International relations: ‘Saudi-Iranian war has spilled out into Pakistan’

This is not just limited to Pakistan, but also to Bahrain, Syria & else were in the Middle East. Both ayatollahs & Saudi Whahabis are responsible for turmoil all across the Muslim word.

International relations:

LAHORE:
“Diplomacy was what ensured preservation of what was left between the US and Pakistan [relations]… the three bangs on the table didn’t work,” Vali Nasr, a former senior adviser with the US State Department, said on Friday.
He was speaking at the launch of his book, The Dispensable Nation, at the concluding session on the first day of the Lahore Literary Festival. The session was moderated by historian Ayesha Jalal.
Nasr said he felt there was more room for better relations between the US and Pakistan after US withdrawal from Afghanistan.
He said, “Early on, the biggest challenge for the Obama administration was to get the Pakistani government to view Karzai’s government as good for Pakistan.”
He said it was also important to understand that Pakistan and the US had different national security interests in Afghanistan.
“While their [US] foreign policy is impatient, it seems to simultaneously be dealing with countries that have a completely different concept of time.” This, he felt, also posed a hindrance in ensuring better foreign relations.
Replying to a question about whether it was possible to call US as a dispensable nation any time soon, he said a rapid departure from a world where the US is deeply embedded in all facets of life and politics would cause great instability.
Talking about US sanctions on Iran, he said the purpose of the US sanctions was to ensure Iran came to table or that it gave up its nuclear programme.
“There are many in the US who believe that the purpose of the sanctions is to ensure Iran surrenders its nuclear programme,” he said.
Nasr said he believed that the war of supremacy between Saudia Arabia and Iran was over 30-years-old and had grown even more intense over the years with both the countries claiming Islamic supreme leadership.
“The Shia-Sunni rivalry is a very real thing which is now being accepted in the Arab world.” This dimension, he added, further complicated the situation with the conflict spilling over in Pakistan.
“The Saudis and the Iranians went to war in Pakistan… that too through Friday prayers sermons,” he added.
Nasr said Iran pumped in money to Shia groups in Pakistan while Sunni groups were being funded by Saudi Arabia.
The calculus of numbers in Pakistan, being against Iran, he said while the latter lost – the cost of which was the rise of the Taliban and the Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan. “These groups were about creating a military resistance to Iran… but the Saudis learnt the wrong lesson…through pumping in money to Sunnis to think and become more hardened Sunnis, they become less tolerable to Shias.”
Nasr said he believed this was now being played out in Syria.
But despite this, Nasr identified Pakistan as a Muslim country, where even though the Shia population is in the minority, they have held important and influential positions in the running of the state.
“There is an argument that Shias haven’t been as disfranchised in Pakistan as in other [Muslim] countries.” He said the Middle East ‘fascination’ in Pakistan boggled him. “I cannot understand this fascination…the best thing for Pakistan would be to ties with the Middle East and focus on establishing its economic standing.”
Pakistan should look up to countries it could relate to, Nasr said to an applauding audience.
Published in The Express Tribune, February 22nd, 2014.

Re: International relations: ‘Saudi-Iranian war has spilled out into Pakistan’

Saudia is winning...

Re: International relations: ‘Saudi-Iranian war has spilled out into Pakistan’

There are many things I wish I don't ever see in my lifetime, but the fall of the House of Saud is one thing that I wish and pray happens in lifetime.

Re: International relations: ‘Saudi-Iranian war has spilled out into Pakistan’

In terms of killings, yes. But Iranians aren't far behind especially if Syrian civil war goes on for awhile.

Re: International relations: ‘Saudi-Iranian war has spilled out into Pakistan’

This.

They have meddled everywhere from Syria to Egypt, from Iran to Pakistan, from Afghanistan to Iraq and Libya. Every Muslim conflict and destruction has them involved in some way.

Re: International relations: ‘Saudi-Iranian war has spilled out into Pakistan’

^ this is only way keep their kingdom survive, destroy and make weak others.

Re: International relations: ‘Saudi-Iranian war has spilled out into Pakistan’

My post was with regards to Pakistan. Yes I agree in Syria the tally seems to be more evenly balanced.

Re: International relations: ‘Saudi-Iranian war has spilled out into Pakistan’

Saudi Arabia cracks down on citizens who fight abroad - Central Asia Online

RIYADH – A royal decree that penalises Saudis who travel abroad to fight has come at the right time to stop the spread of extremist ideology in the kingdom and in the region, analysts told Al-Shorfa.

The decree, issued by King Abdullah bin Abdulaziz earlier in February, penalises with prison terms of three to 20 years anyone who participates in hostilities outside the kingdom.

The punishment also applies to anyone who belongs to or supports extremist organisations that have been listed as terrorist entities domestically, regionally or internationally or “expresses sympathy for them in any way, provides them with any form of material or moral support, or incites, encourages or promotes doing so verbally, in writing or in any other way.”

The decree stipulates that a committee be formed with representation from the relevant ministries and agencies to compile periodically updated lists of outlawed groups.

Saudi Grand Mufti Sheikh Abdulaziz bin Abdullah Al al-Sheikh was quick to welcome the decree.

“The information we have about those who left [to fight abroad] is that they were misguided youth who believe they are waging ‘jihad’ in the cause of God, but they have instead fallen prey to the enemies of Islam,” he said.

In a statement released after the issuance of the decree, the Saudi Embassy in Ankara said it is prepared to accommodate young people returning from Syria until the legal documents and procedures required for their return to their country are completed.

In addition to the king’s decree, Saudi Arabia passed a “Law for the Crimes of Terrorism and Its Financing” on January 31, said al-Wasatiyyah (Moderation) Centre head Issa al-Ghaith, who serves as an advisor to the minister of justice and on the Shura Council.

“Thus, the kingdom has developed an integrated system for combating terrorism and all related crimes,” he told Al-Shorfa. “The system reflects the serious attention Saudi Arabia gives to combating terrorism, its funding and the ideas that sponsor and promote it, among misguided youth in particular.”
Combating al-Qaeda ideology

“The decree came at a time when everyone has come to know the truth about these terrorist organisations that have led the youth astray for many years with their extremist ideas and terrorist methods, especially al-Qaeda, given what it has done in Saudi Arabia, Yemen and recently Syria,” al-Ghaith said.

Misleading fatwas issued by radical clerics are a primary tool for inciting young people to engage in acts of terrorism, he said, noting that these fatwas reach a wide audience via satellite television, radio and social networking sites and websites.

Many of those who issue such fatwas lack religious credentials and knowledge, he said, adding that some even have criminal records.

Mechanisms to enforce the royal decree should include the establishment of a national counter-terrorism centre that operates in conjunction with the security agencies and the judiciary, al-Ghaith said.

“Terrorism involves not only military terrorism but also intellectual terrorism,” he said. “Accordingly, combating it starts with drying up its wellsprings, especially as there are numerous illegal organisations forming cells that subscribe to ideas stemming from radical terrorist organisations like al-Qaeda.”

“These ideas and organisations are the disease that must be eradicated in order for terrorism as a whole to be eliminated, and that responsibility currently falls not only to the security authorities but also the media and educational institutions and Islamic [entities],” he said.

Re: International relations: ‘Saudi-Iranian war has spilled out into Pakistan’

hypocrisy on part of the Saudis, lets see how long they can dodge the eventuality.

Re: International relations: ‘Saudi-Iranian war has spilled out into Pakistan’

I just canot understand, why u guys are against Sudia, and every body tries to paint Sudia in Black. I agre,e sudia z responsible for that, but Iran z nt far behind.

Re: International relations: ‘Saudi-Iranian war has spilled out into Pakistan’

Libya
Syria
Iraq
Iran
Pakistan
Afghanistan
Egypt
Yemen

Iran-Iraq war, Gulf wars, Egypt, Afghan war, Libyan civil war, Syrian civil war

Now name the countries which have been destroyed by Iran's meddling or which wars has Iran meddled in and we will see how far behind they are. And I am a Sunni. But I am a bit sick of Saudi worship that Pakistanis are prone to.

Re: International relations: ‘Saudi-Iranian war has spilled out into Pakistan’

^^^ Lebanon and Syria, but Sauidis are equally guilty in that.

Saudi ‘seeking Pakistani arms for Syrian rebels’

Dubai (AFP) - Saudi Arabia is in talks with Pakistan to provide anti-aircraft and anti-tank rockets to Syrian rebels to try to tip the balance in the war to overthrow President Bashar al-Assad, a Saudi source said Sunday.

The United States has long opposed arming the rebels with such weapons, fearing they might end up in the hands of extremists, but Syrian opposition figures say the failure of Geneva peace talks seems to have led Washington to soften its opposition.

Pakistan makes its own version of Chinese shoulder-launched anti-aircraft missiles, known as Anza, and anti-tank rockets – both of which Riyadh is trying to get for the rebels, said the source, who is close to Saudi decision-makers, requesting anonymity.

The source pointed to a visit to Riyadh earlier this month by Pakistan’s army chief of staff, General Raheel Sharif, who met Crown Prince Salman bin Abdul Aziz.

Prince Salman himself last week led a large delegation to Pakistan, shortly after Saudi’s chief diplomat Prince Saud al-Faisal visited the kingdom’s key ally.

Jordan will be providing facilities to store the weapons before they are delivered to rebels within Syria, the same source said.

View galleryPakistani Prime Minister Muhammad Nawaz Sharif (right) …
Pakistani Prime Minister Muhammad Nawaz Sharif (right) welcomes Saudi Crown Prince Salman bin Abdul …
AFP could not obtain confirmation from officials in Saudi, Pakistan or Jordan.

The head of the Syrian opposition, Ahmad Jarba, promised during a flying visit to northern Syria last week that “powerful arms will be arriving soon.”

“The United States could allow their allies provide the rebels with anti-aircraft and anti-tank weapons following the failure of Geneva talks and the renewed tension with Russia,” said the head of the Gulf Research Centre, Abdel Aziz al-Sager.

Providing those weapons to the rebels “relieves pressure on the US in the short-term,” said Simon Henderson, director of the Gulf and Energy Policy Programme at the Washington Institue for Near East Policy.

“But the long-term political worry is that Manpads (Man-portable air-defence systems) will leak and be used to bring down a civilian airliner somewhere in the world.”

View galleryWeapons and ammunition seized by the Jordanian security …
Weapons and ammunition seized by the Jordanian security forces during a hunt for wanted "outlaw …
Rebels have long said that anti-aircraft rockets would help them defend themselves against Syrian warplanes, which regularly bomb rebel-held areas with barrels loaded with TNT and other ordinance.

The nearly-three-year conflict in Syria has torn the country apart, killing more than 140,000 people, including some 50,000 civilians, according to the Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights.

Rising Saudi influence

Saudi Arabia has a strong influence on Syria’s southern front, where it coordinates with Jordan, and has helped unite the rebel fighters in the area, according to Syrian opposition sources.

On the other hand, Qatar and Turkey are responsible for coordinating with the rebels on the northern front, said an official of the Syrian opposition, requesting anonymity.

Saudi Arabia has come to eclipse Qatar as the main supporter of the Syrian rebels, a development illustrated by the election last July of Ahmad Jarba, who has strong Saudi links, to lead the Syrian National Coalition, the main umbrella opposition group.

The trend appeared to continue with the dismissal last week of General Selim Idriss, the top commander of the Western-backed Free Syrian Army, who was considered close to Qatar, according to an opposition source.

The main criticism of Idriss was “bad distribution of weapons” and “errors in battle,” said another opposition source.

Idriss, who has refused his dismissal, has been replaced by Brigadier General Abdel Ilah al-Bashir, the leader of the rebel military council for the region of Quneitra in southern Syria.

On its internal front, Saudi Arabia has sidelined intelligence chief Prince Bandar bin Sultan, who had been leading Riyadh’s efforts concerning Syria, according to a Western diplomat.

Diplomats have said that the file has been passed to the interior minister, Prince Mohammed bin Nayef, known for his successful crackdown on Al-Qaeda following a wave of deadly attacks in the kingdom between 2003 and 2006.

Bandar’s management had triggered American criticism, diplomats said.

The Saudi royal himself has reproached Washington for its decision not to intervene militarily in Syria, and for preventing its allies from providing rebels with much-needed weapons, diplomats added.

Re: International relations: ‘Saudi-Iranian war has spilled out into Pakistan’

This was has been fought since 90s, Pakistan need to benefit from this excellent opportunity, send all Shia, Sunni, Wahabi, Jew, Christian haters to Levant region, Syria can be their base camp, their SSP or ASWJ can fight with Hizbullah with the support from Saudi and Akhwan, whereas, Jaish-e-Muhammad can have all the fight with Wahibi of Saudia and can kill as many as they like with the support from Iran and Hizbullah.

Re: International relations: ‘Saudi-Iranian war has spilled out into Pakistan’

Pakistan keeps neutral in Middle East Affairs. However, a state that has a nuclear capacity (Pakistan) should engage more in negotiating peace in the region.

Re: International relations: ‘Saudi-Iranian war has spilled out into Pakistan’

Only if the weapons are 'marked' as from being israel, egypt, eastern europe (doable) and/or india. Heck, disarm taliban and send their weapons on the way like israel did in the eighties.

If it means setting more diesel sandwich seminaries, then no. You can set it up in your own home in farangi land.

Re: International relations: ‘Saudi-Iranian war has spilled out into Pakistan’

How about first establishing peace in its own backyard?

Re: International relations: ‘Saudi-Iranian war has spilled out into Pakistan’

why Pakistan don't become colonial like power, takeover middle east with our mighty army & nukes.

kya nukes hawa dene k liya rakhe hain?