Interview with Pakistani serial killer

[diwana]

Re: Interview with Pakistani serial killer

@bella88

**do you know many homophobes lie about being abused so they can justify murder and gain sympathy? **
whats his evidence that he’s not lying? and once again, you cannot make assumptions on an entire group based on a few people who do wrong things.

do you even realize how much homophobia and hate you spread all over your posts?

No I do not know how many so called homophobes lie about being abused. And you cannot tell me that either.

Do you know how many so called “homophobes” lie about being abused so they can justify murder and gain sympathy?

Which rock do you live under seriously?

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Now talk about the specifics here.

Do you really know this serial killer lied?

I cannot say he lied but that is not for me to prove!!!

It is YOU and YOU only who brought the idea of this person lying then,… the proof of burden in upon you.

In other words,…I never said he did not lie so why should I have to prove anything???

I only questioned you why did you bring this idea of lying to begin with. And you became dumbfounded.

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You have accused of me being homophobic before. I just laugh it off every time.

You know why?

I know your lack of ability to understand which you show all throughout you will never be able to understand,…

…that I never said homosexuals cannot be nice and kind. **

I only refuted homosexuality but not shown any hatred for homosexual people. Always said they need treatment.**

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I am not sure why you are still allowed to post with your over zealous support for homosexuals to the point that you make extreme generalized comments against heterosexual men and yet, supported a rapist homosexual.

**What this serial killer did was wrong and what homosexual rapist did did was absolutely wrong. **

Shame on you to support a rapist ,…and talking about idiotic position of incriminating ALL heterosexual men raping women.

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NOW:

Prove me what I asked.

Show me by any credible source:

1- All women are raped by heterosexual men.

2- Most of homosexuals are nice.

3- Homosexuals cannot rape.

4- How many so called Homophobic people lie about being abuse so they can justify murder and gain sympathy. Please bring the evidence of all you say. I give you open challenge.

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@bella88

are you even serious?
**how many homosexuals would rape a female??? **if they were to rape a female, they wouldn’t be homosexual. use some common sense for once please.

That is not what you said.

Don’t try to be smart with me. I know what you said.

You accused heterosexuals men for ALL of the rapes against females.

You must be the most immature or ignorant person (next to Southie…who keeps liking your posts) who ever walked on this earth to even suggest that women can only be raped by heterosexual men.

As Shak mentioned above, women CAN be raped by other kinds.

Women CAN and HAVE BEEN KNOWN to rape other women.

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**Bella or whoever you are woman or man!
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Wake up and smell the coffee and try not to spread wrong ideas just because you have extremist "homophilic’ views or just want to mess with majority Pakistani site and are trying to have fun with writing ultra-liberal but messed up ideas.

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You are posting on a website which can be accessed by anyone and do not think there are people who will let you spread stupid ideas and ignore you

Now go away and spread your extremist ideas of supporting rapist homosexual somewhere else. Please do in your earliest convenience.

Thank you for entertaining so far.

P.S. I have combined my posts in one.

[bella88]

Re: Interview with Pakistani serial killer

@diwana

Now talk about the specifics here.

Do you really know this serial killer lied?

I cannot say he lied but that is not for me to prove!!!

It is YOU and YOU only who brought the idea of this person lying then,… the proof of burden in upon you.

someone capable of committing murder is not capable of lying? and all i said was he COULD be lying. thats a possibility and whoever thinks its even not a possibility is clearly biased. secondly, even if hes not lying, how does that make it ok for you and others here to generalize homosexuals?

In other words,…I never said he did not lie so why should I have to prove anything???

no one is asking you to prove anything. but instead of condemning murderer, you’re generalizing homosexuals as abusers.

I only questioned you why did you bring this idea of lying to begin with. And you became dumbfounded.

people LIE to get out of death penalty and to gain sympathy. he could very well be lying. i am not saying this with certainty that he is lying but its a possibility that he could be. get that straight before writing long ridiculous repetitive posts.

You have accused of me being homophobic before. I just laugh it off everytime.
You know why?
I know your lack of ability to understand which you show all throughout you will never be able to understand,…

you generalized homosexuals yet you’re not homophobic? okay.

…that I never said homosexuals cannot be nice and kind. **
I Only refuted homosexuality but not shown any hatred for homosexual people.**

please read your own posts in this thread before lying once again.

I am not sure why you are still allowed to post with your over zealous support for homosexuals to the point that you make extreme generalized comments against heterosexual men ans support criminal homosexual.

I generalized heterosexuals only to give you an example of what **you **just did previously. yes i support homosexuals because they are normal human beings. i am not sure why you’re still allowed to post when you have shown so much hatred against a group of people. please show me where i have supported criminal behavior.
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What this serial killer did was wrong and what homosexual rapist did did was absolutely wrong.

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Shame on you to support a rapist ,…and talking about idiotic position of incriminating ALL heterosexuals raping women.

And no shame on you for generalizing all homosexual people as rapists? and where exactly did i support a rapist?? more and more lies and false accusations coming from you once again. you clearly mentioned before that this is a propaganda that they are nice. so when you generalize it’s okay? and I ONLY generalized to give you an EXAMPLE. what part of that do you not understand?

NOW:
Prove me what I asked.
Show me by any credible source:
1- All women are raped by heterosexual men.

please show me evidence how many homosexual men rape women.

2- Most of homosexuals are nice.

show me evidence how most homosexuals are not nice and also the evidence that all heterosexuals are nice.

3- Homosexuals cannot rape.

ofourse they can. and please show me evidence how heterosexuals cannot rape.

4- How many so called Homophobic people lie about being abuse so they can justify murder and gain sympathy. Please bring the evidence of all you say. I give you open challenge.

please give me evidence that no one has ever lied to be saved from death penalty or to gain sympathy.

That is not what you said.
Don’t try to be smart with me. I know what you said.
You accused heterosexuals men for ALL of the rapes against females.

How often do homosexual RAPE a woman? wont that make them a heterosexual?

You must be the most immature or ignorant person (next to Southie…who keeps liking your posts) who ever walked on this earth to even suggest that women can only be raped by heterosexual men.

wow more personal attacks. just shows how frustrated you must be lol. keep going.
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As Shak mentioned above, women CAN be raped by other kinds.

**women can abuse other women or be part of human trafficking but the actual rape is done by men. lets say rarely a woman rapes another woman. even then vast majority of rapes are still done by males. please use your brain if you have it.

Women CAN and HAVE BEEN KNOWN to rape other women.

how many? compared to males, how many rapes are done by females? are you really this ignorant, im shocked.

Bella or whoever you are woman or man!

lol so now you’re going to doubt my gender as well? how is that even relevant to anything? is there a reason why you try to get so personal with me. please just keep your posts regarding the topic, there is no need for you to think this much about me.

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Wake up and smell the coffee and try not to spread wrong ideas just because you have extremist "homophilic’ views or just want to mess with majority Pakistani site and are trying to have fun with writing ultra-liberal but messed up ideas.

there is such a thing as a liberal pakistani. we exist. whether you like it or not.
there is plenty of them on this forum as well.
who are you to decide what should be posted here or what not?
this is not a religious forum, its a general pakistani forum. pakistanis can be liberals, or conservative. you cannot dictate what everyone should post!
if you don’t like a certain thing, you have every right to ignore it. but you cannot control what others say. it’s time you grow up and realize that people will have different views from you.

You are posting on a website which can be accessed by anyone and do not think there are people who will let you spread stupid ideas and ignore you
Now go away and spread your extremist ideas of supporting rapist homosexual somewhere else. Please do in your earliest convenience.

do you own this website? who are you to tell me what i can and cannot post here. please take your frustrations elsewhere. and once agian, you’re lying. i never support such crimes, please show me where i support rapists.
you are falsely accusing me, yet you think i should be the one who shouldn’t be allowed to post?
ulta chor kotwal ko daantay

I think maybe you should take your extremist ideas elsewhere.

P.S next time, please try to be concise. no one has time to read such lengthy hatefilled posts.

[Southie]

Re: Interview with Pakistani serial killer

To a homophobe , fairness towards homosexuals is the same as OVERZEALOUS support for them.

Nice post bella. Can only like it once. Bummer. Love reading your posts. Great upbringing.

[diwana]

Re: Interview with Pakistani serial killer

@bella88

someone capable of comitting murder is not capable of lying? and all i said was he COULD be lying. thats a possiblity and whoever thinks its not a possibility is clearly biased. secondly, even if hes not lying, how does that make it ok for you and others here to generalize homosexuals?

Someone being homosexual can be rapist too. But you brought lying factor. What does that make you? An extremist homosexual lover nothing less nothing more.
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no one is asking you to prove anything. but instead of condemning murderer, you’re generalizing homosexuals as abusers.
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I never supported the murderer so why should I even be asked this question?

people LIE to get out of death penalty and to gain sympathy. he could very well be lying. i am not saying this with certainty that he is lying but its a possibility that he could be. get that straight before writing long ridiculous repetitive posts.

**That should not make you support a rapist homosexual by suggesting he lied about being raped by a homosexual.

Condemn both just like I did n above post. I said both were wrong but you keep supporting a criminal homosexual.
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you generalized homosexuals yet you’re not homophobic? okay.
please read your own posts in this thread before lying once again.

**Never ever in my any post generalized homosexuals not being nice and kind people. Read all my posts. I refuted homosexuality that’s all. I still say homosexuality is not different from bestiality and pedophilia. And can prove it.
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I generalized heterosexuals only to give you an example of what you just did previously. yes i support homosexuals because they are normal human beings. i am not sure why you’re still allowed to post when you have shown so much hatred against a group of people. please show me where i have supported criminal behavior.

So I was right about you generalizing about homosexuals. Great.

I never shown hatred against homosexuals. All I said was homosexuality is wrong on all accounts and homosexuals deserve pity for being homosexuals and suffering from this mental disease.

Homosexuality is wrong, homosexuals are misguided people.

And no shame on you for generalizing all homosexual people as rapists? you clearly mentioned before that this is a propaganda that they are nice. so when you generalize it’s okay? and I ONLY generalized to give you an EXAMPLE. what part of that do you not understand?

**Keep copying me. I am flattered enough to play with your mid so far, no need to add to it.

I never said homosexuals are rapists. Your quality is to lie and make up idiotic ideas in your head and is very obvious from what non sense you write.

Yes it is a propaganda that most or all homosexuals are nice.

No one can claim any group of people is nice and kind.** **You said most homosexuals are nice and that is a joke.
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please show me evidence how many homosexual men rape women

**I never claimed that ALL homosexual men rape women, so why do I have to answer your stupid question? Seriously?

You need to still prove 100% heterosexual men rape women. Remember what you said?
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show me evidence how most homosexuals are not nice and also the evidence that all heterosexuals are nice.
ofourse they can. and please show me evidence how heterosexuals cannot rape.

Never claimed either of those. Stop hallucinating.

please give me evidence that no one has ever lied to be saved from death penalty or to gain sympathy.

That still does not rove this serial killer was not raped by a homosexual. Try again.

How often do homosexual RAPE a woman? wont that make them a heterosexual?

**No. Women can rape other women too. Grow up. I alread answered that above.
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wow more personal attacks. just shows how frustrated you must be lol. keep going.
women can abuse other women or be part of human trafficking but the actual rape is done by men. lets say rarely a woman rapes another woman. even then vast majority of rapes are still done by males. please use your brain if you have it.
how many? compared to males, how many rapes are done by females? are you really this ignorant, im shocked.

**You said 100%. Why bring rare occasions now?

Do you even know what 100% is or you have never ever been able to learn math?**
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Yes, women can rape women and men too. I have said that with evidence all over the world. You are the one who denied and said only heterosexual men can rape women.

Goes back to the notion where I said you do not even know wht rape means.**

there is such a thing as a liberal pakistani. we exist. whether you like it or not.
there is plenty of them on this forum as well.
who are you to decide what should be posted here or what not?
this is not a religious forum, its a general pakistani forum. pakistanis can be liberals, or conservative. you cannot dictate what everyone should post!

**There are liberal Pakistanis and there are idiot ultra liberal people from all background. If you must talk about statistics of Pakistanis, then ultra liberals are in minority similar to people in his world. Thank God.
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**No one should ever support a rapist homosexual,… not even an ultra liberal person.

But you did. Again shame on you.**

do you own this website? who are you to tell me what i can and cannot post here. please take your frustrations elsewhere.
I think maybe you should take your extremist ideas elsewhere.

**Never said I own the website. I said you are posting on an open website your ridiculous ideas and do not think you will not be called out for that.

But I still think people like you who support a criminal act regardless it is committed by a heterosexual or homosexual should be reprimanded.

Yes indeed you supported a criminal by saying this serial killer was somehow lying. You did try to change the wordings when criticized.

Even if this person was lying, you cannot prove that.

And since I never said this man was not lying, then I have no reason to prove anything**.

Blue text are my responses.

[bella88]

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@diwana

Blue text are my responses.

Again, more lies and false accusations. come up with something new now diwana, this technique is getting old where you start accusing others of false things..

BTW, I cant even quote you with this format that you posted with.. a very clever trick indeed.
how am i suppose to respond when you use such format? lol. i guess this is what you do when you cannot come up with more personal attacks and lies. good job!

[pwner]

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hey bella, can you refer to me some news/article/reasearch on the number of homosexual people killed in pakistan but let go and did not face a trial?

Like, people let them go bcoz they killed a homosexual? (please don’t mention those examples where the person was let go because of his power/influence). I am interested to find out the cases where such murderers were let go because of people/system approving their homophobic views.

Thanks.

[bella88]

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@pwner

hey bella, can you refer to me some news/article/reasearch on the number of homosexual people killed in pakistan but let go and did not face a trial?

Like, people let them go bcoz they killed a homosexual? (please don’t mention those examples where the person was let go because of his power/influence). I am interested to find out the cases where such murderers were let go because of people/system approving their homophobic views.

Thanks.

just be specific in what your point is? did i mention anywhere that more gays are killed in pakistan than anywhere or that in pakistan no one is imprisoned for such murders??
All i said was this murder needs to be condemned and it’s a HATE CRIME. look up what hate crime means first instead of trying to justify his actions.

[pwner]

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You said this.

@bella88

for the most part, homosexuals are assaulted and killed because they are demonized and considered abomination, not because someone suffered from them. this guy could very well by lying but even if he’s not, of course its not justified. when someone is demonized, people justify their murder easily.

@bella88

this is what happens when you demonize homosexuals. sick homophobes think its okay to kill them as they are cleaning the society. such a nazi mentality.

I said this.

@pwner

I didn’t say what he did was right. Not at all. Just pointing out the reason. Anyone could flip, whehter society demonized them or not.

I am saying, the murder could very well be due to him being molested.You are implying that homosexuals are killed because society approves their murders.

So, I am asking you how did you come to the conclusion that homosexual murder is condoned by society. There is animosity,no doubt, justifying murder? Aren’t you getting a bit ahead of yourself?

Lots of serial killers in west go after prostitutes, would use the same logic in that case too? That the western society abhors adultery/prostitution, and thats why those serial killers choose to target prostitutes?

PS: Stop lying, you keep harping on and on about how i am trying to justify the murder; you sound like a molvi. Read the red highlighted part of my post. What I am disagreeing with you on, is the ‘reason for the crime’.

[pwner]

Re: Interview with Pakistani serial killer

Now yourself and Southie can start

[bella88]

Re: Interview with Pakistani serial killer

@pwner

I am saying, the murder could very well be due to him being molested.You are implying that homosexuals are killed because society approves their murders.

so many women are molested by males as well, how often do you hear women killing RANDOM men because 1 man did something to them? it’s one thing to take your revenge ON the guy who abused you, but to take your hatred on other innocent people is called a “hate” crime. this guy is motivated by HATE. even in liberal countries, such shameful hate crimes have occurred. I never said it only happens in pakistan.

So, I am asking you how did you come to the conclusion that homosexual murder is condoned by society. There is animosity,no doubt, justifying murder? Aren’t you getting a bit ahead of yourself?

when a group of people are demonized, don’t some people try to justify their murder? it still seems that you’re still trying to justify his actions because he was a victim in the past..

Lots of serial killers in west go after prostitutes, would use the same logic in that case too? That the western society abhors adultery/prostitution, and thats why those serial killers choose to target prostitutes?

prostitutes are mainly attacked because people can get away with their murders more easily as they are rarely reported. and yes part of it can also be due to the fact that society labels them as very immoral and that they are ‘asking’ for it.

PS: Stop lying, you keep harping on and on about how i am trying to justify the murder; you sound like a molvi. Read the red highlighted part of my post. What I am disagreeing with you on, is the ‘reason for the crime’.

do you know what a hate crime is? apparently you dont

• hate crime

• crime motivated by hate for group: a crime that is motivated by hate, prejudice, or intolerance of somebody’s religion, ethnicity, or sexual orientation

this guy kills RANDOM innocent men because he hates homosexuals as he even mentioned.
when hateful people attacked random innocent muslims in America after 9/11, what was the reason? was it called a hate crime or were you trying to defend their reasoning as well ? be honest and fair atleast.

[Southie]

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Brilliant. And thank you.

[Zafra]

Re: Interview with Pakistani serial killer

@bella88

whats your point?
how many muslims are involved in terrorist groups and how many terror groups are made of muslims? does that mean it’s justified to generalized muslims as being evil?? if some lgbt group did something wrong, how is it justified to generalize all of them? i bet you dont like it when it happens to muslims, do you?

My point is you apply a double standard based on your own personal biases. You are not objective and your reasoning is flawed. Its very easily true that the serial killer was abused by a homosexual.

You refused to accept it. I called you on it. You started picking up strawmans.

[bella88]

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@Zafra

My point is you apply a double standard based on your own personal biases. You are not objective and your reasoning is flawed. Its very easily true that the serial killer was abused by a homosexual.

You refused to accept it. I called you on it. You started picking up strawmans.

Even if he was abused, does that justify his murders? what is your point? All i said was the man COULD be lying, did not say he is lying for sure. many people lie, whats so strange if this guy is? has no one ever lied before? there is no evidence that he was ever abused, but lets say he was. Even then, how is this not a hate crime? read my above post. when people attacked Muslims after 9/11, was that considered hate crime according to you or were you also trying to defend their motive because those people had been a victim of some terrorist? seems like your reasoning extremely biased and you have very obvious double standards.

[Zafra]

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@bella88

Even if he was abused, does that justify his murders? what is your point? All i said was the man COULD be lying, did not say he is lying for sure. many people lie, whats so strange if this guy is? has no one ever lied before? there is no evidence that he was ever abused, but lets say he was. Even then, how is this not a hate crime? read my above post. when people attacked Muslims after 9/11, was that considered hate crime according to you or were you also trying to defend their motive because those people had been a victim of some terrorist? seems like your reasoning extremely biased and you have very obvious double standards.

Who said it justifies anything? I didn’t. I making a comment regarding your judgment that he lied that a gay man abused him.

So you also think most people abused and molested by straight men could be lying?

[bella88]

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@Zafra

Who said it justifies anything? I didn’t. I making a comment regarding your judgment that he lied that a gay man abused him.

So you also think most people abused and molested by straight men could be lying?

but why are you even talking about abuse here when this guy murdered people? again, do you look for excuses in other hate crimes? all hate crimes are motivated because people view an entire group as evil. hate crimes happen against many groups, including minorities in US as well.
no i dont think most people lie, and yes many people are abused by both homosexuals AND heterosexuals as well. but if you kill random innocent people who have never harmed you based on their race, religion or sexual orientation, it is considered a hate crime. do you see these murders as hate crime? simple yes or no

[Zafra]

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Yes it is a hate crime.

I just find it hypocritical that someone murders people and says he was abused and thus did so and your gut reaction is “oh he is lying”.

[bella88]

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@Zafra

Yes it is a hate crime.

I just find it hypocritical that someone murders people and says he was abused and thus did so and your gut reaction is “oh he is lying”.

I said he COULD be lying. do you think no one ever lies to gain sympathy? why is is so hard to believe that there is a POSSIBILITY of lying? and again, my point was not based on whether he was lying or not. hate crime is a hate crime. some people here seem to be stuck on the fact that this guy is a victim here. he is not a victim, he committed murder of innocent people. if he killed the guy who supposedly absued him, then it would be a different story. stop trying to find justification for his actions.

[Zafra]

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Right someone in Pakistan is gonna admit to being molested to gain sympathy for killing gay people? He doesn’t need sympathy most Pakistanis would praise him since they were gay.

I find it odd that your natural reaction when someone admited he was molested is “he is lying”.

Its exactly how men react to women saying i was raped or sexually harassed. Oh she is lying.

[bella88]

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@Zafra

Right someone in Pakistan is gonna admit to being molested to gain sympathy for killing gay people? He doesn’t need sympathy most Pakistanis would praise him since they were gay.

I find it odd that your natural reaction when someone admited he was molested is “he is lying”.

Its exactly how men react to women saying i was raped or sexually harassed. Oh she is lying.

i find it odd that instead of condemning murder, your natural reaction is to justify his action..

[Zafra]

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Didn’t justify it anywhere did I? My entire irritation is that someone who is molested could be lying.

Most people have to deal with stigma and personal demons of years due to such stuff and I find it pathetic when anybody says they are lying. People who admit they are molested rarely do it for sympathy as you have stated. They do it because they have broken down.