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An atheist professor of philosophy speaks to his class on the problem
science has with God, The Almighty.

He asks one of his new Muslim students to stand and…

Professor: You are a Muslim, aren’t you, son?

**Student **: Yes, sir.

Prof: So you believe in God?

Student : Absolutely, sir.

Prof: Is God good?

**Student **: Sure.

Prof: Is God all-powerful?

Student : Yes.

Prof: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to God to heal
him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But God
didn’t. How is this God good then? Hmm?

(Student is silent.)

Prof: You can’t answer, can you? Let’s start again, young fella. Is God
good?

**Student **:Yes.

Prof: Is Satan good?

Student : No.

Prof: Where does Satan come from?

**Student **: From…God…

Prof: That’s right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?

**Student **: Yes.

Prof: Evil is everywhere, isn’t it? And God did make everything.
Correct?

Student : Yes.

Prof: So who created evil?

(Student does not answer.)

Prof: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness?
All these terrible things exist in the world, don’t they?

Student :Yes, sir.

Prof: So, who created them?

(Student has no answer.)

Prof: Science says you have 5 senses you use to identify and observe
the world around you. Tell me, son…Have you ever seen God?

Student: No, sir.

Prof: Tell us if you have ever heard your God?

**Student **: No , sir.

Prof: Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God, smelt your God?
Have you ever had any sensory perception of God for that matter?

Student : No, sir. I’m afraid I haven’t.

Prof: Yet you still believe in Him?

**Student **: Yes.

Prof: According to empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science
says your GOD doesn’t exist. What do you say to that, son?

**Student **: Nothing. I only have my faith.

Prof: Yes. Faith. And that is the problem science has.

Student : Professor, is there such a thing as heat?

Prof: Yes.

**Student **: And is there such a thing as cold?

Prof: Yes.

**Student **: No sir. There isn’t.

(The lecture theatre becomes very quiet with this turn of events.)

Student : Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat,
mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don’t have
anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we
can’t go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold
is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold.
Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just
the absence of it.

(There is pin-drop silence in the lecture theatre.)

**Student **: What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as
darkness?

Prof: Yes. What is night if there isn’t darkness?

**Student **: You’re wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of
something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing
light…But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and it’s called
darkness, isn’t it?In reality, darkness isn’t. If it were you would be able to
make darkness darker, wouldn’t you?

Prof: So what is the point you are making, young man?

**Student **: Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.

Prof: Flawed? Can you explain how?

**Student **: Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue
there is life and then there is death, a good God and a bad God. You
are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we
can measure. Sir, science can’t even explain a thought. It uses electricity
and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one.
To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that
death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life: just
the absence of it. Now tell me, Professor. Do you teach your students that they
evolved from a monkey?

Prof: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of
course, I do.

Student : Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?

(The Professor shakes his head with a smile, beginning to realize where
the argument is going.)

**Student **: Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at
work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going
endeavour, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a
preacher?

(The class is in uproar.)

Student : Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the
Professor’s brain?

(The class breaks out into laughter.)

Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor’s
brain, felt it, touched or smelt it?..No one appears to have done so.
So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable,
demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?

(The room is silent. The professor stares at the student, his face
unfathomable.)

Prof: I guess you’ll have to take them on faith, son.

**Student **: That is it sir.. The link between man & god is FAITH.

[phatima]

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Allah hu Akbar =)

[desi_angel]

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smart student

[fghd]

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Subhanallah!

Love it!

[parissenoor]

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…the abyssal ignorance of some people gives me vertigo…
as most of them used to say everytime you can not explain something ask a guru he can blindly hypnotise the common folk

[Teazy]

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Very good points

[phatima]

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@parissenoor

…the abyssal ignorance of some people gives me vertigo…
as most of them used to say everytime you can not explain something ask a guru he can blindly hypnotise the common folk

I find it funny that when someone chooses not to believe in what you believe, you call them arrogant. However, when you choose not to believe in what we believe, you are not arrogant.

In actuality, none of us are arrogant. Arrogance would be when one believes in something with no reasoning whatsoever other than that they do not wish to believe in what the others believe in.

[parissenoor]

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arrogance is pretending to be able to argue seriously
and then refusing to do it by purposelty posting in a place when only teenagers without any university degree are showing off…
you could have discussed there:
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=200249

[danial]

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edited.

[parissenoor]

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Student : Professor, is there such a thing as heat?

Prof: Yes.

**Student **: And is there such a thing as cold?

Prof: Yes.

**Student **: No sir. There isn’t.

(The lecture theatre becomes very quiet with this turn of events.)

Student : Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat,
mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don’t have
anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we
can’t go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold
is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold.
Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just
the absence of it.

there is no heat/cold concept in physics only molecules moving, friction and the subsequent heat…cold do not exist, as it is physically impossible to reach the absolute zero (-273.15°C).
(There is pin-drop silence in the lecture theatre.)

**Student **: What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as
darkness?

Prof: Yes. What is night if there isn’t darkness?

**Student **: You’re wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of
something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing
light…But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and it’s called
darkness, isn’t it?In reality, darkness isn’t. If it were you would be able to
make darkness darker, wouldn’t you?
:rolleyes:darkness is the absorption of light, a black hole retains all light beam because the escape speed to black hole attraction is superior to light speed

Prof: So what is the point you are making, young man?

**Student **: Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.

Prof: Flawed? Can you explain how?

**Student **: Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue
there is life and then there is death, a good God and a bad God. You
are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we
can measure. Sir, science can’t even explain a thought. It uses electricity
and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one.
To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that
death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life: just
the absence of it. Now tell me, Professor. Do you teach your students that they
evolved from a monkey?

Prof: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of
course, I do.

Student : Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?
**what is the need when some reasearchers have made experiments to observe evolutoin in their own labs…not everyone has PhD in biology:rolleyes:
**
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/310/5756/1878

(The Professor shakes his head with a smile, beginning to realize where
the argument is going.)

**Student **: Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at
work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going
endeavour, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a
preacher?

(The class is in uproar.) **false: read that: **http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/310/5756/1878

Student : Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the
Professor’s brain?

(The class breaks out into laughter.)

Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor’s
brain, felt it, touched or smelt it?..No one appears to have done so.
So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable,
demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?

(The room is silent. The professor stares at the student, his face
unfathomable.)
does any of them know about scanners??:cb: it can show the brain and proves its existence very easily:D…

Prof: I guess you’ll have to take them on faith, son. what a stupid prof :rolleyes:

**Student **: That is it sir.. The link between man & god is FAITH.

[ChupKeSe]

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i will read this later when i have time

[insan]

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have read before , but feel much better by reading it again :)

[Crescent]

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Student : Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat,
mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don’t have
anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we
can’t go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold
is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold.
Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just
the absence of it.

there is no heat/cold concept in physics only molecules moving, friction and the subsequent heat…cold do not exist, as it is physically impossible to reach the absolute zero (-273.15°C).

**When Molecules move, the produce energy = heat. That exists. When there is a lack of heat, you have cold. **
Grade 9 science.

(There is pin-drop silence in the lecture theatre.)

**Student **: What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as
darkness?

Prof: Yes. What is night if there isn’t darkness?

**Student **: You’re wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of
something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing
light…But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and it’s called
darkness, isn’t it?In reality, darkness isn’t. If it were you would be able to
make darkness darker, wouldn’t you?
:rolleyes:darkness is the absorption of light, a black hole retains all light beam because the escape speed to black hole attraction is superior to light speed

**Definitions of darkness **

**dark: absence of light or illumination **
**an unilluminated area; “he moved off into the darkness” **
**iniquity: absence of moral or spiritual values; “the powers of darkness” **
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn](Redirect Notice)

**Darkness is the absence of light. As a metaphor, it is also the lack of knowledge (ignorance). It is also associated with mystery and with unknown things. In Western tradition, darkness is also associated with evil, evil entities (such as demons or Satan), and Hell or the underworld (see Dark ages). The love of darkness is called lygophilia. **
Darkness - Wikipedia](Redirect Notice)

The amount of low-frequency, or corresponding lack of high-frequency, components of a sound. Reverberation from distant objects usually has fewer high frequencies and sounds darker than reverb from close objects. The opposite of brightness.
www.dilettantesdictionary.com/index.php](http://www.dilettantesdictionary.com/index.php)

relative darkness in a place that is being screened or blocked off from direct sunlight Part of the room was in shadow.
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Be aware of the Black hole! :rolleyes:

Student : Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?
what is the need when some reasearchers have made experiments to observe evolutoin in their own labs…not everyone has PhD in biology:rolleyes:

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/310/5756/1878

**Did you see the counter argument to the senses? Read the convo again, thats what the student is refferring to. **

**Hez referring to SEEING evolution. That rationally doesn’t exist. **

**So please provide me the skeleton of the HUMANAPE ancestory. That missing link which darwin failed to provide. **

**The theory of evolution was put forward as an imaginary hypothesis in the context of the primitive scientific understanding of the nineteenth century, and to this day it has not been backed up by any scientific discovery or experiment. On the contrary, all the methods employed to confirm the theory have merely proven its invalidity. **
**However, even today many people think that the theory is a proven fact, like the force of gravity or the law of buoyancy. Because, as stated at the beginning, the true nature of the theory of evolution is very different from what is usually supposed. For this reason, some people do not know what rotten foundations this theory has, how it is disproved by science at every turn, and how evolutionists are trying to keep it alive in its death throes. Evolutionists have no other support than unconfirmed hypotheses, biased and unrealistic observations, and imaginary drawings, methods of psychological suggestion, countless falsehoods, and sleight-of-hand techniques. **

**Today, such branches of science as paleontology, genetics, biochemistry, and molecular biology have proven that it is quite impossible for life to come about as a result of chance and to emerge by itself from natural conditions. The living cell, it is commonly agreed by the world of science, is the most complex structure that mankind has so far encountered. Modern science has revealed that just one living cell has a much more complex structure and mutually interconnected complicated systems than a large city. Such a complex structure can only function if all its separate parts emerge at the same time and in full working order. Otherwise, it will serve no purpose, and will fall apart over time and disappear. We cannot expect that its parts developed by chance over millions of years as claimed by the theory of evolution. For that reason, the complex design in just one cell clearly shows that God created life. **
**However, those who defend materialist philosophy do not want to accept the fact of creation for various ideological reasons. That is because the existence and spread of societies living in the light of that beautiful morality that true religion offers to man by means of God’s commands and prohibitions is not in these materialists’ interests. Masses devoid of any spiritual and moral values suit these people far better, since they can manipulate them for their own worldly interests. For this reason, they try to impose the theory of evolution, which encourages the lie that mankind was not created but rather emerged by chance and evolved from animals, and to keep it alive at whatever costs. Despite all the clear scientific proof that destroys the theory of evolution and confirms the fact of creation, they abandon all reason and logic and defend this nonsense at every available opportunity. **
**It has actually been proved that it is impossible for the first living cell, or even just one of the millions of protein molecules in that cell, to have come about by chance. This has been demonstrated not only by experiments and observations, but also by mathematical calculations of probability. In other words, evolution collapses at the very first step: that of explaining the emergence of the first living cell. **
**Not only could the cell, the smallest unit of life, never have come about by chance in the primitive and uncontrolled conditions in the early days of the Earth, as evolutionists would have us believe, it cannot even be synthesized in the most advanced laboratories of the twentieth century. Amino acids, the building blocks of the proteins that make up the living cell, cannot of themselves build such organelles in the cell as mitochondria, ribosomes, cell membranes, or the endoplasmic reticulum, let alone a whole cell. For this reason, the claim that evolution brought about the first cell by chance remains the product of a fantasy based entirely on imagination. **
The living cell, which still harbours many secrets that have not been explained, is one of the major difficulties facing the theory of evolution.

http://www.harunyahya.com/articles/20questions02.php#q1
(The Professor shakes his head with a smile, beginning to realize where
the argument is going.)

**Student **: Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at
work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going
endeavour, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a
preacher?

(The class is in uproar.) **false: read that: **http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/310/5756/1878

**False: Read this **
http://www.harunyahya.com/articles/20questions02.php#q1

Student : Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the
Professor’s brain?

(The class breaks out into laughter.)

Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor’s
brain, felt it, touched or smelt it?..No one appears to have done so.
So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable,
demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?

(The room is silent. The professor stares at the student, his face
unfathomable.)
does any of them know about scanners??:cb: it can show the brain and proves its existence very easily:D…

**Again, please refer to his counter argument to the senses. OF TOUCHING, EATING, HEARING, SENSING, his brains. **

**Like he said about God. **

Prof: I guess you’ll have to take them on faith, son. what a stupid prof :rolleyes:

not the only one stupid

**Student **: That is it sir.. The link between man & god is FAITH.

[waqi06]

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**IN REPRISAL TO PARISENOOR'S POST

P.S.- I know, some of it might not make sense, but I thought I should give it a shot :D
**
An atheist professor of philosophy speaks to his class on the problem
science has with God, The Almighty.

He asks one of his new Muslim students to stand and.....

Professor: You are a Muslim, aren't you, son?

*Student *: Yes, sir.

Prof: So you believe in God?

Student : Absolutely, sir.

Prof: Is God good?

*Student *: Sure.

Prof: Is God all-powerful?

Student : Yes.

Prof: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to God to heal
him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But God
didn't. How is this God good then? Hmm?

Yes, God is good. He let his brother die a much less terrible death than most people, and his dying of such a disease would only help him ensure a good place in Jannat later on. If God had let him live longer, maybe the profs brother would have indulged himself in more evildoings, and therefore, God saved him from comitting more crimes in life and reducing his chance of ending up in Hell rather than Heaven, only God knows best.

(Student is silent.)

Prof: You can't answer, can you? Let's start again, young fella. Is God
good?

*Student *:Yes.

Prof: Is Satan good?

Student : No.

Prof: Where does Satan come from?

*Student *: From...God...

Prof: That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?

*Student *: Yes.

Prof: Evil is everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything.
Correct?

Student : Yes.

Prof: So who created evil?
God created evil. If there was no evil, what would be our purpose in life? I would like to point at Saint Augustine, the great philosopher who merged philosophy and religion for the first time. "Since everything God creates is good, and since God has created evil, evil itself is good" and he goes on, "there is nothing like evil, there is just a lack of good, therefore, God did not really create evil, but a lack of good." If God had not created evil, what would be our purpose in life? We are here to confront the test laid upon us from God, which he has done by creating evil.

(Student does not answer.)

Prof: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness?
All these terrible things exist in the world, don't they?

Student :Yes, sir.

Prof: So, who created them?
God created setbacks to recognize those who will love him even if he deprives them of things they want or beauty they can't control. God has set a test for us all, and we can only consider ourselves deserving of this life if the test presented to us has challenges we can overcome, and feel good about it later on. And even science has proven that when one of your senses is weak, your other senses tend to become stronger, so if God has deprived you of something, He has given you the strength to overcome it through another.

(Student has no answer.)

Prof: Science says you have 5 senses you use to identify and observe
the world around you. Tell me, son...Have you ever seen God?

Student: No, sir.
I see him in the text of the Quran

Prof: Tell us if you have ever heard your God?

Student **: No , sir.
**I hear him everytime I hear the athan, or I hear the recitation of the Quran.

Prof: Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God, smelt your God?
Have you ever had any sensory perception of God for that matter?

Student : No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.
**I feel him when I kneel down to pray, I taste him when I read Bismillah before eating food, I smell him when I say subhanAllah to the smell of roses of GULAB-E-ARAG.

''The saying of (all true) believers when they are called to Allah and His messenger to judge between them is that they say: 'We hear and we obey'.
And such are the successful.**

Prof: Yet you still believe in Him?

*Student *: Yes.

Prof: According to empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science
says your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?

*Student *: Nothing. I only have my faith.
Science

Prof: Yes. Faith. And that is the problem science has.
*God gave us the ability to think for a reason. Science is one of them, but there are far more things that God knows, than science will ever know. Your science itself states that we are not even an atom in the universe, how can we make a judgement about someone as powerful as God, how can we, being dust particles floating in an ocean called the 'universe' (by science), make judgements about He who created the Universe. Its like an ant comming up with a cure to AIDS and then believing that it knows everything about the Earth. Can your science say thats possible? *

[fghd]

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I saw HIM in the Clouds all writtten

[Crescent]

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^ waqi and Emm

[waqi06]

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:D

[waqi06]

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**ok emm, NAIK -TIME is over…lets go back to EVIL-MODE, or else i’m gonna overheat **

[fghd]

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wats so funnyyy cressiii

waqi u know in ur replies u have more EVIL EVIL EVIL i am so touched

[Crescent]

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^ :D