Interesting Book

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(I am sorry but I could not find forum for discussion on history)

PAKISTAN OR THE PARTITION OF INDIA

By Dr. B.R. Ambedkar

http://www.ambedkar.org/pakistan/pakistan.pdf

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Re: Interesting Book

this is fantastic, i was hoping to read about the intellectual history of our region and finally this is, this is very good information for each one of us to understand the truth and look for the future.

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**Right …here is excerpt from this Book:

In the first place, Hindu religion is not a proselytising religion. Maulana Mahomed Ali was quite
right when, in the course of his address as President of the Congress, he said:

**" Now, this has been my complaint for a long lime against Hinduism, and on one occasion,
lecturing at Allahabad in 1907,I had pointed out the contrast between Musalmans and Hindus, by
saying that the worst that can be said of a Muslim was that he had a tasteless mess which he called
a dish fit for kings, and wanted all to share it with him, thrusting it down the throats of such as did
not relish it and would rather not have it, while his Hindu brother, who prided himself on his

  • cookery, retired into the privacy of his kitchen and greedily devoured all that he had cooked,
    without permitting even the shadow of his brother to fall on his food, or sparing even a crumb for
    him. This was said not altogether in levity; and in fact, I once asked Mahatma Gandhi to justify this
    feature of his faith to me. "
    What answer the Mahatma gave to his question, Mr. Mahmed Ali did not disclose. The fact is that
    however much the Hindus may wish, Hindu religion cannot become a missionary religion like
    Islam or Christianity. It is not that the Hindu religion was never a missionary **religion. On the
    contrary, it was once a missionary religion—indeed could not but have been a missionary religion,
    otherwise it is difficult to explain how, it could have spread over an area so vast as the Indian
    continent. 2[f.2] But once a missionary religion, Hinduism perforce ceased to be a missionary
    religion after the time when the Hindu society developed its system of castes. For, caste is
    incompatible with conversion. To be able to convert a stranger to its religion, it is not enough for a
    community to offer its creed. It must be in a position to admit the convert to its social life and to
    absorb and assimilate him among its kindred. It is not possible for the Hindu **society to satisfy this
    prerequisite of effective conversion. There is nothing to prevent a Hindu, with a missionary zeal, to
    proceed to convert an alien to the Hindu faith. But before he converts the alien, he is bound to be
    confronted with the question: What is to be the caste of the convert ? According to the Hindus, for a
    person to belong to a caste he **must be born in it.

The Author of this Book is suggesting CONVERTING all the Mountain Tribes of Afghanistan to Hinduism…:smiley:

***So this guy “Ambedkar” does not know the name of Mountains where these people live…“HINDUKUSH”…****:sahar02:

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Please read again…

He is suggesting that the stance of Hindu extremists that India should be purified (shudhhi) of non-muslims by their conversion to Hinduism is not practical since you cannot really convert into Hinduism with caste system.

And “this guy” “Ambedkar” is one of the most respected intellectuals for all in India (Muslims, Hindus and Budhs).

And further for your information:

In the Persian language of the Sassanian period, Hindu referred to the inhabitants of the area around and beyond the Indus River, or Hind - the people who were followers of Hinduism. The name is also said to be a corruption of Hindu Koh, from the (modern) Persian word Kuh, meaning mountain. James Rennell, writing in 1793, referred to the range as the “Hindoo-Kho or Hindoo-Kush”[4]](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindukush#cite_note-3).

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i believe this is no place to talk about religion

Historically you have to understand this south asian region which includes Pakistani region was invaded by mugals (Muslim Kings) about a thousand years back from further west from central Asia, then in early and mid 11 to 15th century Europe invaded south asia through trade, before all this invasions south asian region was primarily a Hindu populated region, during the mugal invasion a lot of Hindus got converted into Muslims and during the subsequent European invasion few more of these people got converted to Christians, one has to know that because of the cast system among Hindus most of the people who got converted to Muslims and Christians where dalit Hindus as Ambethkar says them as lower cast pepole, because dalits were marginalized among Hindus.

one more thing the answer to the question that was was asked to Gandhi is , in
Hindu religion there was nothing written about eating together are being said about it, it is generally understood about sharing with each other, it was not emphasized in religious writing because it is not need to be, generally good people share and bad ones don't share it is a universal knowledge.

Ambetkar is supposedly a dalit or low cast Hindu who is from south India and he is the father of Indian contitution.

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And you go on talk about it throughout your post :)

The question asked to Gandhi was in a light mood.... :) Just giving an example that the deepest social differences between Hindus and Muslims in India are really trivial.

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Re: Interesting Book

Omairhr

job of an intellectual is to open up for every one to see, what i have written above is an intellectual property man, if there is something about religion it is for the intellectualed to take it moderately man, because i am giving a simple fact, i know my history, if you are a German there is nothing wrong in knowing about, that your fathers killed mass of innocent people, by knowing that you can work to change the wrong,

regarding the second part, it is for the quoted writer,
bare with me i will mend with you, i did not read that exact Gandhi part, it was an general explanation.

You also got to read the last line man that is the most important thing, the good ending of the story,

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I cannot understand what you write MAN!

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Re: Interesting Book

Omairhr

it is good to know you around here, i am very much interested in knowing the true history even if it is against my know how (knowledge).

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History is always written by the winner. So, we might never get to know the true history.