Interference or Assistance?

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Here is a very interesting article on US aid to Pakistan and its effects on the country.

http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2008/08/pakistan_aid_numbers.html

Avery good read. I’d like to ask those who so strongly oppose the US “interference” in Pakistan…what if the US removed itself from the country completely…no troops, no aid, just get out and leave the country and its people alone. Do you think things would get better?

Ive been reading about all these conspiracy theories and seeing so much blame placed on USA for things that are obviously NOT the fault of the USA. There is serious trouble over there that in no way can be attributed to US. (for example the recent attacks on Kadianis in their place of worship or suicide bombers killing innocent fellow Muslims as they shop at market for their dinners).

US is not all innocence and good for sure. But I think what US provides to Pak is more assistance than interference. But US population (aside from government) is getting fed up with the blame and the accusations and the conspiracy theories and the terrorist threats.

I can imagine this type of complete removal actually happening, people get pushed past their limit and the voice of the people is getting louder. In USA, when the voice of the people gets loud, politicians act. Sad but true…I mean look at some of the horrifying comments people make on CNN. There seems to be a developing feeling that we should get out and leave Pakistan to self destruct. Sadly, I can see this happening too.

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why dont america first help its people? and yes please kindly stop worrying about Pakistan. we dont need any help, any aid. we are good on our own.

the aid american give only went in to the pockets of bureaucrats, feudal lords, corrupt politicians and businessmen who dont pay taxes. so discussing it is POINTLESS.

however, the real question one should ask is is america there to help pakistan or are they there to watch INDIA, CHINA, IRAN?

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Zobia, yes I think you're right. America does have all sorts of assistance for its people, from free education to welfare assistance to unemployment aid to social security...but surely we still have people in need here so maybe better to focus on them. NOT. Because even the worst off people here fare so much better than the majority of citizens over there yeah?

I cannot stop worrying about Pakistan as it is the country of my husband's birth and could be a truly wonderful country if its problems were addressed. I visited there and so wish that things were different, that I could live and raise my boys there. But there are too many reasons why this is not an option. If Pakistan were a peaceful and safe place to visit, it could bring in vast amounts of income as a tourist destination, a place for corporations to expand into, a place where people would want to live. Its beautiful, its so rich in cultural sites and practices...these are things that the rest of the world never gets to see because the problems far outweigh anything positve about the country. Sad, right?

Yes, the aid ends up in all the wrong places. But doesnt it seem like the people over there should focus more on that issue? Instead of focusing on the evil-ness of usa, focus first on cleaning up corruption? Focus on getting people fed and educated?

US is over there because its the top two or three most dangerous places on the planet, rife with corruption, terrorism, human rights violations, poverty, lack of health care etc. I guess, sure, they want to keep an eye on other nearby countries too...but are those as big a threat to world peace or to security of US citizens? Not really.

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its blood money init, to stop the caliphate http://www.paklinks.com/gs/world-affairs/426405-afghan-war-is-war-on-islam-uk-pm-advisor-post7402644.html?highlight=caliphate#post7402644

and because america is so powerful especially in diplomatic arm twisting, it’ll take an islamic government to refuse the money

until then just watch the internal bloodshed en mass in pakistan

your so generous in assistance

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shard, that was kind of at the heart of my question....do you think if USA pulled out everything that things in Pakistan would get better?

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mama, fastest way to put things in perspective for you would telling you that US is not the only country helping Pakistan.
Now the other countries who help pakistan they don’t have no agendas. They don’t make pakist fight their wars.
They don’t support dictators etc etc…
They don’t tell pakistan… you can’t spend aid money on education, because its not productive for us.

Other then corruption of our leader which make them prone to manipulation, there is only one reason for pakistan chasing after US like a puppy, that reason is US’s defence technology.

hmmm

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by the way the speaker in the video linked above is not any joe bloggs

better is a relative term, cant comment on better because its such a complex subject.

nah let em stay and be beat. empires only go to afghanistan to die

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mama, i am not asking You to stop worrying :hehe:

and worrying doesn’t require boundaries or skin color. you should be worrying without any bias. you should be worrying for every human, whether its Pakistan or Indian.

what i wrote is related to American govt, cuz afterall americans people only do is Vote and work 9-5. Govt is the one who takes all the burden of the entire world (instead of just their own country).
but quite frankly, American is not the one who is destructing Pakistan.

you said, “US is over there because its the top two or three most dangerous places on the planet, rife with corruption, terrorism, human rights violations, poverty, lack of health care etc” but is Pakistan the only country that faces human right violations, poverty, lack of health? go to India, or african countries…or why going that far…go to the south of america you will find load more hunger there.

terrorism is a new thing to Pakistanis (except for Karachi) which seems more like a byproduct of american advent or may be it is not.

more than 60% of the pakistani population is still illiterate, so what did the ratio of literacy increased through american advent? Only Karachi used to be attacked and affected, but now every other major city reports blasts.

if you see in reality, Pakistan is losing more than gaining.

besides, did you ever read a report that American build schools here and there? more pakistani population exist in rural areas but I dont see or hear any development in any rural areas.

and do you actually believe that pakistan needs aid so they can live one extra day? Pakistan has the best rice and wheat. their cotton which is also the best, is exported to japan and then labeled Made in japan, which is then exported all around the world. we have the spices, our irrigation system is the best (only if india dont stop our water), we have all the fruits. (just go to any american grocery store, most of it you will find GM food, and rest is exported from other countries), but try Pakistani fruit. We have all the weathers and we can be best in tourist spot. We also have all the spices. more than that the water of its shore is moderate. but nothing reaches to actual Pakistanis…cuz of Corruption

the thing we Lack is Trust on ourselves, and education and knowledge (both worldly and Quran). we fight our false gods. :(. and quite honestly america is just taking advantage of the situation otherwise they have very little to commute towards any progress (if happening) and also destruction. we are our own enemy :hinna:

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one thing is for sure, their presence in that region is certainly wrong. very wrong

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agree.

plus those little things/incidents which happen around US’s interest.

hmmm like

like mush staging whole drama US style which eventually caused the recent and only wave to terrorism across the country.

Thing is in pakistan most army/police installation don’t even have serious boundary walls.
That alone tell us how safe country was before US butt in.