistan

(also got this from my emailgroup)

Posted: 20 Zul-Hijjah 1421, 16 March 2001
The Qur’an says, “O you who believe! If a rebellious evil person comes to you
with a news, verify it, lest you harm people in ignorance, and afterwards you
become regretful to what you have done.” [Al-Hujurat 49:6]

[Sayyid Rahmatullah Hashemi is the roving Ambassador from Afghanistan who
recently visited the US. The following is the edited version of the
transcription of a lecture given by him at the University Of Southern
California in Los Angeles, on March 10, 2001]

I was just coming from a meeting with a group of scholars, and the first thing
we started talking about there was the statues. And the first thing we started
talking about here was also the statues. It is very unfortunate how little we
see and how little we know. Nobody has seen the problems of Afghanistan; nobody
saw their problems before. And the only thing that represents Afghanistan today
are the statues.

Afghanistan is called the Crossroads of Asia. So, we are suffering because of
our geo-strategic location. We have suffered in the 18th century, 19th century,
and we are still suffering in this century. We have not attacked the British.
We have not attacked the Russians. It was them who attacked us. So the problems
in Afghanistan you see are not our creation.

The Soviet Invasion

The recent problems in Afghanistan started in 1979. Afghanistan was a peaceful
country. The Russians, along with their 140,000 troops attacked Afghanistan in
the December of 1979, just 21 years ago, stayed there for a decade, killed one
and a half million people, maimed one million more people, and six million out
of the eighteen million people migrated because of the Russian brutalities.
Even today, our children are dying because of the landmines that they planted
for us. And nobody knows about this.

After the Russians left during the Russian occupation, on the other side, the
American government, the British government, the French, the Chinese, and all
of the rest, supported the counter-revolutionaries called the Mujahideen; There
were seven parties only in Pakistan and eight parties in Iran who fought the
Russian occupation. And after the Russians left, these parties went into
Afghanistan. All of them had different ideologies, and a lot of weapons. And
instead of having a single administration, they fought in Afghanistan. The
destruction that they brought was worse than the destruction the Russians
brought. 63,000 people were only killed in the capitol, Kabul. Another million
people migrated because of this lawlessness.

The Beginning of Taliban

Seeing this destruction and lawlessness, a group of students called the
Taliban, i.e. a group of students (Taliban is the plural of student in our
language; it may be two students in Arabic, but in our language it means
students) started a movement called the Movement of Students. It first started
in a village in the southern province of Afghanistan, called Kandahar. It
happened when a war-lord, or a commander abducted two minor girls and violated
them. The parents of those girls went to a school and asked the teacher of the
school to help them. The teacher of that school, along with his 53 students,
finding only 16 guns, went and attacked the base of that commander. After
releasing those two girls, they hanged that commander, and so many of his
people were also hanged. This story was told everywhere. BBC also quoted this
story. Hearing this story, many other students joined this movement and started
disarming the rest of the warlords. This same students movement now controls
95% of the country including its capital. Only a bunch of those warlords are
remaining in the northern corridor of Afghanistan.

Our Achievements

We have been in government for only five years, and the following things that
we have done, and many of you may not know:

1.) The first thing we have done is reunifying the fragmented country.
Afghanistan was formerly fragmented into five parts. We unified it when nobody
else could do it.

2.) Second thing we have done, which everybody failed to do, was disarming the
population. After the war every Afghan got a Kalashnikov, and even
sophisticated weapons such as stinger missiles, and they even got fighter
planes and fighter helicopters. Disarming these people seemed to be impossible.
The United Nations in 1992 made an appeal asking for 3 billion dollars to
re-purchase those arms. And because of its impracticality, that plan never
materialized, and everybody forgot about Afghanistan. So the second thing we
have done is to disarm 95% of that country.

3.) The third thing that we have done is to establish a single administration
in Afghanistan, which did not exist for 10 years.

4.) The fourth achievement that we have that is surprising to everybody is that
we have eradicated 75% of world’s opium cultivation. Afghanistan produced 75%
of worlds opium. And last year we issued an edict asking the people to stop
growing opium, and this year, the United Nations Drug Control Program, UNDCP,
and their head, Mr. Barnard F. proudly announced that there was 0% of opium
cultivation. Zero, zilch, none at all.

Incidentally this was not good news for UN itself because many of them lost
their jobs. In the UNDCP, 700 so called experts were working there and they got
their salaries and they never went into Afghanistan. So when we issued this
edict, I know that they were not happy. And this year they lost their jobs.

5.) The fifth achievement that we have, is the restoration of Human rights.
Now, you may think that we are involved in violation of Human Rights. The
reality is exactly the opposite. Among the fundamental rights of a human being
is the right to live. Before us, nobody could live peacefully in Afghanistan.

The first thing we have done, is to give to the people a secure and peaceful
life. The second major thing that we have restored is to give them free and
fair justice; you don’t have to buy justice, unlike here. In Afghanistan
justice is free and readily available.

Women’s Rights

We have been criticized for violating women’s rights. Do you know what happened
before us? I can see some Afghans living here, and they will agree with me,
that in the rural areas of Afghanistan, women were used as animals. They were
sold actually. We stopped this abominable practice.

They didn’t use to have any say in the selection of their husbands. First thing
we have done is to let them choose their future.

Another thing that used to happen in Afghanistan was women were exchanged as
gifts. Of course, this was not something religious; this was something
cultural. When two fighting tribes wanted reconciliation, they would exchange
women. And this has been stopped.

Unlike what is generally said women do work in Afghanistan. True that until
1996 when we captured the capital Kabul, we did ask women to stay home. It
didn’t mean that we wanted them to stay at home forever. We said that there is
no law, and there is no order, and you have to stay at home.

We disarmed the people, and we established law and order, and now women are
working. True, that women are not working in the ministry of defense, like
here. We don’t want our women to be fighter pilots, or to be used as objects of
decoration for advertisements. But they do work. They work in the Ministry of
Health, Interior, Ministry of Education, Ministry of Social Affairs, and so on.

Similarly we don’t have any problem with women’s education. We have said that
we want education, and we will have education whether or not we are under
anybody’s pressure, because that is part of our belief. We are ordered to do
that. When we say that there should be segregated schools, it does not mean
that we don’t want our women to be educated. It is true that we are against
co-education; but it is not true that we are against women’s education.

We do have schools even now, but the problem is the resources. We cannot expand
these programs. Before, our government numerous curriculums were going on.
There were curriculums that preached for the kings, curriculums that preached
for the communists, and curriculums from all the seven parties. So, the
students were confused as to what to study. We have started to unify the
curriculum and that is going on.

Recently we reopened the faculty of medical science in all major cities of
Afghanistan and in Kandahar. There are more girls students studying in the
faculty of medical sciences than boys are. But they are segregated. And the
Swedish committees have also established schools for girls. I know they are not
enough, but that is what we have been able to do.

Osama bin Laden

We are also accused of sponsoring terrorism. And for Americans terrorism or
terrorist means only bin Laden. Now you will not know that Afghanistan, or bin
Laden was in Afghanistan for 17 years before we even existed. Bin Laden was in
Afghanistan, fought the Soviet Union, and Mr. Ronald Reagan, the president of
America at that time, and Mr. Dick Chaney called such people freedom fighters
or the Heroes of Independence, because they were fighting for their cause. And
now when the Soviet Union is fragmented, such people were not needed anymore,
and they were transformed into terrorists. From heroes to terrorists. This is
exactly like Mr. Yasser Arafat who was transformed from a terrorist to a hero.

What is the difference between those acts that bin Laden is blamed for and the
1998 cruise missile attacks on Afghanistan. Neither of the two were declared
and both of them killed civilians. If it means killing civilians blindly, both
of them killed civilians blindly.

The United States government tried to kill a man without even giving him a fair
trial. In 1998, they just sent cruise missiles into Afghanistan and they
announced that they were trying to kill Osama bin Laden. We didn't know Osama
bin Laden then. I didn't know him; he was just a simple man. So we were all
shocked. I was one of those men who was sitting at home at night, I was called
for an immediate council meeting and we all were told the United States had
attacked Afghanistan. With 75 cruise missiles they tried to kill one man. And
they missed that man; killed 19 other students and never apologized for those
killings.

What would you do if you were in our situation. If we were to go and send 75
cruise missiles into the United States and say that we were going to kill a man
that we thought was responsible for our embassy, and we missed that man, and we
killed 19 other Americans what would the United States do? An instant
declaration of war. But we are polite. We did not declare war.

Our Proposals

Rather we have been very open-minded on this issue. We have said, that if
really this man is involved in the Kenya/Tanzania acts, if anybody can give us
proof or evidence about his involvement in these horrific acts, we will punish
him. Nobody gave us evidence. We put him on trial for 45 days and nobody gave
us any kind of evidence. The United States told us they did not believe in our
judicial system. We were surprised as to what kind of judicial system they
have? They just tried to kill a man without even giving him a fair trial. Even
if one of us is a criminal here, the police are not going to blow his house; he
must go to a court first.

So our first proposal was rejected. They said they do not believe in our
judicial system, and we must extradite him to New York. After the rejection of
this first proposal was we said we were ready to accept an international
monitoring group to come into Afghanistan and monitor this man's activities in
Afghanistan. So that he does nothing. Even that he has no telecommunications.
That proposal was also rejected.

The third proposal we gave, six months ago, was that we were ready to try or
accept the trial of Osama bin Laden in a third Islamic country, with the
consent of Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan. That was also rejected.

We are still very open minded. And for the fourth time, I m here, with a letter
from my leadership that I m going to submit to the state department hoping that
they will resolve the problem. But I don't think that they'll. Because we
think, and I personally think now that maybe the United States is looking for a
boogey man always. Remember what Gorbachev said? He said, that he's going to do
the worst thing ever to the United States. And everybody thought that he's
going to blow the United States with nuclear weapons. But he said, I m going to
remove their enemy. And then he fragmented Soviet Union. And he was right.
After he fragmented Soviet Union, a lot of people lost their jobs in the
Pentagon, in the CIA, and the FBI, because they were not needed anymore. So we
think that maybe these guys are looking for a boogey man now. Maybe they want
to justify their annual budget, maybe they want to make their citizens feel
that they are still needed to defend them.

Afghanistan is not a terrorist state; we cannot even make a needle. How are we
going to be a terrorist state? How are we going to be a threat to the world? If
the world terrorism is really derived from the word terror, then there are
countries making weapons of mass destruction, countries making nuclear weapons,
they are terrorist states; we are not.

Sanctions

Now, we are under sanctions. And the sanctions have caused a lot of problems.
Despite that we already had been going through so many problems--- the 23 years
of continuous war, the total destruction of our infrastructure, and the problem
of refugees, and the problem of land mines in our agricultural lands --- all of
a sudden the United Nations, with the provocation of Russia, is imposing
sanctions on Afghanistan. And the sanctions have been approved; we are under
sanctions. Several hundred children died a month ago. Seven hundred children
died because of malnutrition and the severe cold weather. Nobody even talked
about that. Everybody knows about the statues.

Renovating Statues as People Die

When the world is destroying our future with economic sanctions, then they have
no right to worry about our past. I called my headquarters, I asked them, why
are they going to blow the statues, and I talked to the head of the council of
scholars of people, who had actually decided this, he told me that UNESCO and
an NGO from Sweden, or from one of these Scandinavian countries Norway, Sweden,
one of these they had actually come, with a project of rebuilding the face of
these statues, which have worn by rain. The council of people told them to
spend that money in saving the lives of these children, instead of spending it
to restore these statues. And these guys said, "No, this money is only for the
statues." And the people were really pissed off. They said that, If you don t
care about our children, we are going to blow those statues.

If you were in such a situation what would you do? If your children are dying
in front of your eyes, and you are under sanctions, and then the same people
who have imposed sanctions and are coming and building statues here? What would
you do?

Kofi Annan

And there is Kofi Annan. You know Kofi Annan, the Secretary General of United
Nations? He went to Pakistan, and he said he is going to meet our
representative there. This man never bothered to come, to talk about these
children, he never bothered himself to talk about six million refugees, and he
never talked about the poverty of Afghanistan. He only goes to that region
because of these statues.

It is really, really ridiculous. These people do not care about children, about
people who are dying there, about the foreign interference that still exists;
they only care about the statues. And I am sure they don't care about our
heritage. They only care about their picnic site one time. Maybe they'll have a
good picnic site there, seeing those statues.

And I'm sure these sanctions which are imposed on our government will never
change us, because for us, our ideology is everything. To try to change our
ideology with economic sanctions will never work. It may work in the United
States, where the economy is everything, but for us, our ideology is
everything. And we believe that it is better to die for something than to live
for nothing.

"O Mankind, We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female and made
you into nations and tribes, that you may know each other. Verily the most
honored of you in the sight of God is he who is the most righteous of you"
(49:13)

Up to now, my only info was from the media here. I never knew the other side. You just can't believe the news here. I hated the Taliban, I thought they were monster terrorists.
Media is dangerous when used wrong.

:k:

destroying those statues was still retarded.

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*Originally posted by nomaan: *
destroying those statues was still retarded.
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I'd have to agree here.

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*Originally posted by sadya: *
Up to now, my only info was from the media here. I never knew the other side. You just can't believe the news here. I hated the Taliban, I thought they were monster terrorists.
Media is dangerous when used wrong.
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we'll you've jumped from one extreme to the other. i think you should try finding the middle ground.

I'm not saying it was wonderful to have destroyed the statues, they were a part of history. But the reasons behind it are different than the media displays. Teh Taliban are different themselves than the media has been displaying.
I only knew the Taliban from television and newspapers here in the West. They seemed monstrous and capable of no good. Only now recently I've been reading the other side. People who've been there to aid, like doctors who aren't even muslim, are telling completely different stories about Taliban then the media.

I haven't heard on the news how sad it was for the people of Afghanistan, how poor the majority really is, lack of medical care, dying children, even at the time of the statues issue, nobody was talking about that! Human lifes are far more important than statues! Why poor money in saving statues while HUMANS are dying?

What would we have done in their situation, for us outsiders it's wrong, but we only see one side, we are not in their shoes. We don't know what's going on behind the scenes. How desperate they were. They were driven to do that by lack of help by the west, of course you become angry when they won't help your dying women, children, elders but do have money for lifeless statues!
You just can't believe everything the media writes, maybe not in Asia who is famous for controlling media, but the west is no better! I'm just in a shock to discover the other side, for me it's new.
We never heard the good things teh Taliban managed to do with their still limited resources. I'd rather believe inhabitants, the common people, not the powerful rich, but the common people living in AFghanistan than any outsider western media.

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*Originally posted by nomaan: *

we'll you've jumped from one extreme to the other. i think you should try finding the middle ground.
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What exactly is extreme? The late Mother Theresa could be called extreme too, she was extreme in a positive way.

I'm just saying the Taliban are heavily misinterpreted, misunderstood. There is another side to the story. I don't know if they are angels. But I do know that how the western media portrayed them, is completely wrong. There are always two sides to everything. Why show only one side? How fair is that? Maybe the west is being extreme.

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*Originally posted by sadya: *

What exactly is extreme? The late Mother Theresa could be called extreme too, she was extreme in a positive way.

I'm just saying the Taliban are heavily misinterpreted, misunderstood. There is another side to the story. I don't know if they are angels. But I do know that how the western media portrayed them, is completely wrong. There are always two sides to everything. Why show only one side? How fair is that? Maybe the west is being extreme.
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one extreme is the western medias viewpoint. the other is extreme is whatever opnion you have now.

as for the money for statues and no money for dying children issue... there are different organizations in the world and they do different things. those that deal with the cultural historical aspeects can't be blamed for diverting their funds to humanitarian causes. they get their money through fund raisers and donations, etc .. and that cash is given to them thinking that it will go to a specific cause. so if a group wants to restore the statues, you say thanks, and let them, or say no thanl you, some other time. don't try and lay the blame on them cause they are bound to their objective.

the talibans decided to run their country like a power hungry mob. no schooling for women, only lady doctors (even islam allows male doctors if women doctors are not present) for women, forcing their viewpoints on the afghanis...

I am no fan of the U.S.A, but bashing them and then ignoring what muslims are doing at the same time is something that I cant do.

Nobody is bashing USA here. But there is definitely something wrong with the foreign policies of that country here!

"the talibans decided to run their country like a power hungry mob. no schooling for women, only lady doctors (even islam allows male doctors if women doctors are not present) for women, forcing their viewpoints on the afghanis... "

Where did you get these idea's from, from the western media? I thought the same things. I thought they had destroyed the country and I felt sorry especially for those women. Now I've been ready articles, telling that it was long befroe the taliban excisted a part of the culture, and religion, that the women used niqaab, and a lot of them volenteerily.
Also nobody mentions, that during the regime of the Taliban, the number of female attending schools, increased. Yes, we don't agree with all their views, but they were not destroying the country. They managed to unite it, to disarm the common people, to stop the opium production in Afghanistan, etc. You never hear that in the media here. I don't live in the US, but even here you don't get the other side of the story. I wonder why!

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*Originally posted by nomaan: *

one extreme is the western medias viewpoint. the other is extreme is whatever opnion you have now.

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Well, according to you, what opinion do I have now then? And why do you consider that extreme? What exactly is the definition of extrem?