interpreting these verses

008.012YUSUFALI: Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): “I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.”
PICKTHAL: When thy Lord inspired the angels, (saying): I am with you. So make those who believe stand firm. I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger.
SHAKIR: When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.

009.123
YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.
PICKTHAL: O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him).
SHAKIR: O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/008.qmt.html

can u guys please let me know it’s interpretation and under what circumstances, these verses are applied?

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The verse 08:12 is probably depicting the situation of first fight between Muslims of Medina and Kuffars of Makkafh. If you read in context it is telling muslims that the victory of an army (313 soliders, 8 horsemaen and i think some 20 odd swords) over the kuffars of 1000 soldiers with much more powerful war stuff is a feat which could only be performed by Allah's help.

People on kufars side had testified that they saw big horseman charging over them and putting and muslims also saw them fighting from their side. Actually the verses were revealed after the fight i think and it was told to muslims that they need not think themselves alone in fight as Allah is with them. (Allah knows best, may be someone can tell some better interpretation or may be my facts are wrong). In fact i had read somewhere that the Kuffars got so terrorized that either they scummbed to muslim warriors (70 died approx) or they left the battle field.

second one i am not sure what were the circumstances. On the face it is a message not to be fearful in war.

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so what you are telling is, it is just a part of history. should this to be implemented in any other war that happens now?

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as i said that i do not know about the second verse and the first verse being quoted by you is not a commandment but simply information.

I think for second verse the story is contextual, one cannot just take out this verse out of context and declare it to be a commandment of Allah. This is just like christians take one statement of christ from gospels and declare him to be son of God, once we criticize them on this how can we act on a meaning without context. however some scholar can better shed light that if the verse read in context still pass the same message (i think it does not but a gut feeling only)

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Not only non-Muslim scholars, but even some Muslim scholars mistranslate the word ‘Jihad’ as holy war. The Arabic word for ‘holy war’ is ‘harabum muqaddasah’ and this word is not to be found anywhere in the Qur’an nor in any hadith. The word ‘holy war’ was first used to describe the crusades of the Christians who killed thousands of people in the name of Christianity. Today, this term ‘holy war’ is used to falsely describe Jihad, which merely means ‘to strive’. In an Islamic context, Jihad means ‘to strive in the way of Allah for a righteous cause’. i.e. Jihad fi Sabilillah.

Jihad (i.e. striving) in the Bhagavad Gita

]All the major religions encourage their followers to strive in good works. It is mentioned in Bhagavad Gita

“Therefore strive for Yoga, O Arjuna, which is the art of all work.”
(Bhagavad Gita 2:50)

Fighting prescribed in the Bhagavad Gita too

All the major religions of the world have prescribed fighting, at sometime or the other, especially in self-defence or for fighting against oppression.

Mahabharata is an epic and sacred Scripture of the Hindus, which mainly deals with a fight between the cousins, the Pandavas and the Kauravas. In the battlefield Arjun prefers not to fight and be killed rather than having his conscience burdened with the killing of his relatives. At this moment, Krishna advises Arjun in the battlefield and this advice is contained in the Bhagvad Gita. There are several verses in the Bhagvad Gita where Krishna advises Arjun to fight and kill the enemies even though they are his relatives.

It is mentioned in
The Bhagvad Gita Chapter 1 verse 43-46

(43) O Krishna, maintainer of the people, I have heard by disciplic succession that those who destroy family traditions dwell always in hell”

(44) “Alas, how strange it is that we are preparing ourselves to commit great sinful acts, driven by the desire to enjoy royal happiness.”

(45) I would consider better for the sons of Dhritarashtra to kill me unarmed and unresisting rather than fight with them.

(46) “Arjuna, having thus spoken, cast aside his bow and arrow, and sat down on the chariot, his mind, overwhelmed with grief”.

c.Krishna further replies in Bhagvad Gita Chapter 2 Verse 2, 3

  1. “My dear Arjuna, how have these impurities come upon you? They are not at all befitting a man who knows the progressive values of life. They lead not to higher planets but to infamy.

2.“O son of Partha, do not yield to this degrading impotence. It does not become you. Give up such petty weakness of heart and arise, O chastiser of the enemy!”

When Arjuna prefers to be killed unarmed and unresisting rather than fight and kill his cousins Kauravas, Krishna replies to Arjun by saying how this impure thought has come to you which prevents you from entering heaven. Give up this degrading Impotence and weakness of heart and arise, O defeater of enemy.

Krishna further says in Bhagvad Gita Chapter 2 verse 31-33

“Considering your specific duty as a Kshatriya, you should know that there is no better engagement for you than fighting on religious principles, so there is no need for hesitation.”

32.“O Partha, happy are the Kshatriya to whom such fighting opportunities come unsought, opening for them the door of the heavenly planets”.

33.“If however, you do not fight this religious war, then you will certainly incur sin, for neglecting your duties, and thus loose your reputation as a fighter”.

e.There are hundreds of verses in the Bhagvad Gita alone, which encourages fighting and killing, many times more as compared to such verses in the Qur’an.

**Imagine if someone were to say that the Bhagvad Gita encourages the killing of the family members to attain paradise, without quoting the context – such a deliberate attempt will be devilish. But within the context if I say that for truth and justice fighting against the evil is compulsory, even if it be against your relatives, it makes sense.

** **I wonder how come the critics of Islam, especially critics amongst the Hindus, point a finger at the Qur’an when it speaks about fighting and killing unjust enemies. The only possibility I can think of is that they themselves have not read their sacred scriptures such as the Bhagavad Gita, Mahabharata and the Vedas.

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f.Critics of Islam including Hindu critics speak against the Qur’an and the Prophet when they say that if you are killed while doing Jihad i.e. fighting for the truth, you are promised paradise.

Besides quoting Qur’anic verses they quote Sahih Bukhari Vol. 4, Book of Jihad Chapter no. 2 Hadith No. 46

"Allah guarantees that He will admit the Mujaahid in His cause to Paradise if he is killed, otherwise he will return him to his home safely with rewards and war booty”.
Sahih Bukhari Vol. 4, Book of Jihad Chapter no. 2 Hadith No. 46)

There are various similar verses in Bhagavad Gita guaranteeing a person paradise if he is killed while fighting. Take the example of Bhagavad Gita Chapter 2 verse 37:

“O son of Kunti, either you will be killed in the battlefield and attain the heavenly planets (paradise), or you will conquer and enjoy the earthly kingdom, therefore get up and fight with determination”.
(Bhagavad Gita 2:37)

g.Similarly Rigved Book No. 1 Hymn 132 Verse 2-6 as well as many other verses of Hindu Scriptures speak about fighting and killing.

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Interpretation is the act of taking historical revelation (within context) and applying it to contemporary situations. This, regardless of faith. I would suggest that Muslims are free to act as per the verses if indeed those who fight with us behaved like the pagans of Mecca. So it's not so much a question of what Muslims will do...but what will non-Muslims do, imho...

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Dapakiguy, i am not here to prove the superiority of other scriptures. so please dont bring other scriptures.

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should the second verse be applied to contemporary situations?.

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Same answer...depends on the circumstance.

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well ssingh, i assume the same verse shall be applied to contemporary situations if all the circumstances are same as described in the verse, otherwise those verses will apply where peace and tranquility is recommended. For Muslims definition you must be knowing a verse of Iqbal

Ho! Halqa-e-Yaraan to Bresham ki tarah naram
(In company of friends he is soft like silk)

Ho! Razm-e-Haq'o'batil to Faulad hay momin
(A momin(muslim) is like steel in the battle of good vs evil)

I think this verse summarizes what you had been asking. If the Muslim leadership decides that the situation and recommend action, a muslim has to act on the verse quoted by you.