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And r u going to do the same wrt post 58?
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Why is anyone disagreeing with you conveniently labeled arrogant?
Is that also gleaned from real world experience?
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So per ur last two sentences the institutionalized racism experienced by blacks is due to their poor control on the feed back they give?
Are you prepared to draw the same conclusion wrt Salman Rushdie? Or someone else who per ur pov has insulted Islam and or the holy book?
Be consistent. Or less arrogant - to use ur word.
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we see your point we go there do ground work and reply. —> humility.
You guys, come on a horse, with where you set you mind when leaving palace. No paying attention to
what we say, missing points. Reiterating notions ------> arrogance
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what Rushdie has to do with this thread ? I would draw any conclusion. but what is his relevance?
dude I worked in mix black neighbour hood for many years, I knew families, kids boys girls etc etc…
So I am talking from behind the TV but for real life.
There are groups among black people, who naturally thinks like WE do, and dont let YOUR theory effect them.
Predominantly black mothers.
Funny I also see them working nice jobs, being kind to pleasant to people.
You can use little Darwin, and trace this back to, womens’ ability to find path of least resistance, and not up holding stupid stuff as guys tend to do.
Reason I say that, because you would use darwin and tell me “oh they were not discriminated so they got work, not they are happy” Which off course would be not true.
BTW, we don’t believe ONLY post #58](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=58) is all you need to over come the issue. We have other things which comes into the play, Now one thing is taking 6 pages 83 posts, if I tell you next thing its going to be forever.
It perseverance and positive reinforcement, to each other, even when you don’t see the results.
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Black Moms Tell White Moms About the Race Talk
Ten black mothers sat on the stage in an auditorium and looked into a diverse crowd of women in the audience. They were about to share something personal and hurtful with this room full of mostly strangers.
They were going to talk about something they didn’t normally share with their white friends or colleagues.
It was about to get real in that room.
In the aftermath of the killing of Michael Brown, an unarmed black teenager fatally shot by a white Ferguson, Missouri police officer, conversations about race in the St. Louis area have been loaded.
Christi Griffin, the president of The Ethics Project, wanted this to be different. She wanted to invite mothers of other races to hear directly from black mothers the reality of raising a black son in America. She wanted them to hear the words they each had said to their own sons, in different variations over the years, but all with the same message: Stay alive. Come home alive.
She wanted mothers who had never felt the fear, every single time their son walked outside or drove a car, that he could possibly be killed to hear what that felt like.
Griffin’s son, now grown, had never gotten in trouble nor given her any trouble growing up. But when her son was 14 years old, the family moved into an all-white neighborhood. She took him to the police department to introduce him to the staff. She wanted the officers to know that he belonged there, that he lived there.
When he turned 16, it was time for another talk. Every single time he got into his car to drive, she made him take his license out of his wallet and his insurance card out of the glove compartment.
“I did not want him reaching for anything in the car.”
He graduated from college with a degree in physics.
Marlowe Thomas-Tulloch said that when she noticed her grandson was getting bigger and taller, she laid bare a truth to him: Son, if the police stop you, I need for you to be humble. But I need more than that. I need for you to be prepared to be humiliated.
If they tell you take your hands out of your pockets, take your hands out. Be ready to turn your pockets out. If they tell you to sit down, be prepared to lie down.
You only walk in the street with one boy at a time, she told him.
“What?” her grandson said. In his 17-year-old mind, he hadn’t done anything wrong and nothing was going to happen to him.
“If it’s three or more, you’re a mob,” she said. “That’s how they will see you.”
She started to cry.
“Listen to me,” she begged. “Hear me.”
Finally, she felt him feel her fear.
If they ask you who you are, name your family.
Yes, sir and no, sir. If they are in your face, even if they are wrong, humble yourself and submit yourself to the moment.
“I’m serious,” she said. “Because I love you.”
She told him she would rather pick him up from the police station than identify his body at a morgue.
When her grandson left to go home, she called her daughter to tell her about the conversation. Her daughter asked her what she had said, because her son came home upset, with tears in his eyes.
“I hope I said enough to save his life,” Thomas-Tulloch said. “I’d rather go down giving him everything I got.”
The mothers talked about the times their sons had been stopped in their own neighborhoods because “they fit the description.” They shared the times their sons had come home full of rage and hurt for being stopped and questioned for no reason. And they told the other mothers how often they told their sons to simply swallow the injustice of the moment. Because they wanted them alive, above all.
Amy Hunter, director of racial justice at the YWCA in metro St. Louis, said it’s taken her 10 years to be able to share this story about her son without crying. She didn’t want her white friends to see her cry when she told it. She didn’t want to look weak.
Her four children are now older, but when one of her sons was 12, he decided to walk home from the Delmar Loop in University City where he had met some friends.
He saw a police officer circling him, and he knew. He was wearing Sperrys, a tucked-in polo shirt, a belt. He was 12, and he knew, but he was scared.
He lived five houses away, and he hadn’t done anything wrong.
“I knew you were home,” he said to his mom when he finally made it home after being frisked. “I knew I was about to get stopped, and I thought about running home to you.”
His mother froze.
“I forgot to tell him,” she said. “I forgot to tell him: Don’t run. Don’t run or they’ll shoot you.”
Her 12-year-old cried when he told her what had happened and asked if he was stopped because he was black.
“Probably, yeah,” she said.
“I just want to know, how long will this last?” he asked her.
That’s when she started to cry.
“For the rest of your life,” she said.
It doesn’t matter about your college degree, the car you drive, the street you live on, she told the moms in the audience. It’s not going to shield your child like a Superman cape. She admitted that it was difficult to share these painful moments.
Just one of the mothers on the stage asked a single question of the audience. Assata Henderson, who has raised three children, all college graduates, said she called her sons to ask them what they remembered about “the talk” she had given them about how to survive as a black man.
“Mama, you talked all the time,” they said to her.
It made her wonder, she said. She said she wasn’t pointing any fingers, but it made her wonder about the conversations the other mothers were having with their sons, who grow up to be police officers, judges and CEOs.
“You’re the mothers,” she said to the crowd. “What are the conversations you are having with the police officers who harass our children?”
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Good for them.. and good for you.
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I read the first two sentences. Let me respond.
I had posed a similar question to Psyah.
Both of you claim that racism is based on poor control of feed back from recipient of racism. Using the same logic, if someone insults your holy book or your Prophet, would you apply the same criterion? That it is YOUR poor feed back to that someone that is causing this anti holy book or anti Prophet backlash?
Of course you won’t apply that logic. So don’t apply this poor feedback control logic to blacks who are victims of institutionalized racism.
Why is it so hard to understand? Why are you so “arrogant”?
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Look in the mirror. And say this to yourself.
By the way, how about that Market?
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Let’s get back to this video, shall we?
I liked the video for what it tried to portray. Fine. Good work and great intention.
The message was that there maybe people who would counter someone from their community to have irrational views of someone.
It is still a video posted on youtube after it was made and carefully watched.
For all this matter, participants COULD still be the actors.
Can anyone really deny this?
It does not by any means absolves any society at large to have negative impression of a foreign looking person in foreign attire.
Canadian have their fair share in that too.
I earlier said racism DOES exist in many societies like mosaic pattern on the floor.
Not all chips of stone have racism written on it, but many stones do in a given area of the floor.
P.S. I am still surprised why Psyah advised people to “appease” racism.
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southie some time every thing is in details. I am not big fan of discussions, because to make point we over look the details.
Salman Rushdi is one person offending one group of people. 99.99^10 % muslims wont have any interaction with him.
We don’t have his responsibility.
But when a group of people we come across every single day, we interact with, every hr. Its a different situation. As muslim we have responsibility. We can not let our self be the ground so bad feeling cultivate on us, neither we can pick any thing but best course of action with them, so their
behaviour get better over the time.
For that time we use sabar and positive reinforcement.
Its some thing we do practice by design. Some of us see its benefits too.
We continue to do this, since this is the only way we know…
Thank you.
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Lots of words. But you didn’t answer my question.
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bye.
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