Assalam Aleekum
please, post Quranic Ayats relevant to this topic.
and and your opinion about this topic.
i will post a few Ayats too.
Jazak Allah
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And do not call besides Allah on that which can neither benefit you nor harm you, for if you do then surely you will in that case be of the unjust.
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And Allah's are the best names, therefore call on Him thereby, and leave alone those who violate the sanctity of His names; they shall be recompensed for what they did.
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And when My servants ask you concerning Me, then surely I am very near; I answer the prayer of the suppliant when he calls on Me, so they should answer My call and believe in Me that they may walk in the right way.
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So know that there is no god but Allah, and, ask protection for your fault and for the believing men and the believing women; and Allah knows the place of your returning and the place of your abiding
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YUSUFALI: Say: "To Allah belongs exclusively (the right to grant) intercession: to Him belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth: In the End, it is to Him that ye shall be brought back."
PICKTHAL: Say: Unto Allah belongeth all intercession. His is the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth. And afterward unto Him ye will be brought back.
SHAKIR: Say: Allah's is the intercession altogether; His is the kingdom of the heavens and the earth, then to Him you shall be brought back.
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YUSUFALI: Say: "I am but a man like yourselves, (but) the inspiration has come to me, that your Allah is one Allah: whoever expects to meet his Lord, let him work righteousness, and, in the worship of his Lord, admit no one as partner.
PICKTHAL: Say: I am only a mortal like you. My Lord inspireth in me that your Allah is only One Allah. And whoever hopeth for the meeting with his Lord, let him do righteous work, and make none sharer of the worship due unto his Lord.
SHAKIR: Say: I am only a mortal like you; it is revealed to me that your god is one Allah, therefore whoever hopes to meet his Lord, he should do good deeds, and not join any one in the service of his Lord.
Jazak’Allah Khair :k:
The Correct Understanding of Waseelah
“Seek the means of approach (al-Waseelah) to Him (Allah).” (Soorah al-Maidah (5): 35)
Meaning of al-Waseelah
Waseelah is nearness and the means by which one approaches and draws near to something. In the Islamic context, Waseelah refers to the means by which once can achieve nearness with Allah. Another meaning of al-Waseelah is a rank and standing with Allah, as is the Hadeeth. The Messenger of Allah (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) said: “When you hear the caller to prayer then say the like of what he says, then send blessings upon me… Then ask Allah to grant me al-Waseelah because it is a station in Paradise, which is appropriate only for a single servant from the servants of Allah, and I hope that it will be me." (Saheeh Muslim vol.1, no.747)
The Meaning of al-Waseelah as explained in the Qur’aan
The definition of Waseelah, “it is the means by which one achieves nearness to Allah”, has its basis in the Qur’aan. “Those whom you call upon desire (for themselves) means of access (al-Waseelah) to their Lord (Allah), as to which of them should be nearest and they hope for His Mercy and fear His Torment. Verily, the Torment of your Lord is something to be afraid of!" (Saheeh Muslim vol.1, no.747)
Abdullah Ibn Mas’oud (radhi allahu anhu) said: “This verse was revealed concerning a group of Arabs, who worshiped a group of Jinn. The Jinn accepted Islam which was unknown to those people who worshiped them.” (Saheeh al-Bukharee v.6, no.238 and Saheeh Muslim) Al-Hafidh Ibn Hajr (rahimahullah) said: “The people who used to worship the Jinn continued to worship the Jinn, and the Jinn were not pleased with their worship, since they had accepted Islam. And they were the ones who sought a means of nearness to their Lord…” (Fath al-Baree 10/12 and 13)
Allah says in the Qur’aan: “O you who believe! Do your duty to Allah and fear Him. Seek the means of approach (al-Waseelah) to Him, and strive hard in His Cause as much as you can. So that you may be successful.” (Soorah al-Maidah (5): 35)
Al-Hafidh Ibn Katheer (rahimahullah) reported Ibn Abbas (radhi allahu anhu) saying in his commentary of this verse: “The meaning of al-Waseelah is to draw closer.” He also reports from Qatadah: “This is that you draw near to Him by obedience to Him and through actions that are pleasing to Him.” And Ibn Katheer (rahimahullah) said: “And with regard to what those Imams (Ibn Abbas and Qatadah) said there is no disagreement between the scholars of Tafseer about it… al-Waseelah is that by means of which one reaches that which he desires.” (Tafseer Ibn Katheer)
These two verses and their authentic Tafseers (commentaries) clearly explain that Waseelah consists of seeking nearness to Allah by means of righteousness in order to get closer to Allah.
This refutes any other explanation of Waseelah like that of those who consider Waseelah to mean directly supplicating to the dead saints. It refutes the erroneous belief held by the Sufis of seeking ‘Tawassul’ through the status and honor of the Prophets and saints.
Tawassul in the Qur’aan and the Sunnah
The correct means of Tawassul are three…
- Tawassul by means of Allah’s Beautiful Names,
- Tawassul by means of righteous deeds of the supplicant and,
- Tawassul by means of a supplication made by a righteous person.
(1) Tawassul by means of Allah’s Beautiful Names
Allah says: “And to Allah belongs all the beautiful Names, so call upon Him by them." (Soorah al-A’raf (7): 180)
Tawassul by means of Allah’s Beautiful Names is to invoke Allah mentioning His Beautiful Names, like saying, “O Allah, I ask you for You being the Most Merciful, the Bestower of Mercy, the Most Gracious, the All-Knower that You grant me safety and well being…” This form of Tawassul is known from numerous Ahaadeeth.
The Messenger of Allah (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) would say before giving salaam in his prayer: “O Allah! By Your Knowledge of the hidden and Unseen, and Your Power over the creation, grant me life for as long as You Know that life is good for me, and grant me death when death is good for me…" (Saheeh) al-Haakim, an-Nisa’ee and others.]
Once, the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) saw a man saying in his Tashahhud: ‘I ask You by virtue of the fact that all praise belongs to You, none has the right to be worshiped but You Alone, having no partner. The Great Bestower of all blessings, O Originator of the Heavens and the Earth. O Possessor of Majesty and Honor, O Ever-Living, O Sustainer and Protector of all that exists. Indeed, I ask You for Paradise, and I seek Your Refuge from the Fire.” So the Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) said to his companions: “Do you know what he has supplicated with?” They said: “Allah and His Messenger (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) know best.” He said: “By Him in Whose Hand is my soul, he has supplicated to Allah by His Great Name, if He is called upon by them, He responds and if He is asked by it, He gives.” (Abu Dawood, An-Nisa’ee, Musnad Ahmad and others)
Anas (radhi allahu anhu) reported saying, when a matter grieved the Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam), he would say: “O Ever-Living, O Sustainer and Protector of all that exists, by Your Mercy I beg of Your aid.” ((Hasan) At-Tirmidhee and al-Haakim)
(2)Tawassul by means of Righteous deeds of the Supplicant
“Those who say: ‘Our Lord! We have Indeed, believed, so forgive us our sins and save us from the punishment of the Fire’” (Soorah aali-Imraan (3): 6)
Tawassul by means of righteous deeds is to invoke Allah by mentioning one’s righteous actions, in which he feared Allah and hoped for His Mercy and reward, while giving precedence to His obedience. Like saying,
“Our Lord! We have believed in what You have sent down, and we follow the Messenger; so write us down among those who bear witness (to the truth i.e. none has the right to be worshiped except Allah).” (Soorah al-Imraan (3): 53)
“Our Lord! Verily, we have heard the call of one (Muhammad (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam)) calling to Faith; ‘Believe in your Lord,’ and we have believed. Our Lord! Forgive us our sins and remit from us our evil deeds, and make us die in the state of righteousness along with Al-Abraar (those who are obedient to Allah and strictly follow His orders).” (Soorah al-Imraan (3): 193 and others in the Qur’aan like: Soorah aali-Imraan)
This form of Tawassul is also mentioned in a number of Ahaadeeth of Allah’s Messenger (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam). From amongst them is the famous story of the companions of the cave. The Messenger of Allah (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) mentioned the story of three men who spent a night in a cave. A boulder rolled down from the mountain and blocked the entrance of the cave. So, they supplicated to Allah by means of their righteous actions. One of them mentioned his obedience towards his elderly parents, the other mentioned an incident when he refrained from zina (adultery) despite having the means to do so, and the third mentioned an incident in which he was truthful and honest in a monetary matter. Allah, the Exalted, upon hearing their supplication moved the rock from the entrance of the cave. (Saheeh al-Bukharee vol.3, no.472)
(3) Tawassul by means of a Supplication made by a Righteous Person
This third type of Tawassul is to ask any righteous living person to make Du’aa (supplication) for oneself.
Anas (radhi allahu anhu) reported saying: “The people were afflicted with drought in the time of the Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam), so whilst the Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) was giving the Khutbah (sermon) on the day of Jumuah, a Bedouin stood and said: “O Messenger of Allah (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam)! The livestock are dying and the children are hungry, so supplicate to Allah for us.” So he (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) raised his hands and supplicated and we could not see any trace of clouds. By Him, in Whose Hands is my soul, as soon as he had lowered his hands, clouds like mountains had gathered, and he did not descend from his minbar (pulpit) until I saw rain dripping from his beard…” (Saheeh al-Bukharee)
Tawassul by means of a Supplication made by a Righteous Person is also reported from the practice of the Sahabah (radhi allahu anhu). Anas Ibn Malik (radhi allahu anhu) narrates from Umar Ibn Khattab (radhi allahu anhu) that when the people suffered from drought he used to ask al-Abbas Ibn Mutallib (radhi allahu anhu) to pray for rain for them. He used to say: “O Allah we used to request our Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) to supplicate to You for rain, and You would bless us with rain. Now, we ask the uncle of our Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) to supplicate to You, so grant us rain.” (Saheeh al-Bukharee)
Also the noble Tabi’e, Sulaym Ibn Aamir al-Khabairee, reported: “The sky withheld any rain, so Muawiyah Ibn Abee Sufyan and the people of Damascus went out to pray for rain. When Muawiyah sat upon the minbar he said: “O Allah! We are today asking the best and most noble amongst us to supplicate to You for us, O Allah, today we put Yazeed Ibn al-Aswad al-Jurashee forward to supplicate to You for us.” Then Yazeed raised his hands and so did the people, and it rained until people could hardly reach their houses. [Reported by al-Hafidh Ibn Asaakir in his Tareekh (18/151/1)].
Apart from these three correct manners of Tawassul, there is no authentic proof for any other form of Tawassul in the Qur’aan or the Sunnah.
Since you have initiated a thread here, i thought i should post the reply of other thread here. i hope the Admin and you dont mind.
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Dear Brother Rehman1:
Its really a nice discussion with you. May Allah reward you in this. because of you lots of people are learning much.
Your one paragraph conflicts with the other paragraph. The way you wrote shows that you simply oppose the opinions of others following your personal thoughts without any in-depth knowledge. You learnt few things which do not fulfill the requirement.
In the first paragraph you wrote:
“This Surah talks about Prophet Muhammads(SAW) Waseela.”
It means if we say “Ya Rasool Allah Madad” it would be okay as per your saying in the first paragraph. As Ahle Sunnah wal Jamat use to say.
And in the second paragraph you wrote:
(seek the Wasilah to Him.) Wasilah means `the means of approach'. Ayah means, "Seek the means of approach to Him by obeying Him and performing the acts that please Him.''
Which means the Holy Prophet Muhammad is not a Waseela but your deeds are your Waseela. Your deeds should be good to please Allah.
The Ayah referred as follows:
"O you who believe ! Be mindful of your Duty to Allah, and seek a way to approach him"
**Yousaf:
O ye who believe! Do your duty to Allah, seek the means of approach unto Him, and strive with might and main in his cause: that ye may prosper. [5:35]
Shakir
O you who believe! be careful of (your duty to) Allah and seek means of nearness to Him and strive hard in His way that you may be successful. [5:35]
DrMohsin
O you who believe! Do your duty to Allâh and fear Him. Seek the means of approach to Him, and strive hard in His Cause as much as you can. So that you may be successful. [5:35]**
In this Ayah Allah ordered us 2 things to do
(1) Be Mindful of your duty to Allah.
(2) Seek a way to approach him
You merged the meaning of first part of Ayah with the other; in the first part “be mindful of your duty to Allah” it is said to “obeying Him and performing the acts that please Him” this explanation of for the first part.
And for the second part “Seek a way to approach him”. You simply ignored it, because it was against your Aqqeed.
How courageously you write things and don’t understand the meaning of those things even. You wrote:
He (ALLAH) suggesting that recite Durood Shareef and follow Koran and Sunnah.
You simple answer me that do you think that following Koran and Sunnah is a small thing that you are taking it as a single act.
Brother! It is a huge subject which covers the whole life of a Mooomin from his birth to his death. It includes everything from dealing with the people in socity and how to Worship the Almighty Allah. Waseela is one of the topics in this enormous study of Quran and Sunnah. So please don’t give these kinds of suggestions to people considering that they don’t follow Quran and Sunnah.
Before I continue mentioning ahadith regarding tawassul toward or from the prophets, it would be best to first mention Quranic verses that legitimize tawassul.
“Whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is His; who is he that can intercede with Him but by his permission” (2:255); “Surely your Lord is Allah who created the heavens and the earth in six periods, and He is firmly established on the throne, regulating the affair; there is no intercessor except after His Permission.”
Notice the words “but” and “except” in the above mentioned verses. These verses do not condemn the presence of an intercessor; they just put a condition for the fact of intercession. So far we are establishing the fact that intercession is not something condemned in Islam, rather it is something accepted highly by Islam. There are many more verses in the same context that explain the legitimacy of tawassul.
You asked me: What about when Prophet Adam used tawassul to Prophet Muhammad.
The Abbasid caliph, Mansur al-Dawaniqi, once asked Imam Malik ibn Anas whether he should turn towards the grave of the Prophet (s) or face the Qiblah for supplication? Malik answered him:
Why do you want to turn away from the Prophet (s) when he (Prophet Muhammad (s)) is the wasilah (means) for you and for your father Adam, towards Allah on the Day of Resurrection. Turn to him (the Prophet) and seek his intercession (shafa'at).
[Taken from Al-Mughni ma' al-Sharh, vol. 3, p. 588; al-Sharh al-Kabir ma' al-Mughni, vol. 3, p. 494; al-Qadi `Iyad in al-Shifa (2:92-93)
In this regard we shall cite two narrations from Tafseer Durre Manthur, by Imam of Ahl'ul Sunnah al Hafidh Jaladeen Suyuti:
"Hadhrath 'Ali narrates that he asked Rasulullah 'Which words did Allah (swt) teach Adam. He (swt) replied 'O Allah I seek repentance through Muhammad and his family".
"Ibn al Najjar narrates that Ibn Abbas asked Rasulullah (s) in connection with the above matter, and Rasul (s) stated, Adam send "Through Muhammad, 'Ali, Fatima, Hasan and Husayn, please accept my repentance. Allah (swt) then accepted his repentance".
This supplication can be located in the following texts of leading Hanafi scholars:
• Ashraf Ali Thanvi in his Sharh Ahfaq “Taleem al Deen” page 171 (Dar al Ishat Publishers, Karachi.
• Maulana Haji Imdadallah Muhajr Makki in “Irshad Murshid page 13 published by Ashrafeeya Deobandia Publishers).
• Maulana Husayn Ahmad Madani in “Silasil Tayibba” page 14 (Published by Dar al Islameeya, Anarkali, Lahore)
All three scholars have deemed it permissible to seek help via Imam ‘Ali (as) due to his position as a Hadi (Guide), to the point that all three have recorded the following supplication in their books:
“O remove ignorance from us, and enlighten us with realities and knowledge, through ‘Ali, your true Guide of Knowledge”.
Qadhi Thana’ullah Panee Pathee is a classical Hanafi scholar, who wrote on a vast array of topics including Fiqh, philosophy and tawassaf. His most recognized / authority work is Tafseer Mazhari. In his commentary of Surah Aal-e-Imran Volume 2 page 140, he records the following supplication:
“The heart and center of guidance towards miracles is Hadhrath ‘Ali (may Allah enlighten his face). Amongst the Ummah, both past and present no one can attain the station of Wilayath without the assistance of ‘Ali’s soul, this station can only be claimed by the Imams, the sons of ‘Ali through to Hasan al Askari”
Tafseer Mazhari Chapter Aal-e-Imran, Volume 2 page 140).
Now our question is simple were Imam Maliks, Ghazzali, Nawawi, Thanvi, Thana’ullua, not Sunni Muslims? No doubt they were they were leading Sunni Muslims and in fact Imams of Fiqh who endorsed the practice of tawassal.
If you don’t believe in tawassal that does not mean that the one billion Muslims around the world ascribe to those views.
Late leader of Sipaa-e-Sahaba-Pakistan Zia-ur-Rehman Faruqi as part of his efforts against Shias produced a book "Gustakh ai Sahaba ki Sharh Saza" (The punishment for those that disrespect the Sahaba). He also takes the opportunity to set out the virtues of the Sahaba including this wonderful reference:
**"When Hadhrath Nuh would construct some parts of the Ark, at night would fall to the ground and complain before Allah (swt). Allah (swt) told him to "recite the names of those that I have created". Nuh (as) asked "Who are they?". Allah (swt) said "My Prophet Muhammad and his companions Abu, Umar, Uthman and 'Ali".
Taken from "Gustakh ai Sahaba ki Sharh Saza" page 11, Publishers Dar ul Ishat al Ma'arif Faislabad]**
Whilst we certainly reject this tradition we have presented it to answer those who oppose tawassal and accuse the Shi'a of believing their Imams.
I hope this would be enough for you at this time.
Dear Brother Rehman1:
Its really a nice discussion with you. May Allah reward you in this. because of you lots of people are learning much.
Your one paragraph conflicts with the other paragraph. The way you wrote shows that you simply oppose the opinions of others following your personal thoughts without any in-depth knowledge. You learnt few things which do not fulfill the requirement.
ANSWER:Please read the above AYATS and the post by DHULIFIKAR
to get a better idea of what the WORD waseela means.
It certainly doesn't mean asking help from dead people for
helping us in this world.
In the first paragraph you wrote:
“This Surah talks about Prophet Muhammads(SAW) Waseela.”
It means if we say “Ya Rasool Allah Madad” it would be okay as per your saying in the first paragraph. As Ahle Sunnah wal Jamat use to say.
ANSWER)NO WAY. YA sirf ALLAH ke leye. If it used for Muhammad(SAW)
or ALI(RA) ist SHIRK. you just cannot say ALI(RA) mushkil kusha.
And in the second paragraph you wrote:
(seek the Wasilah to Him.) Wasilah means `the means of approach'. Ayah means, "Seek the means of approach to Him by obeying Him and performing the acts that please Him.''
Which means the Holy Prophet Muhammad is not a Waseela but your deeds are your Waseela. Your deeds should be good to please Allah.
The Ayah referred as follows:
"O you who believe ! Be mindful of your Duty to Allah, and seek a way to approach him"
**Yousaf:
O ye who believe! Do your duty to Allah, seek the means of approach unto Him, and strive with might and main in his cause: that ye may prosper. [5:35]
Shakir
O you who believe! be careful of (your duty to) Allah and seek means of nearness to Him and strive hard in His way that you may be successful. [5:35]
DrMohsin
O you who believe! Do your duty to Allâh and fear Him. Seek the means of approach to Him, and strive hard in His Cause as much as you can. So that you may be successful. [5:35]**
In this Ayah Allah ordered us 2 things to do
(1) Be Mindful of your duty to Allah.
(2) Seek a way to approach him
You merged the meaning of first part of Ayah with the other; in the first part “be mindful of your duty to Allah” it is said to “obeying Him and performing the acts that please Him” this explanation of for the first part.
And for the second part “Seek a way to approach him”. You simply ignored it, because it was against your Aqqeed.
ANSWER) Means to Approach ALLAH(SWT). Call him by his BEST NAMES.
Or as i understand it. In times of distress and happiness Prophet Muhmmad(SAW) use to pray to ALLAH(SAW). So i prefer doing
what Prophet Muhammad(SAW) did. And left his SUNNAH for us.
And he(SAW) was certainly not asking for any IMAMS waseela.
please let us know Koran me IMAMS KA KIDHAR likhaa.
How courageously you write things and don’t understand the meaning of those things even. You wrote:
He (ALLAH) suggesting that recite Durood Shareef and follow Koran and Sunnah.
You simple answer me that do you think that following Koran and Sunnah is a small thing that you are taking it as a single act.
ANSWER: yes, don't make it complicated. Islam is simple.
So called scholars have made it so MUSHKIL. AND YES ONLY ALLAH(SWT) IS MUSHKIL KUSHA NOT ALI(RA).
Brother! It is a huge subject which covers the whole life of a Mooomin from his birth to his death. It includes everything from dealing with the people in socity and how to Worship the Almighty Allah.
ANSWER) When you curse people do you really know how to act in society.
Waseela is one of the topics in this enormous study of Quran and Sunnah. So please don’t give these kinds of suggestions to people considering that they don’t follow Quran and Sunnah.
ANSWER)UHH, why are you talking about SUNNAH. you don't follow it.
Before I continue mentioning ahadith regarding tawassul toward or from the prophets, it would be best to first mention Quranic verses that legitimize tawassul.
“Whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is His; who is he that can intercede with Him but by his permission” (2:255); “Surely your Lord is Allah who created the heavens and the earth in six periods, and He is firmly established on the throne, regulating the affair; there is no intercessor except after His Permission.”
Notice the words “but” and “except” in the above mentioned verses. These verses do not condemn the presence of an intercessor; they just put a condition for the fact of intercession. So far we are establishing the fact that intercession is not something condemned in Islam, rather it is something accepted highly by Islam. There are many more verses in the same context that explain the legitimacy of tawassul.
You asked me: What about when Prophet Adam used tawassul to Prophet Muhammad.
The Abbasid caliph, Mansur al-Dawaniqi, once asked Imam Malik ibn Anas whether he should turn towards the grave of the Prophet (s) or face the Qiblah for supplication? Malik answered him:
Why do you want to turn away from the Prophet (s) when he (Prophet Muhammad (s)) is the wasilah (means) for you and for your father Adam, towards Allah on the Day of Resurrection. Turn to him (the Prophet) and seek his intercession (shafa'at).
[Taken from Al-Mughni ma' al-Sharh, vol. 3, p. 588; al-Sharh al-Kabir ma' al-Mughni, vol. 3, p. 494; al-Qadi `Iyad in al-Shifa (2:92-93)
In this regard we shall cite two narrations from Tafseer Durre Manthur, by Imam of Ahl'ul Sunnah al Hafidh Jaladeen Suyuti:
"Hadhrath 'Ali narrates that he asked Rasulullah 'Which words did Allah (swt) teach Adam. He (swt) replied 'O Allah I seek repentance through Muhammad and his family".
"Ibn al Najjar narrates that Ibn Abbas asked Rasulullah (s) in connection with the above matter, and Rasul (s) stated, Adam send "Through Muhammad, 'Ali, Fatima, Hasan and Husayn, please accept my repentance. Allah (swt) then accepted his repentance".
ANSWER)MAN, when you don't believe in SUNNI SCHOLARS why
you keep quoting them. DOES your shiasm needs the crutches of
daeef hadith. You can try SAHEEH hadith.
This supplication can be located in the following texts of leading Hanafi scholars:
• Ashraf Ali Thanvi in his Sharh Ahfaq “Taleem al Deen” page 171 (Dar al Ishat Publishers, Karachi.
• Maulana Haji Imdadallah Muhajr Makki in “Irshad Murshid page 13 published by Ashrafeeya Deobandia Publishers).
• Maulana Husayn Ahmad Madani in “Silasil Tayibba” page 14 (Published by Dar al Islameeya, Anarkali, Lahore)
All three scholars have deemed it permissible to seek help via Imam ‘Ali (as) due to his position as a Hadi (Guide), to the point that all three have recorded the following supplication in their books:
ANSWER) help regarding WHAT. Muhammad ke baat nakarnaa.
ALLAH ke baat na karnaa. ALI ALI karte rehnaa. kese help.
“O remove ignorance from us, and enlighten us with realities and knowledge, through ‘Ali, your true Guide of Knowledge”.
Qadhi Thana’ullah Panee Pathee is a classical Hanafi scholar, who wrote on a vast array of topics including Fiqh, philosophy and tawassaf. His most recognized / authority work is Tafseer Mazhari. In his commentary of Surah Aal-e-Imran Volume 2 page 140, he records the following supplication:
“The heart and center of guidance towards miracles is Hadhrath ‘Ali (may Allah enlighten his face). Amongst the Ummah, both past and present no one can attain the station of Wilayath without the assistance of ‘Ali’s soul, this station can only be claimed by the Imams, the sons of ‘Ali through to Hasan al Askari”
Tafseer Mazhari Chapter Aal-e-Imran, Volume 2 page 140).
ANSWER) who is ASKARI.
Now our question is simple were Imam Maliks, Ghazzali, Nawawi, Thanvi, Thana’ullua, not Sunni Muslims? No doubt they were they were leading Sunni Muslims and in fact Imams of Fiqh who endorsed the practice of tawassal.
ANSWER) here you go quoting SUNNIS again. ARE you IMAMS too weak
to answer my questions.
If you don’t believe in tawassal that does not mean that the one billion Muslims around the world ascribe to those views.
ANSWER) yes, that's why only few are saved ones.
Late leader of Sipaa-e-Sahaba-Pakistan Zia-ur-Rehman Faruqi as part of his efforts against Shias produced a book "Gustakh ai Sahaba ki Sharh Saza" (The punishment for those that disrespect the Sahaba). He also takes the opportunity to set out the virtues of the Sahaba including this wonderful reference:
answer)wow, this reference is great. now i see where you are
getting valuable info from.
**"When Hadhrath Nuh would construct some parts of the Ark, at night would fall to the ground and complain before Allah (swt). Allah (swt) told him to "recite the names of those that I have created". Nuh (as) asked "Who are they?". Allah (swt) said "My Prophet Muhammad and his companions Abu, Umar, Uthman and 'Ali".
Taken from "Gustakh ai Sahaba ki Sharh Saza" page 11, Publishers Dar ul Ishat al Ma'arif Faislabad]**
Whilst we certainly reject this tradition we have presented it to answer those who oppose tawassal and accuse the Shi'a of believing their Imams.
FOR INUIT:
“Surely, the religion (i.e. the worship and the obedience) is for Allaah only [al-Zumar 39:3]
“Say (O Muhammad): ‘Allaah Alone I worship by doing religious deeds sincerely for His sake only’”[al-Zumar 39:14]
“And whoever disbelieves, let not his disbelief grieve you (O Muhammad). To Us is their return, and We shall inform them what they have done…”[Luqmaan 31:23]
“And of mankind are some who take (for worship) others besides Allaah as rivals (to Allaah). They love them as they love Allaah”[al-Baqarah 2:165]
Worship Allaah and join none with Him (in worship)”
[al-Nisa’ 4:36]
“Verily, Allaah forgives not (the sin of) setting up partners (in worship) with Him, but He forgives whom He wills, sins other than that, and whoever sets up partners in worship with Allaah, has indeed strayed far away”
[al-Nisa’ 4:116]
Praying the funeral (janaazah) prayer at the graveside, which is permissible.
Praying in the graveyard – apart from the funeral (janaazah) prayer – this prayer is invalid and does not count, whether it is an obligatory prayer or a naafil prayer.
Praying towards the graveyard, which is haraam, according to the correct opinion.
conditions attached to intercession:
1 – Permission must be granted by Allaah to the intercessor to intercede.
2 – Allaah must approve of the one for whom intercession is to be made.
The evidence for these two conditions is the verses in which Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And there are many angels in the heavens, whose intercession will avail nothing except after Allaah has given leave for whom He wills and is pleased with”
[al-Najm 53:26]
“and they cannot intercede except for him with whom He is pleased”
[al-Anbiya’ 21:28]
As for the imaginary intercession which the idol-worshippers think their gods perform for them, this is an invalid intercession, for Allaah does not permit intercession unless He is pleased both with the intercessor and those for whom intercession is made.
See al-Qawl al-Mufeed Sharh Kitaab al-Tawheed by Shaykh Muhammad ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him), p. 336-337.
The fact that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and the believers will intercede does not justify asking them to intercede, as some people do when they ask the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) to intercede for them even after his death.
The ISSUE OF SOUL:
The heart and center of guidance towards miracles is Hadhrath ‘Ali (may Allah enlighten his face). Amongst the Ummah, both past and present no one can attain the station of Wilayath without the assistance of ‘Ali’s soul, this station can only be claimed by the Imams, the sons of ‘Ali through to Hasan al Askari”
Tafseer Mazhari Chapter Aal-e-Imran, Volume 2 page 140).
ASTAGFIRULLAH. 3 times.
My answer for INuit:
) Intercession for those who have entered Hell, so that they will be brought forth from it. It was narrated that Abu Sa’eed al-Khudri said: “The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ‘By the One in Whose hand is my soul,
You (Muslims) cannot be more pressing in claiming from me a right that has been clearly proved to be yours than the believers in interceding with the Almighty for their (Muslim) brothers on that Day, when they see themselves safe.
They will say, “O Allah! (Save) our brothers (for they) used to pray with us, fast with us and also do good deeds with us.” Allah will say, “Go and take out (of Hell) everyone whom you recognize.” Allah will forbid the Fire to burn the faces of those sinners. So they will bring forth many people who were in the Fire up to their calves or their knees.” (Narrated by Muslim,269)
Their specious argument is that the awliya’ (“saints”) and Sayyids intercede for their relatives and for those who call on them and take them as friends and love them, and because of that they ask them for intercession. This is exactly what Allaah described the early mushrikeen as doing, when they said,
“These are our intercessors with Allaah”
[Yoonus 10:18 – interpretation of the meaning]
– referring to those whom they worshipped among the angels, righteous people and others, and meaning that they would intercede for them with Allaah. In the same way, the contemporary mushrikoon say “the awliya’ (‘saints’) intercede for us; we cannot ask of Allaah (directly) so we ask them and they ask of Allaah.” And they say that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and all the Prophets and righteous people were given the power of intercession, and we call upon them and say, intercede for us as Allaah has given you the power of intercession. They give the example of kings in this world, and say that the kings of this world can only be approached through intercession; if you need something, you go to their friends and those who are close to them, their ministers, gatekeepers, servants, etc., to intercede for you so that the king can deal with your matter; so we reach Allaah by approaching and asking His awliyaa’ and the Sayyids who are close to Him. By doing this they fall into the same shirk as those who came before them, and they compare the Creator to His creation.
Allaah tells us of a righteous man in Soorat Ya-Seen, who said (interpretation of the meaning):
“ ‘Shall I take besides Him aalihah (gods)? If the Most Gracious (Allaah) intends me any harm, their intercession will be of no use for me whatsoever”
[Ya-Seen 36:23]
And Allaah tells us that the kuffaar will confess it themselves:
“They will say: ‘We were not of those who used to offer the Salaah (prayers),
Nor we used to feed Al‑Miskeen (the poor);
And we used to talk falsehood (all that which Allaah hated) with vain talkers.
And we used to belie the Day of Recompense,
Until there came to us (the death) that is certain’
So no intercession of intercessors will be of any use to them”
[al-Muddaththir 74:43-48 – interpretation of the meaning]
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), even though he will be given the power of intercession on the Day of Resurrection, will not be able to use it until after Allaah has given him permission and has approved of the one for whom intercession is to be made.
Hence he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not let his ummah ask him to intercede for them in this world, and that was not narrated from any one of his Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them). If that had been a good thing, he would have conveyed it to his ummah and called them to do it, and his Companions who were keen to do good would have hastened to do it. Thus we know that seeking intercession from him now (in this world) is a great wrong, because it involves calling upon someone other than Allaah and doing something which is an obstacle to intercession, for intercession is available only to those who sincerely believe in Allaah alone (Tawheed)
The people in the place of standing (on the Day of Resurrection) will only ask the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) to intercede for them so that judgement will be passed, because he will be there with them and because he will be able to turn to his Lord and ask Him. This is like asking a person who is alive and present to do make du’aa’ for one, which is something that he is able to do.
Hence it is not narrated that any of the people in the place of standing will ask him (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) to intercede for them that their sins might be forgiven.
Those who ask him for intercession now, based on the fact that it will be permissible to ask him for that in the Hereafter, if their claims were justified, would have to limit what they say to, “O Messenger of Allaah, intercede for us that judgement may be passed”! But they do something other than that. They do not limit it to a request for intercession, rather they ask the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) – and others – to relieve their distress and send down mercy; they turn to him at times of calamity; they pray to him on land and sea, at times of ease and times of difficulty, ignoring the words of Allaah (interpretation of the meaning):
“Is not He (better than your gods) Who responds to the distressed one, when he calls on Him, and Who removes the evil, and makes you inheritors of the earth, generations after generations?”
[al-Naml 27:62]
From the above it is clear to every fair-minded person that the correct kind of intercession is intercession that depends on the permission and approval of Allaah, because all intercession belongs to Him. That also includes asking for intercession from living people who are able to do that concerning worldly matters, for which Allaah has granted permission. It should be pointed out here that this kind of intercession is permitted because Allaah has given permission for it, since it involves no kind of emotional attachment to the person, rather the point is that it is a means, like all other means which Islam permits us to use. The kind of intercession which is forbidden is asking someone other than Allaah to do something that no one is able to do except Allaah, because intercession belongs to no one besides Allaah, and no one can do it unless Allaah grants him leave and approves of him. So whoever seeks intercession from anyone else has transgressed upon the exclusive preserve of Allaah and has wronged himself, and has exposed himself to being deprived of the intercession of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) on the Day of Resurrection. We ask Allaah to keep us safe and sound, and we ask Him to cause our Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) to intercede for us … Ameen.
For more information see al-Shafaa’ah ‘inda Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah by Shaykh Naasir al-Juday’; al-Qawl al-Mufeed by Shaykh Muhammad ibn ‘Uthaymeen, 1/423; A’laam al-Sunnah al-Manshoorah, 144
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*I am posting my relpy to the following message posted by Brother Rehman1;
I suggest readers to read my post in the thread before reading his reply. *
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*Originally posted by rehman1: *
ANSWER) When you curse people do you really know how to act in society.
ANSWER) UHH, why are you talking about SUNNAH. you don't follow it.
ANSWER) MAN, when you don't believe in SUNNI SCHOLARS why you keep quoting them. DOES your shiasm needs the crutches of daeef hadith.
ANSWER) help regarding WHAT. Muhammad ke baat nakarnaa. ALLAH ke baat na karnaa. ALI ALI karte rehnaa. kese help.
ANSWER) who is ASKARI.
ANSWER) here you go quoting SUNNIS again. ARE you IMAMS too weak to answer my questions.
answer)wow, this reference is great. now i see where you are getting valuable info from.
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Rehman1: Fear Allah
We must have to understand the method of discussion, which is in practice since long.
When two people from different sects do discussion on a certain topic. It is a defined rule they always give references from the each other’s books. I always tried that and hope that you will at least accept the reference. This is the simplest way in which I can tell you.
It looked really very strange to me when I read reply from your side. A healthy discussion is only possible when both persons at least understand the basic rules of discussion. Cursing the opponent to start the war of words is really best tactics for those who see themselves defeated and fined themselves weak in their opinion. They simply don’t have strongly based religion.
Note: Compile a single message in Ms Word and post it as a single message. That makes easy for people to read and understand. Simply copying and pasting does not proves the authenticity of your opinion.
I Hope you will understand the above message and reply in a decent way. Thanks
Wasalam,
Intuit just answer the questions. I have not cursed anybody.
Why don't you tell me WHAT intercession mean.
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