interesting read

The latest happening that concerns Muslims is that of
the demolishing of Buddhist statues in Afghanistan by
the Taliban. In addition to the uproar raised by
non-Muslims, some Muslims have also criticized and
denounced this action by the Taliban and have stated
that this action is against the teachings of Islam.

How should you and I view this action of the Taliban?
What are the various perspectives against which this
issue needs to be studied? And what do the Qur’an and
the life of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) have to offer in
terms of guidance in this context?

Please examine the following points and form your own
conclusion:

  1. The Taliban have not demolished Buddhist temples or
    monasteries. No place of worship has been harmed. Nor
    have they entered homes of non-Muslims and compelled
    them to accept or practice Islam. Only statues in
    public places are being demolished. Thus, the Taliban
    are following the injunctions of the Qur’an (109: 126
    as well as 2:256).

The Qur’an says at 109:126 “Say: O you that reject
Faith! I worship not that which you worship, nor will
you worship that I worship. And I will not worship
that which you have been wont to worship. To you be
your way and to me mine.”

The Qur’an says at 2:256 “Let there be no compulsion
in religion: Truth stands out Clear from Error”.

  1. Buddha never stated, “I am God. Worship me”. Nor
    did he instruct or ask that his statues be built and
    worshipped.

  2. None of the authentic Buddhist scriptures prescribe
    or encourage idol worship.

  3. Destroying statues and idols is not a ‘fard’ (an
    obligatory act), but it is ‘mustahib’ (a recommended
    act). Therefore any Muslim who condemns this act and
    decision of the Taliban is wrong in his condemnation.
    The least such a Muslim can do is to keep his mouth
    shut and not denounce this action. Such Muslims should
    read the books of ‘seerah’ – the life of the Prophet.
    After the conquest of Makkah by the Prophet Muhammad
    and the Muslims, Makkah and the Ka’bah were completely
    purged of idolatry - all idols and statues were
    destroyed publicly. For humans should only obey and
    worship the Creator: the One True God and not His
    Creation. The Taliban are courageous in following this
    Sunnah.

'Alee ibn Abee Taalib reported that the Prophet
Muhammad ordered him to demolish all idols he came
across, deface all statues and pictures and to level
all elevated graves – graves that were more than a
palm’s width high with the surrounding earth. Sahih
Muslim, English, Vol. 2, hadeeth no. 2115 at pg. No.
459; Sunan Abu Daawood, English,Vol.2, hadeeth no.
3212 at pg. 914 – 915. Also reported by an-Nasaa’ee
and at-Tirmidhee.

  1. The biggest sin in the sight of Allah is ‘shirk’ –
    associating partners with Allah and worshipping idols
    and statues. This is one sin that Allah says he will
    never forgive. The Qur’an says at 4:116 “Allah
    forgives not (the sin of) joining other gods with him;
    but he forgives whom He pleases sins other than this:
    one who joins gods with Allah, has strayed far, far
    away (from the Right).”

  2. Even Prophet Abraham (pbuh) had destroyed idols and
    statues worshipped by his own father and by his
    community. See the Qur’an 21: 57 – 58

  3. If any staunch Hindu would purchase a house
    previously owned by a Muslim and if that house had a
    carving or sculpture work depicting the Ka’bah or the
    prophet’s mosque on the walls or pillars of this
    house, what would this Hindu do? Would he not demolish
    these carvings?

  4. If you, a Muslim, were to purchase a house that has
    idols and statues, of various gods and goddesses of
    Hindu mythology, carved on its walls or pillars, would
    you not demolish these and keep your own house free
    from such abominations?

The Prophet Muhammad stated, “Certainly angels do not
enter houses in which pictures and statues are
present.” Sahih Al-Bukhari, English, Vol. 7, hadeeth
no. 838 at pg. 542, and also hadeeth no. 844 at pg.
545-6; Also Sahih Muslim, English, Vol. 3, pg. 1158,
hadeeth no. 5254.

  1. The Taliban are actually helping neighbouring India
    and nearby Nepal in following the Hindu and Buddhist
    religious scriptures. Why? Because many Hindu
    scriptures have ample number of verses that denounce
    idol worship. And because Buddha never described God
    nor did he ask his followers to worship God or to
    worship him (Buddha). Please see the footnotes for
    quotations and references.

  2. Hindus, who worship Ganapati, keep the statue of
    this Hindu god in their house for about ten days
    during the ‘Ganapati season or festival’ and later –
    later they themselves with their own hands throw these
    idols into the dirty water of lakes, rivers,
    ocean-fronts and water tanks. On being submerged in
    water, these idols break and fall apart. By merely
    labeling this act as ‘immersion’ does not change the
    fact that these idols are disposed off by throwing
    them in water. The worshippers of the Hindu goddess
    Durga do a similar thing at the time of the Durga Puja
    in West Bengal.

  3. When cocaine is seized from smugglers and drug
    peddlers, the entire quantity of cocaine is burnt and
    destroyed even if it is worth millions of dollars in
    the market. Because cocaine is harmful for humans. So
    are statues and idols. Hence they are to be destroyed
    irrespective of the so called ‘cultural and heritage
    value’. Only when gold is seized, it is recycled
    because it has value.

  4. When communism fell in the Soviet Union, huge and
    prominent statues of Lenin and Stalin were demolished.
    Why were they not a part of the ‘great world
    heritage’?

  5. When the government changes hands from one
    political party to another in any state of India,
    portraits and photo frames of political leaders are
    changed overnight on the basis of political
    affiliation.

  6. Some Hindus may ask, “How would it feel if Hindus
    were to destroy mosques in India?” Firstly, India is a
    democratic and secular country. Even if it were a
    Hindu state, no Hindu scripture says that any place of
    worship or any object of worship should be demolished.
    Places of worship are distinct from objects of
    worship. Muslims do not have any objects of worship.
    Muslims worship Almighty God alone. When Muslims do
    not have any ‘object of worship’, where does the
    question of demolishing their ‘object of worship’
    arise?

The Prophet Muhammad stated, “All the earth is a
masjid except graveyards and toilets.” Sunan Abu
Daawood, English, Vol. 1, pg. 125, no. 492; also
reported by at-Tirmidhee and Ibn Maajah.

  1. Only the Creator is worthy of worship and
    obedience and not His Creation. So all objects of
    worship need to be demolished whenever the appropriate
    opportunity arises.

  2. One of the Islamic countries that has for several
    years been boldly and publicly prohibiting the worship
    of idols and statues in its territory as well as entry
    of statues and idols into its country is the Kingdom
    of Saudi Arabia. We appreciate this country for its
    bold and uncompromising stand on this issue. We are
    happy that the Taliban are following suit.

  3. Smoking is bad for the physical health of humans.
    Hence smoking is now banned in public places in
    several countries. Islam forbids smoking. Similarly,
    statues and idols are bad for the spiritual and mental
    health of humans. The Taliban are removing statues
    from public places.

Please note that the Ka’bah in Makkah is not an object
of worship as misunderstood by many non-Muslims. Look
at its shape. It is a cubical structure and not an
idol or a statue. The Ka’bah is for providing a sense
of direction to all Muslims in their worship of the
One True God.

The Taliban are doing an act appreciated in Islam. An
act recommended by Islam. Why are Muslims afraid of
‘repercussions’? In Allah let the believers put their
trust. He is the best to Help and the best to Protect.
Those afraid of repercussions need to get their
priorities right and need to refresh their Eimaan by
reflecting on what the Qur’an says in 9:24

Muslims need to stand up for truth, speak the truth
and be witnesses to the truth. Truth is what the
Qur’an states and what the Prophet has recommended –
truth is not shaped by personal opinions of
‘intellectuals’ and politicians or by world opinion.

The big outcry is but a part of a continuous struggle
between:

Revealed religion Vs Mythology, fairy tales,
folklore and man-made religions

Truth Vs Falsehood

Worship of the Creator Vs Worship of the Created, of
Creatures and of figments of imagination

The Religion of Truth Vs Deviations from Truth

Tawheed Vs Shirk

Don’t be ashamed. Don’t be embarassed. Use this issue
as an opportunity to do Da’wah with your non-Muslim
friends and colleagues.

Please send this note to:

(a) At least three of your close friends, and request
them in turn to send it to three friends of theirs and
so on.

(b) At least three Islamic centers, organizations and
associations

(c) At least three Islamic magazines and publications

(d) Your local leading dailies and major newspapers

(e) And of course, please put this up on your web site
or home page.

May Allah help the Taliban and all Muslims world wide
in our efforts to bring the masses to Tawheed – the
obedience and worship of the One True God alone.
Aameen.

JazakAllah.

A MUSLIM

Also see footnotes . . . .

FOOTNOTES:

(A) Consider the following verse from the Bhagwad
Gita:

“Those whose intelligence has been stolen by material
desires surrender unto demigods and follow the
particular rules and regulations of worship according
to their own natures.”
[Bhagavad Gita 7:20]

(B) The following verse from the Upanishad alludes to
the inability of man to imagine God in a particular
form:

“Na samdrse tisthati rupam asya, na caksusa pasyati
kas canainam.”

“His form is not to be seen; no one sees Him with the
eye.”
[Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:20]

(C) The following verses from the Yajurveda echo a
similar concept of God:

i) “na tasya pratima asti”
“There is no image of Him.”
[Yajurveda 32:3]

ii) “shudhama poapvidham”
“He is bodiless and pure.”
[Yajurveda 40:8]

iii) “Andhatama pravishanti ye asambhuti mupaste”
“They enter darkness, those who worship the
natural elements” (Air, Water, Fire, etc.). “They sink
deeper in darkness, those who worship sambhuti.”
[Yajurveda 40:9]

 Sambhuti means created things, for example table,

chair, idol, etc.

(D) The Brahma Sutra of Hinduism is:
“Ekam Brahm, dvitiya naste neh na naste kinchan”
“There is only one God, not the second; not at all,
not at all, not in the least bit.”

TEACHINGS OF BUDDHA:

The principal teachings of Gautama Buddha can be
summarised in what the Buddhists call the ‘Four Noble
Truths’:
First – There is suffering and misery in life.
Second – The cause of this suffering and misery is
desire.
Third – Suffering and misery can be removed by
removing desire.
Fourth – Desire can be removed by following the Eight
Fold Path.

ABSENCE OF THE CONCEPT OF GOD IN BUDDHISM

Buddha was silent about the existence or non-existence
of God. Buddhism provided Dhamma or the ‘impersonal
law’ in place of God. Many scholars consider the
evolution of the concept of Buddha as a god or as an
object of worship within Buddhism as an effect of
Hinduism.

BUDDHAS ARE ONLY PREACHERS:

According to the Dhammapada, Sacred Books of East
volume 10 pg., 67:

“The Jathagatas (Buddhas) are only Preachers.”
This confirms the age-old tendency amongst humans to
deify and worship those human beings who have been
preachers and reformers. Gautam Buddha never claimed
to be God nor did he ask or instruct that he should be
worshipped in any way or form.

If its recommended as u state in ur post.. why didnt Prophet Muhammad destroyed all temples, churches and synagoues in Arabia or Sahaba Karam when they conquested other areas and countries... If by chance other religions also start recommendations of destroying mosques thren all Christian countries would start destroying mosques...
In fact its ethical and moral code in all religion to safeguard other religions holy places... Only jahil and illitrate people in all religions do that and its not a part of any surviving religion... If muslims had started dong that then Islam would never had spread.. take example og Mahmood ghaznavi.. his lust for Gold resulting in people in South India reacting and not embracing Islam.. its high time we should stop and condemn wrondoings even if they are done by muslims... Besides Kaaba no idol was broken...

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Originally posted by Degas:
Besides Kaaba no idol was broken...
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I think you are wrong here. I understand that there was yet another temple whose idols were broken.

Good post, mundyaa

Degas interesting thoughts. but i think you missed the whole point of the article. u might want to read it again.

If what Taliban are doing is wrong today then, all Muslims should have kept all the idols that were worshipped by our forefathers? Are they intact in saudia today? No they are not. Have your forefathers kept all the statues their non-muslim forefathers worshipped by anychance? seen any ganeshes laying around in the basement lately? Well I didnt see any in my house nor in the houses of Muslim families I know. Why? cos the message was "There is no god but Allah" so NO statues idols needed for Muslims. Arabs and other muslim countries got rid of the idols worshipped by their forefathers long time ago, its Talibans turn now. As they say history repeats itself.

As for your points about hindutvas destroying mosques in india well here is news for you. If there were no muslims in india to protect these mosques, hindutvas would have gotten rid of them long ago. Make no mistake about it and there would be nothing you and i could do or say about it. fyi. It happened in spain.

Aisha, thanks. the article isnt mine. got it in mail.

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Originally posted by mundyaa:
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Aisha, thanks. the article isnt mine. got it in mail.**
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Well, please give the reference to your article; who wrote it, which newspaper/column etc etc

JazakAllah.
A MUSLIM
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ur guess is as good as mine.

That's very convincing Mundyaa.

Nice post mundyaa.Very interesting read.Thanks for posting it.
Degas,
Where does the article say it is recommended to destryo temples or churches?
Sorry but I didn't find any such comments in the article.

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Originally posted by Degas:
If its recommended as u state in ur post.. why didnt Prophet Muhammad destroyed all temples, churches and synagoues in Arabia or Sahaba Karam when they conquested other areas and countries...
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Ahmed,
Right here.. please read again... this statement would certainly raise many questions...

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4. Destroying statues and idols is not a 'fard' (an
obligatory act), but it is 'mustahib' (a recommended
act.**
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[This message has been edited by Degas (edited March 08, 2001).]

Degas I did read that part but idols are not the same as temples or monastries or churches etc.
This is what the article says about them.

"1. The Taliban have not demolished Buddhist temples or
monasteries. No place of worship has been harmed. Nor
have they entered homes of non-Muslims and compelled
them to accept or practice Islam. Only statues in
public places are being demolished. Thus, the Taliban
are following the injunctions of the Qur'an (109: 126
as well as 2:256)."

Not that I support(or oppose)taliban's action but muslims should refrain from comparing that action to invading places of worship,i.e.temples or monastries.
Let's look at things in proper perspective and proportion.

I recognise parts of the article. Either somebody has ripped off Dr. Zakir Naik's research and used it here or the man himself has entered the fray about the Taliban issue.


They shoot partypoopers, don't they?

If some one does an act isolately about other religion no one would know it.. but when its public then there would always be a reaction from the other side...
Are we going to teach Budhist about their own religion that they should not do idol worship? Is breaking their idols would make them turn towards Islam.. what about millions of budhist all over the world... In Allahs sight all humans are same and He loves them equally.. Its a matter of a moment when these nin-muslims can become and we born-muslims otherwise.... so we may be in our ignorance stopping them in embracing Islam... religion should create harmony not create hatred among people...

Nice Article…very supportive of its argument.

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But what i don’t see is why there is such a ‘push’ for the demolishing of these statues when the talibans are being offered teh chance of having them transported to elsewhere?

If it is western propaganda to give such idols much importance (as it was the opposite in point number 12–stalin/statues), why don’t the talibans go along and agree to have them removed?

Mohammad (pbuh) removed the idols from the ka’ba because they were ‘worshipped’. The current engraved idols in Afghanistan are not publically worshipped.

I don’t see why the talibans are having this level of hate rise from the western world when they can easily pass this issue on as if it doesn’t hold much importance.


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Everyone is going to hell and I’m driving the bus.**

degas, well if the objective is to please non-muslims who worship idols then the best thing you can do to please them is to join them. but thats not what they want in Afghanistan.

x_com, these statues are considered "world art" for some. But they are considered objects of "shirk" for muslims. Which ones more important? For Taleban its the later and its unfortunate that its not for some muslims.

Very nice and informative post, mundaya.

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Have no comments regarding the context, there is already enough fury to go around about it on the forums.

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